The next 10 all Irelands

[tiempo]

Ulster GAA provincial secretary and CEO Brian McAvoy has said that there are "significant weaknesses" in the idea of a league-based All-Ireland Football Championship.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1250023/?

Yeh he's not going to say anything else is he, and the suits will try to whip their subordinates into line

"Who would vote for a system that allows a team that is relegated to get promoted? It makes no sense. The team that should have been promoted doesn't get promoted so there is an inherent weakness there."

What like finishing bottom of intermediate club league and winning the intermediate club champ in the same year? Junior one minute, Senior the next.

Part and parcel of potential outcomes, there is no perfect system but the league based champ is a shot at a more balanced structure.

Provincial councils won't go for it though, the Provincial champs are what make them relevant and more importantly (for PC's at least) keep the coffers filled

[Rossfan]

Proposal A with  artificial "Provinces" won't have the €€€€s flowing either...Leitrim v Antrim or Wexford v London in the "Connacht" Championship.
Kerry will still have a stroll with Carlow and Wicklow added to the Munster 6.

[From the Bunker]

Proposal A with  artificial "Provinces" won't have the €€€€s flowing either...Leitrim v Antrim or Wexford v London in the "Connacht" Championship.
Kerry will still have a stroll with Carlow and Wicklow added to the Munster 6.

If you had Longford or Westmeath in Connacht, then there would be a definite rivalry v Roscommon.

[Rossfan]

It wouldn't be Connacht then!

[Derry Optimist]

As Rossfan so accurately states Proposal A for the new football championship structures IS A DEFINITE non runner for purely realistic and practical reasons. 

If Proposal B does not get at least 60 per cent of the Congress vote on October 23rd we will be left with a return  basically to the Super 8 system which  caters only for the top eight teams in the country.

No system outside the total implementation of a  three category system based on separate Senior,Intermediate and Junior championship as per the County Club Championships in most counties can be completely fair or equitable.That however is not on the table.


Therefore Proposal B, PROVIDED  the Tailteann Cup is marketed properly and played in tandem with the Sam Maguire Cup series up to and including All Ireland final weekend, is by far the fairest proposal to treat ALL of our players in  ALL 32 counties in a fair manner.After all at present every county trains as hard as the Dublins,Mayos,Tyrones and Kerrys of this world.

The delegates to the Special Congress must vote accordingly so that every county has a reasonable chance of some silverware.Proposal B CATERS FOR THAT EVENTUALITY.   

[Rossfan]

Not a great option but about best on offer.
I'd tweak it to
Top 4 D1 go to Qtr Finals
Teams 5 and 6 D1, 1 to 4 D2 and top of D3 and D4 (8 teams) play a Prelim Round.
Tailteann to consist of teams 2 to 6 D3 and 2 to 4 D4.

My suggestion of an All Ireland weekend with Minor, u 20 and Tailteann/B finals as a triple header on the Saturday obviously not taken on board as I see it's proposed to stick the u20 back to the sh1t and muck again despite it's being such a festival of great football this year when played in Sumner.

[From the Bunker]

It wouldn't be Connacht then!

Of course it would not be Connacht in the short term. But a couple of years go by and traditions change.

Galway have a couple of Leinster titles in Hurling.

Cardiff and Swnsea play English league football.

[Cunny Funt]

As Rossfan so accurately states Proposal A for the new football championship structures IS A DEFINITE non runner for purely realistic and practical reasons. 

If Proposal B does not get at least 60 per cent of the Congress vote on October 23rd we will be left with a return  basically to the Super 8 system which  caters only for the top eight teams in the country.

No system outside the total implementation of a  three category system based on separate Senior,Intermediate and Junior championship as per the County Club Championships in most counties can be completely fair or equitable.That however is not on the table.


Therefore Proposal B, PROVIDED  the Tailteann Cup is marketed properly and played in tandem with the Sam Maguire Cup series up to and including All Ireland final weekend, is by far the fairest proposal to treat ALL of our players in  ALL 32 counties in a fair manner.After all at present every county trains as hard as the Dublins,Mayos,Tyrones and Kerrys of this world.

The delegates to the Special Congress must vote accordingly so that every county has a reasonable chance of some silverware.Proposal B CATERS FOR THAT EVENTUALITY.

Or a return to the stand alone quarter finals as we had in 2017. Tailteann Cup will be going ahead next year regardless of what format it seems and it will be interesting to see will it be more of a success than the Tommy Murphy Cup was

[twohands!!!]

As Rossfan so accurately states Proposal A for the new football championship structures IS A DEFINITE non runner for purely realistic and practical reasons. 

If Proposal B does not get at least 60 per cent of the Congress vote on October 23rd we will be left with a return  basically to the Super 8 system which  caters only for the top eight teams in the country.

No system outside the total implementation of a  three category system based on separate Senior,Intermediate and Junior championship as per the County Club Championships in most counties can be completely fair or equitable.That however is not on the table.


Therefore Proposal B, PROVIDED  the Tailteann Cup is marketed properly and played in tandem with the Sam Maguire Cup series up to and including All Ireland final weekend, is by far the fairest proposal to treat ALL of our players in  ALL 32 counties in a fair manner.After all at present every county trains as hard as the Dublins,Mayos,Tyrones and Kerrys of this world.

The delegates to the Special Congress must vote accordingly so that every county has a reasonable chance of some silverware.Proposal B CATERS FOR THAT EVENTUALITY.

Yeah Option B looks very much like the least worst option by a long distance.

Ulster GAA provincial secretary and CEO Brian McAvoy has said that there are "significant weaknesses" in the idea of a league-based All-Ireland Football Championship.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1250023/?

The weakness of McAvoy's arguments makes me think that Option B might actually have a real chance of being passed.

[shark]

As Rossfan so accurately states Proposal A for the new football championship structures IS A DEFINITE non runner for purely realistic and practical reasons. 

If Proposal B does not get at least 60 per cent of the Congress vote on October 23rd we will be left with a return  basically to the Super 8 system which  caters only for the top eight teams in the country.

No system outside the total implementation of a  three category system based on separate Senior,Intermediate and Junior championship as per the County Club Championships in most counties can be completely fair or equitable.That however is not on the table.


Therefore Proposal B, PROVIDED  the Tailteann Cup is marketed properly and played in tandem with the Sam Maguire Cup series up to and including All Ireland final weekend, is by far the fairest proposal to treat ALL of our players in  ALL 32 counties in a fair manner.After all at present every county trains as hard as the Dublins,Mayos,Tyrones and Kerrys of this world.

The delegates to the Special Congress must vote accordingly so that every county has a reasonable chance of some silverware.Proposal B CATERS FOR THAT EVENTUALITY.

The Christy Ring Cup final, when originally introduced, as supposed to be played prior to the Liam McCarthy semi final. It was orginally. Then it wasn't any more. Eventually it was played in June, in Portlaoise.

[Rossfan]

The reward for winning it was still Promotion.
Tommy Tailteann is a meaningless tournament under proposals A, 2017 or 2018/19 systems.

[seafoid]

What kind of msrketing would the Tailteann Cup.require?

Before All Ireland Final?
Social media push?
Press nights?
Up for the match ?
40% of the Sunday Game ?

[shark]

The reward for winning it was still Promotion.
Tommy Tailteann is a meaningless tournament under proposals A, 2017 or 2018/19 systems.

Agreed. But my point was in relation to whether it would be promoted and well placed on the calendar. It might for a year or two, but then it will sink in to obscurity.

[Ty4Sam]

What kind of msrketing would the Tailteann Cup.require?

Before All Ireland Final?
Social media push?
Press nights?
Up for the match ?
40% of the Sunday Game ?

The day before maybe, making it a finals weekend. Tough enough to get tickets for an AI Final with 2 teams never mind having 4 senior teams. If promoted correctly, Tailteann Cup final should through time attract 20/30/40k fans on the Saturday

[Rossfan]

Should be a Tailteann All stars, a week away for the winners and All stars, have a big do in Croker for the teams on the evening of the match, include Tailteann games in TV packages and get a decent sponsor.