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Hectic:

--- Quote from: Hound on October 18, 2021, 10:21:25 AM ---But people who are unvaccinated are more likely to catch Covid than people who are vaccinated, therefore, you are much safer eating in a restaurant that only allows vaccinated to attend.

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Been a long time away and should probably have stayed away given this sort of drivel filling up pages.

It is generally accepted that vaccination does not stop infection and in fact recent data shows that out with those under 30 (the group at an almost zero risk of death from Covid) the vaccinated are significantly more likely to catch Covid.

Of course those are just the numbers and donít actually put the meat on the bones as to the reasons why.  Of which there may be many.  Perhaps including being cosied into restaurants etc with other vaccinated individuals.

The arguments for vaccination revolve around lowering risk of hospitalisation and indeed death and again the data backs this up at face value.  And again there needs to be meat on the bones as hidden factors such as contraindications due to already poor health may be at play.

So it looks like there is not a huge volume of unvaccinated winding up in hospital due to the profile of the unvaccinated (mostly young and healthy).

However a hospital bed is a hospital bed and preventing someone using one up is always the ideal approach.

As such I would advocate more emphasis on risk profile of the individual.  Because, in the age groups the majority of the unvaccinated belong, those winding up in hospital are often obese, have alcohol issues or other underlying health conditions.

I believe if anyone needs to be targeted it is the high risk individuals who are unvaccinated but do not understand their risk profile.

The vaccine passport and the salivating for it has confirmed what I have known for a long time re modern Ireland and where many within it are with regards where they came from and what their ancestors fought and died for.

Hound:

--- Quote ---recent data shows that out with those under 30 (the group at an almost zero risk of death from Covid) the vaccinated are significantly more likely to catch Covid.
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This would be news to most people that getting the vaccine increases the chances of you catching Covid! I don't want to outright call you a liar, so can you put up some reputable links to support this recent data?

When vaccines were not widely available, they were targetted at the high risk groups as you suggest. That made absolute sense.

However, now that vaccines are widely available, it's important that everyone is vaccinated, to both reduce risk of Covid, and thus and very importantly provide additional and very needed protection for the high risk groups.

Those who choose not to get vaccinated and thus increase their own risk of catching Covid which increases the risk of them spreading Covid to their friends and neighbours are selfish and certainly must have forgotten "where they came from and what their ancestors fought and died for".

imtommygunn:

--- Quote ---recent data shows that out with those under 30 (the group at an almost zero risk of death from Covid) the vaccinated are significantly more likely to catch Covid.
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Do you have a source for that?

It the above is true it would be pretty major news...

lenny:

--- Quote from: Hectic on October 18, 2021, 03:59:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hound on October 18, 2021, 10:21:25 AM ---But people who are unvaccinated are more likely to catch Covid than people who are vaccinated, therefore, you are much safer eating in a restaurant that only allows vaccinated to attend.

--- End quote ---

Been a long time away and should probably have stayed away given this sort of drivel filling up pages.

It is generally accepted that vaccination does not stop infection and in fact recent data shows that out with those under 30 (the group at an almost zero risk of death from Covid) the vaccinated are significantly more likely to catch Covid.

Of course those are just the numbers and donít actually put the meat on the bones as to the reasons why.  Of which there may be many.  Perhaps including being cosied into restaurants etc with other vaccinated individuals.

The arguments for vaccination revolve around lowering risk of hospitalisation and indeed death and again the data backs this up at face value.  And again there needs to be meat on the bones as hidden factors such as contraindications due to already poor health may be at play.

So it looks like there is not a huge volume of unvaccinated winding up in hospital due to the profile of the unvaccinated (mostly young and healthy).

However a hospital bed is a hospital bed and preventing someone using one up is always the ideal approach.

As such I would advocate more emphasis on risk profile of the individual.  Because, in the age groups the majority of the unvaccinated belong, those winding up in hospital are often obese, have alcohol issues or other underlying health conditions.

I believe if anyone needs to be targeted it is the high risk individuals who are unvaccinated but do not understand their risk profile.

The vaccine passport and the salivating for it has confirmed what I have known for a long time re modern Ireland and where many within it are with regards where they came from and what their ancestors fought and died for.

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So youíve decided to add more absolute drivel. Vaccination doesnít prevent you from getting covid-19 but it reduces your chances significantly. It also significantly reduces your chances of requiring hospital treatment if you do get covid. It is absolute nonsense to say that being vaccinated increases your chances of getting covid in a particular cohort.

Taylor:

--- Quote from: Hectic on October 18, 2021, 03:59:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hound on October 18, 2021, 10:21:25 AM ---But people who are unvaccinated are more likely to catch Covid than people who are vaccinated, therefore, you are much safer eating in a restaurant that only allows vaccinated to attend.

--- End quote ---

Been a long time away and should probably have stayed away given this sort of drivel filling up pages.

It is generally accepted that vaccination does not stop infection and in fact recent data shows that out with those under 30 (the group at an almost zero risk of death from Covid) the vaccinated are significantly more likely to catch Covid.


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Unless you can back this statement up with scientific facts I think its safe to say we can file it under 'drivel filling up pages'.

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