There were some very bad scenes at this match on the videos that are doing the rounds.
Let's hope it is properly punished. I've seen lots of "typical GAA" comments on social media from soccer heads which shows how widespread the opinion is that GAA games are out of control and this behaviour is accepted as part of the game.
https://twitter.com/invest_ez/status/1446940243018518529
I mentioned on the other thread that some of these young players will not set foot on a football field again. A group of 15/20 boys will have all kinds of personalities. Some will be shy and it will take quite a bit for them to put themselves out there in a team environment. And for some one with this disposition to witness the carnage above will have been terrifying.
To a lesser extent the behaviour of some underage coaches towards refs, their players and opposition can be awful. The verbal abuse leaves a very bad taste. I'm talking u12 / u14 etc... Player retention, more so now than ever with all matter of other pursuits, destrations, is incredibly important and none of the above does anything to help that cause. This type of behaviour needs to be stamped out (not literally)
It seems to be a lot of parents and coaches involved in that clip . Whatever above the players,they shouldn't be getting involved.
It was u15 but absolutely disgraceful. The poor kids.
Any word on what set it off?
Was there an incident on the field between players? A refereeing decision?
Quote from: J70 on October 11, 2021, 07:52:35 PM
Any word on what set it off?
Was there an incident on the field between players? A refereeing decision?
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Final whistle blew, wasn't a close game. A player on the losing team got sent off for mouthing. Coaches from each side were shaking hands, things were said. Pushing and shoving ensued, a young player got accidentally pushed/ trampled by a coach who was getting a,few,slaps. Parents of young lad saw something different, f#ckwit behaviour ensued, cause you can get away with murder once you cross the whitewash on a Gaa field.
Seen some clips of it... some people need to catch themselves on
What should happen of course is all the names of those involved are taken and banned from entering GAA matches again. It would be impossible to police of course but it was disgraceful behaviour from adults at an underage game.
I was at an U14 match years ago where one team actually went out and targeted certain opposition players for extreme foul play. One lad, who was one of the best players on the team, picked up a very serious injury and essentially never player Gaelic football again. I know for a fact they were told exactly what to do by one of the selectors, because one of the players told me so. There's hard feelings between both clubs to this day
Exactly what you mention happened this year, underage, in my own county. So, nothing unique. I actually think that sort of thing is more reprehensible than a brawl.
Obviously it's not good, but I have seen far worse - plenty of times. I suppose it's got all the attention because it was at an u15 game?
Quote from: burdizzo on October 11, 2021, 11:17:24 PM
Exactly what you mention happened this year, underage, in my own county. So, nothing unique. I actually think that sort of thing is more reprehensible than a brawl.
Obviously it's not good, but I have seen far worse - plenty of times. I suppose it's got all the attention because it was at an u15 game?
Got all the attention because this needs to be stamped out, regardless of seeing worse. Having passion for your club, the parish and so on is one thing, mass brawl at an under15 game is just rotten, embarrassed for all involved and those involved need to feck away off, that style of support/coach/player/parent won't be missed. Neanderthal
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 11, 2021, 09:10:12 PM
What should happen of course is all the names of those involved are taken and banned from entering GAA matches again. It would be impossible to police of course but it was disgraceful behaviour from adults at an underage game.
Impossible to police that. As someone else said, if someone starts thumping the head of you you cant exactly turn the other cheek. Likewise your one in the clip shouting that someone hit her son- if she did see a man hit her child then you can't blame her for flipping the lid.
Too much slabbering on the sidelines at underage matches. We see it year in year out and it only takes someone to "light the match" and you have scenes like this. Clubs are to blame by letting the wrong people take charge of teams and then when they act the bollix, they brush it under the carpet in a misguided attempt to protect their own. There should be absolute zero tolerance for this bullshit. Also, what happened to the rule about playing championship matches at a pitch with a fence?
Also worth saying that whoever put that video online was wrong. However, you have a number of GAA people being assualted by others and is it not better that there is evidence to present to the authorities.
Someone phone the cops' wouldn't get away with that in the north ;D . on a serious note, crazy scenes and im sure nobody involved got home and were proud of themselves. Heat of the moment red mist etc, but adults need to realise that kids will see their actions and feel its acceptable.
Seen someone on twitter saying that, parents shouldn't be allowed to take teams where their kids are playing, I dont know what world some people live in some clubs struggle to get anyone to take a team regardless and some only have mentors because their young lad or girl plays on the team. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Personally id just like to see clubs themselves hammer the people involved regardless of who they are. Clubs have a duty of care to their members, not fair clubs being brought down by people acting the clown at games. Self policing is the way to go.
Quote from: themac_23 on October 12, 2021, 10:54:00 AM
Someone phone the cops' wouldn't get away with that in the north ;D . on a serious note, crazy scenes and im sure nobody involved got home and were proud of themselves. Heat of the moment red mist etc, but adults need to realise that kids will see their actions and feel its acceptable.
Seen someone on twitter saying that, parents shouldn't be allowed to take teams where their kids are playing, I dont know what world some people live in some clubs struggle to get anyone to take a team regardless and some only have mentors because their young lad or girl plays on the team. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Personally id just like to see clubs themselves hammer the people involved regardless of who they are. Clubs have a duty of care to their members, not fair clubs being brought down by people acting the clown at games. Self policing is the way to go.
Self policing is the reason these things happen. CB's need to start coming down hard on teams. Sweep sweep and teams / players not taking their oil is rampant in the GAA
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Quote from: themac_23 on October 12, 2021, 10:54:00 AM
Someone phone the cops' wouldn't get away with that in the north ;D . on a serious note, crazy scenes and im sure nobody involved got home and were proud of themselves. Heat of the moment red mist etc, but adults need to realise that kids will see their actions and feel its acceptable.
Seen someone on twitter saying that, parents shouldn't be allowed to take teams where their kids are playing, I dont know what world some people live in some clubs struggle to get anyone to take a team regardless and some only have mentors because their young lad or girl plays on the team. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Personally id just like to see clubs themselves hammer the people involved regardless of who they are. Clubs have a duty of care to their members, not fair clubs being brought down by people acting the clown at games. Self policing is the way to go.
Self policing is the reason these things happen. CB's need to start coming down hard on teams. Sweep sweep and teams / players not taking their oil is rampant in the GAA
What's the solution here? Hard to prove anything from that video and it doesn't even show what kicked it off. And ridiculous to start throwing the whole team out for the actions of a few adults.
Unfortunately this is going to happen and I think there's little the GAA can do to stop it. But they should have set processes in place for how the clubs deal with it. And even then it's going to be a nightmare if he said, she said, especially if the video doesn't capture everything.
The reason it will continue to happen is that the personnel change so regularly in underage. And no vetting process will capture the normally quite civil lad/ lady who turns into a complete idiot at the first mistimed tackle or bad call by the ref. I think it's an impossible task for the GAA as clubs are so stuck for managers at underage that they are usually just happy to get someone in.
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Quote from: themac_23 on October 12, 2021, 10:54:00 AM
Someone phone the cops' wouldn't get away with that in the north ;D . on a serious note, crazy scenes and im sure nobody involved got home and were proud of themselves. Heat of the moment red mist etc, but adults need to realise that kids will see their actions and feel its acceptable.
Seen someone on twitter saying that, parents shouldn't be allowed to take teams where their kids are playing, I dont know what world some people live in some clubs struggle to get anyone to take a team regardless and some only have mentors because their young lad or girl plays on the team. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Personally id just like to see clubs themselves hammer the people involved regardless of who they are. Clubs have a duty of care to their members, not fair clubs being brought down by people acting the clown at games. Self policing is the way to go.
Self policing is the reason these things happen. CB's need to start coming down hard on teams. Sweep sweep and teams / players not taking their oil is rampant in the GAA
What's the solution here? Hard to prove anything from that video and it doesn't even show what kicked it off. And ridiculous to start throwing the whole team out for the actions of a few adults.
Thats it, why punish a whole club for the actions of a few individuals? Self policing happens everywhere, look at soccer and when supporters are seen doing something or shouting something which is wrong, look at the reaction when a club bans them. If a GAA club turned round and said 'After the events at a recent game the club has taken internal disciplinary action and those involved have been dealt with' the club would go up in my eyes, also show others in the club that their actions will have consequences.
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Quote from: themac_23 on October 12, 2021, 10:54:00 AM
Someone phone the cops' wouldn't get away with that in the north ;D . on a serious note, crazy scenes and im sure nobody involved got home and were proud of themselves. Heat of the moment red mist etc, but adults need to realise that kids will see their actions and feel its acceptable.
Seen someone on twitter saying that, parents shouldn't be allowed to take teams where their kids are playing, I dont know what world some people live in some clubs struggle to get anyone to take a team regardless and some only have mentors because their young lad or girl plays on the team. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Personally id just like to see clubs themselves hammer the people involved regardless of who they are. Clubs have a duty of care to their members, not fair clubs being brought down by people acting the clown at games. Self policing is the way to go.
Self policing is the reason these things happen. CB's need to start coming down hard on teams. Sweep sweep and teams / players not taking their oil is rampant in the GAA
What's the solution here? Hard to prove anything from that video and it doesn't even show what kicked it off. And ridiculous to start throwing the whole team out for the actions of a few adults.
Thats it, why punish a whole club for the actions of a few individuals? Self policing happens everywhere, look at soccer and when supporters are seen doing something or shouting something which is wrong, look at the reaction when a club bans them. If a GAA club turned round and said 'After the events at a recent game the club has taken internal disciplinary action and those involved have been dealt with' the club would go up in my eyes, also show others in the club that their actions will have consequences.
But everyone knows they wouldn't be dealt with. Just tell the county board its all looked after, then carry on as normal
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Quote from: themac_23 on October 12, 2021, 10:54:00 AM
Someone phone the cops' wouldn't get away with that in the north ;D . on a serious note, crazy scenes and im sure nobody involved got home and were proud of themselves. Heat of the moment red mist etc, but adults need to realise that kids will see their actions and feel its acceptable.
Seen someone on twitter saying that, parents shouldn't be allowed to take teams where their kids are playing, I dont know what world some people live in some clubs struggle to get anyone to take a team regardless and some only have mentors because their young lad or girl plays on the team. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Personally id just like to see clubs themselves hammer the people involved regardless of who they are. Clubs have a duty of care to their members, not fair clubs being brought down by people acting the clown at games. Self policing is the way to go.
Self policing is the reason these things happen. CB's need to start coming down hard on teams. Sweep sweep and teams / players not taking their oil is rampant in the GAA
What's the solution here? Hard to prove anything from that video and it doesn't even show what kicked it off. And ridiculous to start throwing the whole team out for the actions of a few adults.
Thats it, why punish a whole club for the actions of a few individuals? Self policing happens everywhere, look at soccer and when supporters are seen doing something or shouting something which is wrong, look at the reaction when a club bans them. If a GAA club turned round and said 'After the events at a recent game the club has taken internal disciplinary action and those involved have been dealt with' the club would go up in my eyes, also show others in the club that their actions will have consequences.
But everyone knows they wouldn't be dealt with. Just tell the county board its all looked after, then carry on as normal
But then thats not what im talking about, im talking about clubs having the swingers to actually follow through with it. No point blaming the GAA or the county boards, its the clubs who should be being tough on members who are tarnishing their clubs name, if they dont care and are happy enough to let their club be dragged down all over social media etc then thats up to them, I know most clubs would rather avoid that
Every club has a code of conduct. If the club is not following that then they should be punished if something like that goes ahead. There is no mitigating factors that will make that incident ok, its wrong no matter what was said or done leading up to that video. You can't justify that in front of those kids, ever!!
Home games should be stripped and a fine, if there is no deterrent then what's going to stop it the next time?
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Someone phone the cops' wouldn't get away with that in the north ;D . on a serious note, crazy scenes and im sure nobody involved got home and were proud of themselves. Heat of the moment red mist etc, but adults need to realise that kids will see their actions and feel its acceptable.
Seen someone on twitter saying that, parents shouldn't be allowed to take teams where their kids are playing, I dont know what world some people live in some clubs struggle to get anyone to take a team regardless and some only have mentors because their young lad or girl plays on the team. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Personally id just like to see clubs themselves hammer the people involved regardless of who they are. Clubs have a duty of care to their members, not fair clubs being brought down by people acting the clown at games. Self policing is the way to go.
Self policing is the reason these things happen. CB's need to start coming down hard on teams. Sweep sweep and teams / players not taking their oil is rampant in the GAA
What's the solution here? Hard to prove anything from that video and it doesn't even show what kicked it off. And ridiculous to start throwing the whole team out for the actions of a few adults.
Thats it, why punish a whole club for the actions of a few individuals? Self policing happens everywhere, look at soccer and when supporters are seen doing something or shouting something which is wrong, look at the reaction when a club bans them. If a GAA club turned round and said 'After the events at a recent game the club has taken internal disciplinary action and those involved have been dealt with' the club would go up in my eyes, also show others in the club that their actions will have consequences.
But everyone knows they wouldn't be dealt with. Just tell the county board its all looked after, then carry on as normal
But then thats not what im talking about, im talking about clubs having the swingers to actually follow through with it. No point blaming the GAA or the county boards, its the clubs who should be being tough on members who are tarnishing their clubs name, if they dont care and are happy enough to let their club be dragged down all over social media etc then thats up to them, I know most clubs would rather avoid that
There's a strong chance that the members involved in the scenes are committee men, coaches, sponsors, lifetime members, decorated players, etc.
That's what I'd expect us to be dealing with if it was my club involved.
It's remarkably easy to say "ban them forever" on a message board. Any fool with one finger can write that shit down.
It is though remarkably difficult and divisive to actually follow that code in the real world. I've a strong moral code, even strong opinions, and generally speaking I couldn't give a damn about what people think about me. Yet I would not pursue an internal club investigation for this. I like having one club in Ballyholland. It just wouldn't be worth it.
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The only way this can ever change is if the punishment meted out to a club (like banned from championship for 2 years) is so severe, that a club's members will both turn on those involved, and will self police it from everyone happening again.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2021, 11:56:30 AM
Every club has a code of conduct. If the club is not following that then they should be punished if something like that goes ahead. There is no mitigating factors that will make that incident ok, its wrong no matter what was said or done leading up to that video. You can't justify that in front of those kids, ever!!
Home games should be stripped and a fine, if there is no deterrent then what's going to stop it the next time?
Fining teams is pure stupid....what local business would sponsor a team only to see that money handed over to the county board?
I have to laugh watching some of the games that are streamed online. People roaring and shouting at the referee at u12 games.
Quote from: whitey on October 12, 2021, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2021, 11:56:30 AM
Every club has a code of conduct. If the club is not following that then they should be punished if something like that goes ahead. There is no mitigating factors that will make that incident ok, its wrong no matter what was said or done leading up to that video. You can't justify that in front of those kids, ever!!
Home games should be stripped and a fine, if there is no deterrent then what's going to stop it the next time?
Fining teams is pure stupid....what local business would sponsor a team only to see that money handed over to the county board?
I have to laugh watching some of the games that are streamed online. People roaring and shouting at the referee at u12 games.
That's up to the sponsors, what local business man would support a team that has hooligans
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2021, 11:56:30 AM
Every club has a code of conduct. If the club is not following that then they should be punished if something like that goes ahead. There is no mitigating factors that will make that incident ok, its wrong no matter what was said or done leading up to that video. You can't justify that in front of those kids, ever!!
Home games should be stripped and a fine, if there is no deterrent then what's going to stop it the next time?
Fining teams is pure stupid....what local business would sponsor a team only to see that money handed over to the county board?
I have to laugh watching some of the games that are streamed online. People roaring and shouting at the referee at u12 games.
That's up to the sponsors, what local business man would support a team that has hooligans
Tons of them would and do all the time
Quote from: themac_23 on October 12, 2021, 10:54:00 AM
Someone phone the cops' wouldn't get away with that in the north ;D . on a serious note, crazy scenes and im sure nobody involved got home and were proud of themselves. Heat of the moment red mist etc, but adults need to realise that kids will see their actions and feel its acceptable.
Seen someone on twitter saying that, parents shouldn't be allowed to take teams where their kids are playing, I dont know what world some people live in some clubs struggle to get anyone to take a team regardless and some only have mentors because their young lad or girl plays on the team. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Personally id just like to see clubs themselves hammer the people involved regardless of who they are. Clubs have a duty of care to their members, not fair clubs being brought down by people acting the clown at games. Self policing is the way to go.
Dont see how that is relevant to this. Sure wouldnt the parents be there watching it anyway and if they were of a mind to fight then they would fight. Clubs should be fined heavily I think and clubs would then be forced to weed out certain people out of their membership
Would certainly help if parents, mentors and players were all taken through the actual rules of the game at the start of each season.
The amount of noise from people shouting nonsense is unreal, on and off the pitch and is often the catalyst for things to start getting heated.
Quote from: tyroneman on October 12, 2021, 01:00:50 PM
Would certainly help if parents, mentors and players were all taken through the actual rules of the game at the start of each season.
The amount of noise from people shouting nonsense is unreal, on and off the pitch and is often the catalyst for things to start getting heated.
Yeah the rules half the time seem to cause issue. Players, refs, coaches and supporters alike aren't helped by the uncertainty around most of the them and the fact they seem to change every week depending on the ref or with certain refs with every play
Code of of conducts are all good.
Question is what should be the punishment be here (or for something similar)? How is it administered ?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 12, 2021, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 12, 2021, 01:00:50 PM
Would certainly help if parents, mentors and players were all taken through the actual rules of the game at the start of each season.
The amount of noise from people shouting nonsense is unreal, on and off the pitch and is often the catalyst for things to start getting heated.
Yeah the rules half the time seem to cause issue. Players, refs, coaches and supporters alike aren't helped by the uncertainty around most of the them and the fact they seem to change every week depending on the ref or with certain refs with every play
And the fact that many of the 'experts' on TV don't know them either
This will go the usual way.
Shock and outrage at the clip for days on end.
Wicklow GAA announce an investigation.
HQ GAA will say nothing - it's a matter for local county board.
Investigation will be done quietly over few months.
Clubs circle the wagons - no names given, looked worse than it was, we seen nothing.
Few suspensions handed out.
Outrage at suspensions.
Appealed and cut in half.
Carry on same as normal.
People will shout and call for heavy punishment but no one will be willing to hand it out or make the decision on it.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 12, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
A fine only punishes the clubs who struggle financially.
I agree with wobbler. The only way to have these people ostracised from their clubs is to piss the rest of the club off. A fine is unlikely to do that. A whole club championship ban will.
Ban the kids from playing cos their parents went fighting? All I saw in that video was kids in shock wandering around as adults thumped each other. Totally disagree with banning club from competing.
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 12, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
A fine only punishes the clubs who struggle financially.
I agree with wobbler. The only way to have these people ostracised from their clubs is to piss the rest of the club off. A fine is unlikely to do that. A whole club championship ban will.
Ban the kids from playing cos their parents went fighting? All I saw in that video was kids in shock wandering around as adults thumped each other. Totally disagree with banning club from competing.
It's not banning kids from playing. It's banning clubs from competing.
They may mean the same thing to you. But they're not.
Carnew V Kilcoole, Carnew is a village described as a Protestant enclave. Carnew lost, after the final whistle a Carnew player was sent off. Possible sledging.
I was talking to someone over the weekend who has kids playing at u6 and u10 level
They told me that they were at a challenge match and one of the mothers was "encouraging really rough play".
If a parent is encouraging either 6 or 10 year olds to start flaking all around them at at challenge match they should seek psychiatric help never mind getting banned from attending matches
Quote from: Rudi on October 12, 2021, 02:23:29 PM
Carnew V Kilcoole, Carnew is a village described as a Protestant enclave. Carnew lost, after the final whistle a Carnew player was sent off. Possible sledging.
(https://i.ibb.co/HTRZ9mt/z9l-Ibc-Or-F63p.gif)
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Quote from: Rudi on October 12, 2021, 02:23:29 PM
Carnew V Kilcoole, Carnew is a village described as a Protestant enclave. Carnew lost, after the final whistle a Carnew player was sent off. Possible sledging.
(https://i.ibb.co/HTRZ9mt/z9l-Ibc-Or-F63p.gif)
;D ;)
Quote from: Rudi on October 12, 2021, 02:23:29 PM
Carnew V Kilcoole, Carnew is a village described as a Protestant enclave. Carnew lost, after the final whistle a Carnew player was sent off. Possible sledging.
Was it Carnew that bundled the ref in the boot of the car too? Some history of 'taking it a bit too far' if it was!
Quote from: thewobbler on October 12, 2021, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 12, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
A fine only punishes the clubs who struggle financially.
I agree with wobbler. The only way to have these people ostracised from their clubs is to piss the rest of the club off. A fine is unlikely to do that. A whole club championship ban will.
Ban the kids from playing cos their parents went fighting? All I saw in that video was kids in shock wandering around as adults thumped each other. Totally disagree with banning club from competing.
It's not banning kids from playing. It's banning clubs from competing.
They may mean the same thing to you. But they're not.
So explain it to me. How does a kid play football during a season when their club is banned from competition.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 12, 2021, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 12, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
A fine only punishes the clubs who struggle financially.
I agree with wobbler. The only way to have these people ostracised from their clubs is to piss the rest of the club off. A fine is unlikely to do that. A whole club championship ban will.
Ban the kids from playing cos their parents went fighting? All I saw in that video was kids in shock wandering around as adults thumped each other. Totally disagree with banning club from competing.
It's not banning kids from playing. It's banning clubs from competing.
They may mean the same thing to you. But they're not.
It never sticks though. Through appeals or whatever it ends up not being enforced.
And you're right on the club trying to deal with it themselves - even if you do it by the book it just causes a split. Your dealing with families you've grew up with etc. Impossible to get right from the inside.
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Quote from: thewobbler on October 12, 2021, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 12, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
A fine only punishes the clubs who struggle financially.
I agree with wobbler. The only way to have these people ostracised from their clubs is to piss the rest of the club off. A fine is unlikely to do that. A whole club championship ban will.
Ban the kids from playing cos their parents went fighting? All I saw in that video was kids in shock wandering around as adults thumped each other. Totally disagree with banning club from competing.
It's not banning kids from playing. It's banning clubs from competing.
They may mean the same thing to you. But they're not.
So explain it to me. How does a kid play football during a season when their club is banned from competition.
They don't.
But it's not the kids that are getting punished. It's the club as a whole. Not the u15s. The real punishment is not to the kids, who can transfer, okay other sports, etc, but instead it's what happens to a club when all this is going on. It's a proper punishment.
Whereas if any club-wide sanction is going to be met with "won't someone think of the children?" winning out the day, then there can be no such thing as a club-wide sanction.
Fines are not just a waste of time, but extraordinarily inegalitarian. Rich clubs will sign the cheques. Financial basket cases will refuse to pay, and eventually will win out with a sob story. The clubs in the middle get it rough, but never quite rough enough to start handing out internal sanctions.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 12, 2021, 03:50:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 12, 2021, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 12, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
A fine only punishes the clubs who struggle financially.
I agree with wobbler. The only way to have these people ostracised from their clubs is to piss the rest of the club off. A fine is unlikely to do that. A whole club championship ban will.
Ban the kids from playing cos their parents went fighting? All I saw in that video was kids in shock wandering around as adults thumped each other. Totally disagree with banning club from competing.
It's not banning kids from playing. It's banning clubs from competing.
They may mean the same thing to you. But they're not.
It never sticks though. Through appeals or whatever it ends up not being enforced.
And you're right on the club trying to deal with it themselves - even if you do it by the book it just causes a split. Your dealing with families you've grew up with etc. Impossible to get right from the inside.
Eventually there'll be an incident so vile that the punishment will stick.
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Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2021, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 12, 2021, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 12, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
A fine only punishes the clubs who struggle financially.
I agree with wobbler. The only way to have these people ostracised from their clubs is to piss the rest of the club off. A fine is unlikely to do that. A whole club championship ban will.
Ban the kids from playing cos their parents went fighting? All I saw in that video was kids in shock wandering around as adults thumped each other. Totally disagree with banning club from competing.
It's not banning kids from playing. It's banning clubs from competing.
They may mean the same thing to you. But they're not.
So explain it to me. How does a kid play football during a season when their club is banned from competition.
They don't.
But it's not the kids that are getting punished. It's the club as a whole. Not the u15s. The real punishment is not to the kids, who can transfer, okay other sports, etc, but instead it's what happens to a club when all this is going on. It's a proper punishment.
Whereas if any club-wide sanction is going to be met with "won't someone think of the children?" winning out the day, then there can be no such thing as a club-wide sanction.
Fines are not just a waste of time, but extraordinarily inegalitarian. Rich clubs will sign the cheques. Financial basket cases will refuse to pay, and eventually will win out with a sob story. The clubs in the middle get it rough, but never quite rough enough to start handing out internal sanctions.
On what grounds can a child transfer? This is the GAA not soccer. You are punishing everyone, not just the club. I understand the difficulties but I dont think that proposal is fair to innocent youth players.
What about setting a lesson for kids that the GAA will not indulge or tolerate thuggery? That there are consequences, that the members are representing their club and the clubs are responsible for the conduct of their members?
Some on the that video should be ashamed of themselves. The GAA should not hold back on the punishment given.
There's a certain high profile GAA player who had made more than one appearance on the Late Late Show. Completely whitewashed the fact he's bitten, eye gouged and head butted opponents
Win at all costs
Quote from: whitey on October 12, 2021, 06:09:37 PM
There's a certain high profile GAA player who had made more than one appearance on the Late Late Show. Completely whitewashed the fact he's bitten, eye gouged and head butted opponents
Win at all costs
Meath man or possibly half the Meath team from the nineties.
bunch of idiots that think some local village rivalry is important no one cares in the bigger world but in their eyes they are the center of the universe.
Quote from: Rudi on October 12, 2021, 07:30:59 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 12, 2021, 06:09:37 PM
There's a certain high profile GAA player who had made more than one appearance on the Late Late Show. Completely whitewashed the fact he's bitten, eye gouged and head butted opponents
Win at all costs
Meath man or possibly half the Meath team from the nineties.
Definitely must of been them. And a so called " legend " from that team you can include spitting.
Quote from: J70 on October 12, 2021, 04:54:31 PM
What about setting a lesson for kids that the GAA will not indulge or tolerate thuggery? That there are consequences, that the members are representing their club and the clubs are responsible for the conduct of their members?
The lesson would be that they are being punished for other peoples thuggery, siege mentality and all that. The proposal by Wobbler I think was that there would be no football for U13s, U15s, U17s, U20s and seniors in both clubs for 12 months. I think that is grossly unfair and counter productive as it will drive kids away from the game. They cant simply transfer elsewhere (who would want to take the entire contents of one clubs underage team into their own for 1 year anyway!)
Fining maybe means nothing to some clubs, fair enough. But there has to be a different way than taking it out on the kids. Life bans for all those identified on the field fighting would be a good start.
The blue & yellow supporters & mentors come out of this looking far worse than the Kilcoole supporters & mentors. A big fat ape dressed in all black clearly assaults a mentor with shorts dressed in green & yellow. The same mentor is assaulted by a big ape of a woman, who also calls him a pri"k. One of the mentors dressed in blue also assaults a supporter dressed in grey, pulls the top over his head & hits him a few slaps. Those 3 should be done for assault for starters. It was also a "D" Final for ffs.
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
78km from Carnew to Kilcoole so local rivals doesn't hold much water.
Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
Spot on
And the one eyedness of it, I've seen mentors from our club verbally abuse under age players, free takers for example. One Regularly gets sent off, bawling at the ref all the time, same man would start a fight in a phone box. Our gang tut tut and shake their heads as "hes one of ours" but nobody does nothing. A mentor from an opposition team ever does half of what our lad does and theirs outrage "disgrace, should be ashamed etc etc" The hypocrisy at times is unreal. I'm also involved with underage rugby and its generally not tolerated, two mothers abused a ref after an underage match recently, followed him to the dressing room shouting abuse at him. Club was fined 500 euro and the sanction was going to be increased if we didnt show that we had dealt with the parents, the mothers weren't club members so there wasn't much that could be done but the club had to send them letters telling them they werent welcome at games if they couldn't behave themselves and if it happened again their children would unfortunately be asked to play somewhere else. I know rugby is not GAA but if there's consequences to your actions people can generally find a way to control themselves.
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Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
Spot on
And the one eyedness of it, I've seen mentors from our club verbally abuse under age players, free takers for example. One Regularly gets sent off, bawling at the ref all the time, same man would start a fight in a phone box. Our gang tut tut and shake their heads as "hes one of ours" but nobody does nothing. A mentor from an opposition team ever does half of what our lad does and theirs outrage "disgrace, should be ashamed etc etc" The hypocrisy at times is unreal. I'm also involved with underage rugby and its generally not tolerated, two mothers abused a ref after an underage match recently, followed him to the dressing room shouting abuse at him. Club was fined 500 euro and the sanction was going to be increased if we didnt show that we had dealt with the parents, the mothers weren't club members so there wasn't much that could be done but the club had to send them letters telling them they werent welcome at games if they couldn't behave themselves and if it happened again their children would unfortunately be asked to play somewhere else. I know rugby is not GAA but if there's consequences to your actions people can generally find a way to control themselves.
There's no "I know rugby is not GAA" about this.
An expectation for basic decency and self-control should be the minimum standard anywhere, in any situation.
Unfortunately people are reluctant to confront such behaviour, especially in a situation such as a local parish club where everyone knows each other, as you outline. Therefore, the leadership of the GAA at county level needs to step in and start dishing out suitable punishments to the clubs involved. There'd be a lot less indulgence of these wankers then, including within the clubs themselves once it was evident that everyone will suffer as a result of their bullshit.
J70, that approach from the rugby club would be quite fair to apply to this instance with a bigger fine and proof of clubs banning people involved.
"Alright lads the clubs been fined £500 yis all know who was at the match yis know who the gobshites were so ye can sort this fine out amongst yourselves"
IMO, there should never be a monetary fine used as a sanction in the GAA. Completely counterproductive in an amateur sport.
Close a pitch for 12 months, life bans if applicable, dock league points by all means.
The most effective one I've seen is if a club is thrown out of championship for a year. That tends to put manners on people.
https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/sport/gaa/gaa-clubs-attempt-to-heal-rift-following-weekend-brawl-40943795.html
LOL-both teams were scheduled to meet this coming weekend in a minor final, but that has wisely been postponed
Silks the clown calling for a 5 year ban and fines for those involved
Probably the best sanction would be to ban their supporters from attending games for a year. With the advent of required ticketing for club games, it would be very easy to implememt
Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
is a true a referee was a kidnapped at a game recently
Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
is a true a referee was a kidnapped at a game recently
No its not, its an urban myth that I have never seen any evidence off.
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Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
if your disrespecting the ref then you not a true gael or sportsman and probably playing for ego purposes to make you look like some sort of community tough guy.
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
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Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Thats a very small amount of people, mostly over 60 years old I'd say. Their flaking days are probably well behind them.
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 08:51:45 AM
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Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Thats a very small amount of people, mostly over 60 years old I'd say. Their flaking days are probably well behind them.
There's been serious flaking between supporters at tons of club and inter county teams over the past few years and it most certainly does not involve senior citizens
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
is a true a referee was a kidnapped at a game recently
No its not, its an urban myth that I have never seen any evidence off.
No, its not a myth, it happened after a game in a Munster county
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2021, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Thats a very small amount of people, mostly over 60 years old I'd say. Their flaking days are probably well behind them.
There's been serious flaking between supporters at tons of club and inter county teams over the past few years and it most certainly does not involve senior citizens
I know there is plenty of flaking but my point is its not between fella that have never left there parishes as you have alleged. Not in the year 2021 anyway.
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2021, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Thats a very small amount of people, mostly over 60 years old I'd say. Their flaking days are probably well behind them.
There's been serious flaking between supporters at tons of club and inter county teams over the past few years and it most certainly does not involve senior citizens
I know there is plenty of flaking but my point is its not between fella that have never left there parishes as you have alleged. Not in the year 2021 anyway.
There's tons of young people in every club who've never lived away from home or outside their own counties
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Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Thats a very small amount of people, mostly over 60 years old I'd say. Their flaking days are probably well behind them.
There's been serious flaking between supporters at tons of club and inter county teams over the past few years and it most certainly does not involve senior citizens
I know there is plenty of flaking but my point is its not between fella that have never left there parishes as you have alleged. Not in the year 2021 anyway.
There's tons of young people in every club who've never lived away from home or outside their own counties
You've now inserted the word "lived". When did you last live in Ireland as a matter of interest?
It's pure bull dung & a cop out from the Gardai, issuing a statement saying "no formal complaint from the game was received ". No investigation unless a complaint received.
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Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Thats a very small amount of people, mostly over 60 years old I'd say. Their flaking days are probably well behind them.
There's been serious flaking between supporters at tons of club and inter county teams over the past few years and it most certainly does not involve senior citizens
I know there is plenty of flaking but my point is its not between fella that have never left there parishes as you have alleged. Not in the year 2021 anyway.
There's tons of young people in every club who've never lived away from home or outside their own counties
You've now inserted the word "lived". When did you last live in Ireland as a matter of interest?
1992
If you think that there is no hatred between clubs in rural Ireland that's entirely up to you.
Believe whatever you want
(Fire up the old Google machine and you'll find evidence of rival supporters fighting and referees being assaulted up and down the country-assaulting referees is intertwined with this tribalism)
Quote from: Tyrdub on October 14, 2021, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
is a true a referee was a kidnapped at a game recently
No its not, its an urban myth that I have never seen any evidence off.
No, its not a myth, it happened after a game in a Munster county
Nearly happened up here but couldn't fit the ref in the boot ;D
Was there not a ref put in a boot with their kid on the back seat once?
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 14, 2021, 08:33:14 PM
Was there not a ref put in a boot with their kid on the back seat once?
Some supporters need to really catch themselves on though, it's counter productive on so many levels
A referee and Co board official were knocked out after a ladies Club game in Tyrone, a few years ago https://www.rte.ie/sport/ladies-football/2011/0627/281580-tyrone_ladiesfootball/
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Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Thats a very small amount of people, mostly over 60 years old I'd say. Their flaking days are probably well behind them.
There's been serious flaking between supporters at tons of club and inter county teams over the past few years and it most certainly does not involve senior citizens
I know there is plenty of flaking but my point is its not between fella that have never left there parishes as you have alleged. Not in the year 2021 anyway.
There's tons of young people in every club who've never lived away from home or outside their own counties
You've now inserted the word "lived". When did you last live in Ireland as a matter of interest?
1992
If you think that there is no hatred between clubs in rural Ireland that's entirely up to you.
Believe whatever you want
(Fire up the old Google machine and you'll find evidence of rival supporters fighting and referees being assaulted up and down the country-assaulting referees is intertwined with this tribalism)
I never said there wasn't fighting etc. I objected to your painting of rural Ireland as a bunch of muck savages who've never left their parish and hate the people who live up the road.
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Quote from: whitey on October 13, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British
I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British
Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting
I've heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football
and why would you hate someone because they come from another village are the gaa creating conflict where it should not
Again, this is mostly not true either. I have lived in many counties in small parishes and villages and while there is often intense rivalry on the football field this rarely manifests as "hatred" in everyday life. I don't know has Whitey lived in Ireland since there were parish faction fights in the early 1900s but this is not the case in my experience. Crowd trouble is very rare in the GAA, hence there is never segregation at our matches with supporters of different teams free to mingle.
I'm not talking about cosmopolitans like you who have lived in many counties
I'm talking about the people who have never left their home parish who are always looking for something the feel slighted about
(And just because they hate each other doesn't mean they go flaking the heads off each other at every turn)
Thats a very small amount of people, mostly over 60 years old I'd say. Their flaking days are probably well behind them.
There's been serious flaking between supporters at tons of club and inter county teams over the past few years and it most certainly does not involve senior citizens
I know there is plenty of flaking but my point is its not between fella that have never left there parishes as you have alleged. Not in the year 2021 anyway.
There's tons of young people in every club who've never lived away from home or outside their own counties
You've now inserted the word "lived". When did you last live in Ireland as a matter of interest?
1992
If you think that there is no hatred between clubs in rural Ireland that's entirely up to you.
Believe whatever you want
(Fire up the old Google machine and you'll find evidence of rival supporters fighting and referees being assaulted up and down the country-assaulting referees is intertwined with this tribalism)
I never said there wasn't fighting etc. I objected to your painting of rural Ireland as a bunch of muck savages who've never left their parish and hate the people who live up the road.
Object away....it's a free country
Quote from: Rudi on October 14, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
It's pure bull dung & a cop out from the Gardai, issuing a statement saying "no formal complaint from the game was received ". No investigation unless a complaint received.
Hardly a matter for the Gardai now ffs
If it's a matter for Gardai were it to happen on the streets then it should be a matter for the gardai were it to happen on the pitch.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 15, 2021, 07:36:44 AM
If it's a matter for Gardai were it to happen on the streets then it should be a matter for the gardai were it to happen on the pitch.
He's from Our ma, they sort things out themselves.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 15, 2021, 07:36:44 AM
If it's a matter for Gardai were it to happen on the streets then it should be a matter for the gardai were it to happen on the pitch.
Aw now I'm sure they've better things to be at than investigating a few handbags thrown.
It's only a matter for the Guards if someone makes a complaint. If the Guards or the RUC up north investigated every Snap Chat video of fights on the streets and playing fields of any sport they'd never be done!
These types of schemozzles happen in any sport. They are wrong and the clubs should be punished. Fining them is worthless. Punishing the whole club is harsh but may need to happen. I think what does need to happen is that there needs to be strong education rolled out within clubs for a zero tolerance of this behaviour and of abusive behaviour to refs. It's is learned behaviour and unless it is stopped at very early stages the process continues on. I have coached and reffed at under age and some of the things that are said by mentors is shocking. The notion of win at all costs has to be stopped. I haven't been involved at rugby but have been involved at underage basketball and there's a very respectful approach to refs. Game may not be just as physical but if a ref is questioned then there's technical fouls called and points scored.
Education is the only way to deal with this and a real drive to change the mentality. Go Games ideals have not worked so a new look should be done. Silent sidelines, restricted numbers, as best as possible no parents coaching their own kids teams. There will always be rows but it's possible to minimise them.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 15, 2021, 10:36:55 AM
It's only a matter for the Guards if someone makes a complaint. If the Guards or the RUC up north investigated every Snap Chat video of fights on the streets and playing fields of any sport they'd never be done!
These types of schemozzles happen in any sport. They are wrong and the clubs should be punished. Fining them is worthless. Punishing the whole club is harsh but may need to happen. I think what does need to happen is that there needs to be strong education rolled out within clubs for a zero tolerance of this behaviour and of abusive behaviour to refs. It's is learned behaviour and unless it is stopped at very early stages the process continues on. I have coached and reffed at under age and some of the things that are said by mentors is shocking. The notion of win at all costs has to be stopped. I haven't been involved at rugby but have been involved at underage basketball and there's a very respectful approach to refs. Game may not be just as physical but if a ref is questioned then there's technical fouls called and points scored.
Education is the only way to deal with this and a real drive to change the mentality. Go Games ideals have not worked so a new look should be done. Silent sidelines, restricted numbers, as best as possible no parents coaching their own kids teams. There will always be rows but it's possible to minimise them.
The Gardai should not have to wait for someone to make a complaint before they take action. No parents coaching their own kids is probably a good idea in theory, however in the vast majority of clubs very few would get involved in coaching if this was the case. Tonight I'm taking a team where I have none of my family involved, I will miss my young lads soccer match which is on at the same time. Good gaa man - bad dad!
Quote from: Rudi on October 15, 2021, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 15, 2021, 10:36:55 AM
It's only a matter for the Guards if someone makes a complaint. If the Guards or the RUC up north investigated every Snap Chat video of fights on the streets and playing fields of any sport they'd never be done!
These types of schemozzles happen in any sport. They are wrong and the clubs should be punished. Fining them is worthless. Punishing the whole club is harsh but may need to happen. I think what does need to happen is that there needs to be strong education rolled out within clubs for a zero tolerance of this behaviour and of abusive behaviour to refs. It's is learned behaviour and unless it is stopped at very early stages the process continues on. I have coached and reffed at under age and some of the things that are said by mentors is shocking. The notion of win at all costs has to be stopped. I haven't been involved at rugby but have been involved at underage basketball and there's a very respectful approach to refs. Game may not be just as physical but if a ref is questioned then there's technical fouls called and points scored.
Education is the only way to deal with this and a real drive to change the mentality. Go Games ideals have not worked so a new look should be done. Silent sidelines, restricted numbers, as best as possible no parents coaching their own kids teams. There will always be rows but it's possible to minimise them.
The Gardai should not have to wait for someone to make a complaint before they take action. No parents coaching their own kids is probably a good idea in theory, however in the vast majority of clubs very few would get involved in coaching if this was the case. Tonight I'm taking a team where I have none of my family involved, I will miss my young lads soccer match which is on at the same time. Good gaa man - bad dad!
I understand that about the difficulties around clubs with small numbers having limited people to take teams. My suggestion is an ideal world scenario but it is not necessarily a far out reach for most clubs. And you are a bad dad ;D. Only kidding of course.
As regards the Guards, they have limited resources so will only be blue to do so much. This types of brawls are not happening all the time. I've been to countless underage games and blitzes and have only witnessed this once at the level that was in this video. Most competitions are run well and do not have parents/mentors frothing at the mouth waiting to bate all round them. Maybe I have been lucky and maybe the teams I coached played against teams that were as mannerly as the kids I coached. It is a problem but let's not start making it into something bigger. It seems so bad to us as we are involved in the sport. I've no doubt it happens at soccer and maybe to a lesser extent rugby. I think all sports can learn off each other
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 14, 2021, 08:31:46 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on October 14, 2021, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
is a true a referee was a kidnapped at a game recently
No its not, its an urban myth that I have never seen any evidence off.
No, its not a myth, it happened after a game in a Munster county
Nearly happened up here but couldn't fit the ref in the boot ;D
well it was a mini they tried getting him in to
Cheeky fecker
Quote from: Tyrdub on October 15, 2021, 12:06:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 14, 2021, 08:31:46 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on October 14, 2021, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 14, 2021, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 14, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
is a true a referee was a kidnapped at a game recently
No its not, its an urban myth that I have never seen any evidence off.
No, its not a myth, it happened after a game in a Munster county
Nearly happened up here but couldn't fit the ref in the boot ;D
well it was a mini they tried getting him in to
Cheeky fecker
;D ;D
This is not the first time a ref was abused in Wicklow! A poor ref got locked in a car boot also. This was a junior game between Rathnew and Rathdrum about 25-ish years ago
That Ref got left up in the mountains by all accounts.
another brawl somwhere at the weekend video on ourgame
Quote from: Eire90 on October 18, 2021, 10:32:22 AM
another brawl somwhere at the weekend video on ourgame
Derry.
The two teams should be banned, in Down this happened with Downpatrick and Ballyholland a few years back. Lavey should not play semi
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 16, 2021, 01:22:06 PM
That Ref got left up in the mountains by all accounts.
By all accounts? I think you were the one taken for a ride ;D That Wicklow ref was just sitting on the back of his hatchback changing out of his gear, two players pushed him right in and closed the hatch door on him. The ref's son was sitting in the front seat and was obviously startled to feel/hear the loud thud. Probably the ordeal lasted 5 seconds and would have been labelled a harmless prank, a fast one, but the media got hold of the headline and 'Livelined' it. The headline has stuck in the national psyche ever since. For the ref, the truth was probably more embarrassing but the fable made him a legend.
For sure, no one would have been pushing that Leitrim Co Final ref into the back of any boot.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 18, 2021, 10:33:09 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 18, 2021, 10:32:22 AM
another brawl somwhere at the weekend video on ourgame
Derry.
That incident, that was a couple of days ago. All sorted now. Nothing to see here