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« Reply #9030 on: March 30, 2021, 10:29:42 PM »
Imagine getting beat by Luxembourg and drawing with Qatar in a few days. This really is the pits!
Kenny reminds me of Oran Kearney was decent manager in domestic leagues here but just not cut out for next step up.

These players don’t need an excuse not to perform and compete and he’s completely lost their respect & confidence. I can’t see any way he gets this team competitive again, it’s just time to get rid and go a different direction.

What player (or players) in the dressing room told you this?

Based on the standard of players available at the moment there's not alot Stephen Kenny can do. In the Luxembourg game last weekend only one player from both squads is playing in the Champions League and he scored the winner for Luxembourg and was unlucky not to score in the first half.

Ireland don't have anyone of his quality who can score a goal and that's a major problem. Sacking a manager won't help us score goals and it's not like Ireland were banging them in under McCarthy either.

The younger players are struggling and inexperienced and the more experienced players like Kendrick and Brady aren't standing up and showing leadership to help them

Use this campaign to blood younger players who can gain experience and hopefully can then have a shot at the Euros


They haven’t won a game in 10 games under kenny and some of them are against shockingly bad international teams, it’s  not a stretch to suggest players are low on confidence and beginning to think this gaffer hasn’t a clue.
This idea the grass is always greener when talking about previous managers is coming back to bite people. Ireland can’t play an attractive fluid style of football with players at their disposal but at least we were competitive in tough groups , qualified for major finals and were even competitive there. To go from that to this is just pathetic!
The guy is so far out of his depth.

Ireland haven't beaten anyone decent since the Italian reserves in the Euros under O'Neill. They did nothing under McCarthy and victories included beating the mighty Gibraltar 1-0 away and 2-0 at home in the last campaign. That's a team literally made up of part time footballers. Its ironic that alot of the fans criticising Kenny were probably saying how great Delaney was for buying pints when in reality his mismanagement has screwed up Irish football far worse than any manager ever could

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« Reply #9031 on: March 30, 2021, 11:02:29 PM »
Great cross by Christie at the end, almost created a goal. It was like the Monty Python sketch - finally figuring out how an Irish team should play. The thing is an Irish team should be able to whip in 20 good crosses in a game and make it uncomfortable for defenders. Passing around in the 1st two thirds of pitch when lacking the creativity to open up final third is Kenny’s problem. It’s predictable, slow, easy to defend against. And not even creating opportunities for the Troy Parrots of the world. And then how open they are when possession lost. We are a game or two away from an unmerciful hammering. But a few tweaks and all is not lost either. But he needs a more varied game. Study a few classic Irish goals from the past - many were balls whipped in, including McCarthy’s long throw against Russia in 88, McAtteer’s goal against Holland, Stapleton head from the Kevin O’Callaghan cross in the 3-3 draw with Spain under Hand, Quinn against England in Wembley, Robbie Brady against Italy in Euros. It’s old fashioned but that’s our DNA.

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« Reply #9032 on: March 30, 2021, 11:09:34 PM »
We are drawing with a bunch of plumbers. We haven’t the players

They are the Asian champions

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« Reply #9033 on: March 30, 2021, 11:13:11 PM »
Positives of that 3 game week
-Bazunu is now first choice. A gem and frightning at 19.
-O'Shea looks a long term replacement for Duffy.
- Its over

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« Reply #9034 on: March 30, 2021, 11:14:11 PM »


A Dynamo Kiev striker scored the winner past a Rochdale goalkeeper the other night

On loan from Man City who paid a million for him at 17...

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« Reply #9035 on: March 31, 2021, 07:34:26 AM »
We are drawing with a bunch of plumbers. We haven’t the players

They are the Asian champions
That’s like saying they are Lory Meagher champions. Hardly means they’re the gold standard

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« Reply #9036 on: March 31, 2021, 07:49:26 AM »
We are drawing with a bunch of plumbers. We haven’t the players

They are the Asian champions
That’s like saying they are Lory Meagher champions. Hardly means they’re the gold standard

So there is the “gold standard” and “a bunch of plumbers”, with nothing in between? Nuance is dead.

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« Reply #9037 on: March 31, 2021, 08:05:57 AM »
It's like the Dubs in the mid 00s.
Older players weren't good enough.
Psychology was poor. Young players adopted losing attitude. Losses added up
 It takes time to turn this kind of thing around
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« Reply #9038 on: March 31, 2021, 08:20:56 AM »
We are drawing with a bunch of plumbers. We haven’t the players

They are the Asian champions
That’s like saying they are Lory Meagher champions. Hardly means they’re the gold standard

So there is the “gold standard” and “a bunch of plumbers”, with nothing in between? Nuance is dead.
They’re not a bunch of plumbers but ffs they’re a poor side we should be thumping if we’d anything about us. There’s massive problems in Irish soccer and sacking Kenny won’t fix that.

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« Reply #9039 on: March 31, 2021, 08:35:58 AM »
We are drawing with a bunch of plumbers. We haven’t the players

They are the Asian champions
That’s like saying they are Lory Meagher champions. Hardly means they’re the gold standard

So there is the “gold standard” and “a bunch of plumbers”, with nothing in between? Nuance is dead.
They’re not a bunch of plumbers but ffs they’re a poor side we should be thumping if we’d anything about us. There’s massive problems in Irish soccer and sacking Kenny won’t fix that.

Agreed.

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« Reply #9040 on: March 31, 2021, 08:46:28 AM »
The main criticism I would have of Kenny is his insistence on playing out from the keeper when under a high press. This is just the latest fad that everyone is trying to do. Teams who do this well and successfully do it becuase they have better players than the team they are pressing, thats the whole point. Its the same in GAA, you press the kickout to force him to kick long because you have an advantage on a long kick out.

Ireland do not have better passing players than nearly any team at the moment. For me we should stop this nonsense of rolling the ball to a player inside the small box, kick out the ball (if there is a press), fight for it and win possession in midfield and then focus on breaking down the opposition defence - something else we are not good at.

The bottom line is we dont have the players anymore to qualify for tournaments and sacking Kenny is just stupid to be honest.

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« Reply #9041 on: March 31, 2021, 10:31:09 AM »
The last time things were this bad was 1968-71 when they didn't win a match. But there were no candyass opposition teams, they didn't play a team with a lower population and the Euros were serious.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2021/0329/1206780-four-year-run-of-results-spells-out-size-of-job-ahead/
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« Reply #9042 on: March 31, 2021, 10:41:47 AM »
The main criticism I would have of Kenny is his insistence on playing out from the keeper when under a high press. This is just the latest fad that everyone is trying to do. Teams who do this well and successfully do it becuase they have better players than the team they are pressing, thats the whole point. Its the same in GAA, you press the kickout to force him to kick long because you have an advantage on a long kick out.

Ireland do not have better passing players than nearly any team at the moment. For me we should stop this nonsense of rolling the ball to a player inside the small box, kick out the ball (if there is a press), fight for it and win possession in midfield and then focus on breaking down the opposition defence - something else we are not good at.

The bottom line is we dont have the players anymore to qualify for tournaments and sacking Kenny is just stupid to be honest.

So we just keep him for the next 10 yrs when it so clearly isnt working?
11 games is more than Micks last reign plus he had an additional 2 yrs before that knowing the job was his to prep
There are a lot of excuses floating around but at the end of the day the guy just isnt up to it.
We may not have the players to qualify but we are a lot better than the last 11 results would suggest. Talking Luxembourg and Qatar up is just getting embarrassing.
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« Reply #9043 on: March 31, 2021, 10:51:01 AM »
The main criticism I would have of Kenny is his insistence on playing out from the keeper when under a high press. This is just the latest fad that everyone is trying to do. Teams who do this well and successfully do it becuase they have better players than the team they are pressing, thats the whole point. Its the same in GAA, you press the kickout to force him to kick long because you have an advantage on a long kick out.

Ireland do not have better passing players than nearly any team at the moment. For me we should stop this nonsense of rolling the ball to a player inside the small box, kick out the ball (if there is a press), fight for it and win possession in midfield and then focus on breaking down the opposition defence - something else we are not good at.

The bottom line is we dont have the players anymore to qualify for tournaments and sacking Kenny is just stupid to be honest.

So we just keep him for the next 10 yrs when it so clearly isnt working?
11 games is more than Micks last reign plus he had an additional 2 yrs before that knowing the job was his to prep
There are a lot of excuses floating around but at the end of the day the guy just isnt up to it.
We may not have the players to qualify but we are a lot better than the last 11 results would suggest. Talking Luxembourg and Qatar up is just getting embarrassing.

How long did Stan get when he running around losing to Cyprus? Did he get the full campaign? This campaign is a write off. Leave him to it. Hopefully 11 superstars emerge over the next year or so.

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« Reply #9044 on: March 31, 2021, 10:59:09 AM »
The main criticism I would have of Kenny is his insistence on playing out from the keeper when under a high press. This is just the latest fad that everyone is trying to do. Teams who do this well and successfully do it becuase they have better players than the team they are pressing, thats the whole point. Its the same in GAA, you press the kickout to force him to kick long because you have an advantage on a long kick out.

Ireland do not have better passing players than nearly any team at the moment. For me we should stop this nonsense of rolling the ball to a player inside the small box, kick out the ball (if there is a press), fight for it and win possession in midfield and then focus on breaking down the opposition defence - something else we are not good at.

The bottom line is we dont have the players anymore to qualify for tournaments and sacking Kenny is just stupid to be honest.

So we just keep him for the next 10 yrs when it so clearly isnt working?
11 games is more than Micks last reign plus he had an additional 2 yrs before that knowing the job was his to prep
There are a lot of excuses floating around but at the end of the day the guy just isnt up to it.
We may not have the players to qualify but we are a lot better than the last 11 results would suggest. Talking Luxembourg and Qatar up is just getting embarrassing.

I didnt say keep him for 10 years.

Luxembourg were leading Portugal and lost only 1-3. The Lux of old would be bet 5 nil every time against a team like Portugal. They are not brilliant but its not the team of postmen that they once were. Qatar, I know nothing about, but they looked to have a few handy players last night. If you want to consider a real joke team I present you Gibraltar, a true old style amateur soccer team. How did Mick (suddenly the worlds best manager) get on against them?

 The truth is the standards are being raised in other countries and the standard in this country is going down big time.

I think it is a joke to keep blaming the manager for this although I do think he could and should tweak some of the things he is doing.