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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: April 27, 2021, 03:59:01 PM »
Surely if anything is to be done, it should be limiting the amount of money that a club can spend on transfers and wages. Probably ways around that too though.

If that meant billionaires looking instead to Europe to buy up clubs, and less foreign players coming to the PL, then so be it. I think that would actually be a good thing. More British/Irish players featuring in the PL

I watched highlights of the 1989 FA Cup final on youtube the other day.

Apart from Grobbelaar, there wasn't a single other player on either side who wasn't from Britain or Ireland. Managers too.

From an Irish point of view alone, you'd Houghton, Aldridge, Sheedy, Staunton and Whelan.

When's the last time any Irish man played in an FA Cup final?

Damian Delaney 5 year ago I think.
Unless you're including Northern Ireland, in which case Craig Cathcart 2 years ago.
Have to go back 8 years to find a winner. James McCarthy for Wigan.

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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: April 24, 2021, 08:02:31 AM »
Wins away to super league teams should count double 😎
how the feck could Arsenal and Spurs be considered Super? Two laughing stocks!
Arsenal have 3 times as many EPL wins as Liverpool

EPL?
Think about that one for a second.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 21, 2021, 09:16:43 PM »
There is certainly no premier league club who'd have turned down the opportunity to join a super league especially Leeds United so their antics last night were comical.

As for PSG the super league doesn't need them but PSG definitely needs the super league. Once the world cup is out of the way they'd be all over it. Bayern are the one super power who don't need it, biggest club in their league by a mile.
Everton wouldn't have, no way.

They actually generally have a bit of class and know their history and roots

Everton are owned by a billionaire from overseas, he's not an Everton fan. He's bought the club to make money, there is no logical reason why he or any other premier league would have turned it down. The only clubs who'd say no are fan owned clubs.
I don't think he bought Everton to make money.

united have lost their soul as a club. Everton are still in the main a club supported by local people

and I think you underestimate a lot of other clubs just because your own is interested in nothing but the pursuit of more money


Of course he didnít buy Everton to make money. There is zero chance he could achieve that. Most football clubs donít make any profit.  Itís a hobby for a person who doesnít need all the money he has.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 10:12:57 PM »
So much faux outrage over this from fans. They'll still watch and fork out whatever insane subscription fee is required to do so on DAZN or whatever and they'll still buy season tickets and the stadia will all be full. Until fans actually start voting with their wallets, no meaningful change will ever happen. Look at the state of so many Newcastle fans and prominent Newcastle journalists trying to argue that there's absolutely nothing wrong with MBS buying the club.

Perhaps United fans can buy some green and gold scarves again?

Fans donít want change. They want things to stay the way they are. The model where we can see 3rd tier Leicester City competing in the last 16 of the European Cup within 6 years.

Ffs. Third tier Leicester City who were bought by a Thai billionaire?!

So what? They still won the league having come from the 3rd tier. They still qualified for the champions league based on the results of actual football matches played in that season. The nationality or wealth of their deceased owner does not alter the relevance of that.
Fans want to believe that whatís happens on the pitch matters. This proposal says that it does not.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 09:07:44 PM »
More journalists are saying Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester City will be thrown out of this seasons Champions league. Will the cup be given to PSG if that happens. Won't make much sense as PSG will eventually join a Super League.
Also ManU and Arsenal out of the other yoke.

UEFA very keen to do this, but need to find a rule they can impose! If they do, there is some talk that rather than awarding PSG the trophy, they could re-instate Porto and Dortmund to play a semi, with winner playing PSG.

I wasnít listening with 100% attention, but the Palace chairman on Sky Sports seemed to say that the PSG chair and the UEFA chair are very close, hence PSG not joining the bandits.

Also PSG are tied to Bein Sports. Who have not been included in the party.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 09:59:44 AM »
Iím not really sure how FIFA/UEFA could interpret employment law in such a way that they can prevent players changing ďcodeĒ in either direction.

Iíd then expect it would be up to each individual FA to honour a gentlemanís agreement not to select the ďrenegadesĒ. Good luck with that one.

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This is going to happen folks.

But the better news is that thereís at least a 50:50 chance it will fall on its face within a few years.

The risks the clubs are taking:

1. That people will always tune into say Man Utd v Madrid, regardless of circumstance. Footballers are innately horrible bastards. So when theyíve nothing to play for, they donít try. And a competition with only one prize, and no relegation, would have dead rubbers once a quarter the season is gone, and half the games would be dead rubbers from the halfway point. Thatís not entertainment, and champions league viewing figures show that people donít tune into European dead rubbers.

2. That the players wonít just run their own coup on this one, and leave finances exactly as they are... or maybe worse. The new competition wonít have salary caps, and wonít have honour among clubs. Some like Mbappe could horse trade his way to a million a week. Which is okay. The problems will really happen when the Mbappe lites are claiming half a million a week to watch dead rubber games from the bench.

3. The leagues in Spain, England and Italy might continue to prosper without those 12 clubs. Now donít get me wrong they wouldnít have the same pulling power. But sponsorship and tv rights needs bidding wars to become lucrative. If the major car manufacturers are happy to be associated with national competitions, and then major investment banks the same, then there may not quite be the level of contributions for the new competition, as predicted.

This isn't even in question, in my option.
In England, games outside the Premier League get 130% of the combined attendances of the Premier League its self. Albeit spread across many many more games, and for much cheaper ticket prices. Nobody in Africa/Asia is interested in clubs outside the top few - but the people who actually go to the games are very much interested. I think these clubs are overplaying their hand. Of course they may realise this and it may all be about anchoring for bargaining power.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 09:26:53 AM »
Have to laugh at the fake hysteria. The same people making excuses for the premier league being the exact same thing as it was pre 1992 but only being rebranded, are the same people that claim Liverpool have only won the league once.
You couldnít make it up. Hypocrites. According to them, the ďPremier LeagueĒ is fine, but a big no no to the European super league.
The games gone

16 of the premier league's 22 founding members have been relegated since its foundation. 49 different clubs have played in it. It has it's flaws, but at least the results on the pitch matter.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 08:43:40 AM »
So much faux outrage over this from fans. They'll still watch and fork out whatever insane subscription fee is required to do so on DAZN or whatever and they'll still buy season tickets and the stadia will all be full. Until fans actually start voting with their wallets, no meaningful change will ever happen. Look at the state of so many Newcastle fans and prominent Newcastle journalists trying to argue that there's absolutely nothing wrong with MBS buying the club.

Perhaps United fans can buy some green and gold scarves again?

Fans donít want change. They want things to stay the way they are. The model where we can see 3rd tier Leicester City competing in the last 16 of the European Cup within 6 years.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 08:29:46 AM »
So this is to replace the CL then.

Biggest issue is obviously these 12 teams (+3) guaranteed entry every year.

Everything else will remain the same.

SKY/BT will be banging the drum loudly about how its hurting the other clubs/supporters/integrity etc when in reality they dont give a flying f**k.
Sky started all of this in the early 90's

And that is their motivation for the whole thing - at least from the perspective of the English 6. These owners have build their business models on being in Champions League every season. They have seen what has happened with Arsenal. They were in it every year. Now they are out (although they could qualify via Europa this season) and donít look like getting back in the top 4 any time soon. They see the likes of Everton and Villa with super wealthy owners now and are scared shitless than the 4 places will be diced up even thinner. FFP was supposed to protect them (despite what it said itís actual aims were) and has indeed slowed down these aspiring clubs. But it wonít hold them back forever. Clubs rise and fall. Thatís how it should be.
These owners want to ensure that they can never fall again.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 08:14:45 AM »
Klopp will be getting some grilling tomorrow after the game no matter the result. Be interesting to hear his views after what he said in 2019

Iím sure his views will be no different. Whether he expresses them or not is his call. This isnít his doing. Itís not on the managers of these clubs. Or the fans. There is no chance that any manager was sitting around their laptops for these zoom calls. Itís all on the owners.

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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: April 19, 2021, 07:13:31 AM »
fair play to gary neville, absolutely spot on.

The content was spot on but its hard to take serious when he spouts it sitting behind the microphone of an organisation that basically funded a break away league and both he and they continue to profit from doing so to this day.  Very much a case of holier than thou
bit different though, premier league isn't an invite only closed shop.

If thatís the only issue Iím sure it would be easily addressed. There are far bigger issues than simply no relegation.

It wonít be easily addressed. That is the main driver. These owners are scared shitless about being locked out of the champions league due to poor form. Like Arsenal currently. They want guaranteed revenue. If relegation is in place then Arsenal or Spurs are gone after one year - possibly never to return.

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General discussion / Re: Is FF gone as a party?
« on: April 15, 2021, 01:20:44 PM »

What sort of economic policy would SF run?
You wonít get an answer to that from a SF supporter.
Someone else is going to pay for it, so it really doesnít matter !

I look forward to seeing what they actually do. Theyíll be the biggest part after the next election, absent a complete collapse.
FF and FG should of course not go into coalition with them due to their diametrically opposed policies and strategies. So theyíll need to get the parties of the left to come together, if they donít get the overall majority. Thatíll be interesting.

Any economists out there like to describe the current FFG economic policy?

Well for example, today's news on economics includes:
- projected growth of 4.5% in the economy this year
- despite the damage wrought by Covid, the economy has been resilient and tax income has held up better than expected
- Modified Domestic Demand, which focuses on the domestic economy, is forecast to grow by 2.5% in 2021 and 7.5% next year

Wheres it all going?
What the SF line of "Just to the rich"?

Pre Covid we were as close to full employment as you can get. Probably would be full employment but our social welfare payments are well in excess of our nearest neighbours.

Pre Covid, the following stats would make very interesting reason and comparisons to other countries:
- % of people who go on regular foreign holidays
- % of people who eat out in a restaurant once a month or more
- % of people who subscribe to Netflix
- % of people who have a least 1 gaming system in the house
- % of people who have a car

I've a strong feeling we'd be high up.

Certainly the UN and other bodies who do "Best places to live" / "qualify of life" analysis, puts Ireland as almost always one of the Top 10 places in the world to live and often closer to the top. In the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, we'd scraping into the Top 50.

As I've said before, FF and FG are a long way from getting everything right, but by in large economic policy in the last 30 years has been pretty good, notwithstanding the crash.

So why are FF & FG at a lower combined total of the vote than they ever have had in history? We are amongst the happiest people on earth, we have a great economy yet we are turning away from the parties that delivered it? I am not sure this all stacks up Hound.
Why did 74 million Americans vote for Donald Trump to be their president?

But in an Irish context, I believe that mistakes get focussed on much more than successes. Some people say that FG and FF don't get criticised in the media. I think that's a load of nonsense and belongs on the conspiracy thread, similar to unionists saying nationalists get special favourable treatment from the PSNI.

You might get away with the odd thing here and there, but in general mistakes are front page news, they are analysed and scrutinised and there's lot of outrage and often exaggeration.  And (apart from the exaggeration piece if that happens) that's exactly what should happen. The government should be accountable for their mistakes.
But when they get stuff right, there's not a whole heap of credit going around, "they're doing their job". Those things I listed above seem to be taken for granted by a lot of people.

Economic policy over the last 3 decades has been very successful, when judged in totality. That's really unarguable, even though some very poor decisions were made by FF around the crash. And people in general would criticise the mistakes of the crash a lot more than give credit to the way the economy has gone since then. In particular in recent years they learned a lot from the mistakes of the crash which resulted in the economy surviving Covid a lot better than expected. But you see don't see too many headlines or social media posts about that.

From an academic viewpoint, I would be fascinated to see how a SF / left alliance would govern this country. I would worry (a lot) that they could jeopardise the economy and drive down employment levels, but maybe they wouldn't and it'd be interesting to see. But when I hear people say "well they can't do any worse than the current crowd", then I think "gobshite". Because certainly that's very possible!

Agree with most of that.
Of course SF could do worse. But I do think their ability to change anything dramatically would be limited. Certainly if they only got one term.  Iíve seen first hand how much power the departments have. Change happens at a snails pace, and only when they want it to. Ministers come and go and the civil servants know this. Theyíll have the attitude of ďweíll just wait this minister outĒ.

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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: April 11, 2021, 03:17:10 PM »
West Ham ainít hanging back

Flying. Champions league race is very interesting. Leicester looking over their shoulder now, but have a lovely run of 4 games coming up to steady themselves.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: April 11, 2021, 02:07:50 PM »
Clearly offside

Are you high

Iím  taking the piss, VAR has ruined things like goal celebrations and these Ďcloseí calls are a pain, but itís the same for everyone, Pool fans believe they are being shafted more than most

I think most fan bases feel the same, as one does not pay as much attention to when other clubs get done in the same way. Yesterdayís decision was ridiculous. But no different to how Villa got done in the last minute against West Ham when Watkins (thought he had) scored an equaliser. And Iím sure West Ham fans can tell a similar tale etc etc etc

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