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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: May 08, 2021, 02:32:57 PM »
Some finish to Championship season, Derby currently staying up but I'd not bet my house on it staying that way

Sickener for Rotherham. Looked like theyíd done enough. The Derby Wednesday game ended up being 12 minutes behind the Rotherham game. Changed the game theory dynamics involved.

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General discussion / Re: Landlordism 2.0
« on: May 07, 2021, 03:59:49 PM »
Kate O Connell not running in the by election, doesn't feel she has a chance of been the FG rep. I suppose thats happens when you isolate yourself by dissing your boss, dissing your party in public, making up stories, being a total un-regulated mouth-piece & bitch to your colleagues.
Maybe she can join the far left, people before profit crowd, but they smell to bad & probably don't own their own property. Nothing in common there. So who can confused Kate join?

Bet you a lump of turf she was bullied out?

Yeah, but she was no shrinking violet hereslf. Live by the sword die by the sword. In fairness the electrotate did speak last time out. Depriving her a seat at the Seanad smacks of grass roots "getting their own back"

She took a gamble. Didnít just back Coveney in leadership race but went all in against Varadker. It was a strategic play to put her in a strong position against Murphy, who was Varadkerís campaign manager so would have been set for a ministerial post if Varadker won. She had to know that FG keeping two seats was going to be a long shot.
She gambled. She lost.
I think she will be ok.

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General discussion / Re: Landlordism 2.0
« on: May 05, 2021, 03:40:44 PM »
Surely it's not that hard to bring in legislation that would prohibit or disincentivise people to own multiple properties.

Of course that might sound too much like socialism for the politicians in charge.

Has that not be done to an extent up here recently. You canít ofset your mortgage payments against the rental income anymore.  Is that the same in The south?

No it's not. the lowered the % you could offset, a few years ago. But they've actually brought it back up to 100%.

edit: I'm talking mortgage interest. which is I presume what you meant. you could hardly offset the actual payment of the capital in the North until recently?

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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: April 27, 2021, 09:10:45 PM »
35? Really?

Im struggling beyond a few Burnley players, Dallas, Long, Evans, Coleman, Hendrick and the Liverpool goalie.

The number is actually based on appearance in match day squad rather than appearance on field. So a few like Flynn (Leicester) and Odubeko (West Ham) are included. Bit misleading I guess.

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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: April 27, 2021, 07:06:02 PM »
Surely if anything is to be done, it should be limiting the amount of money that a club can spend on transfers and wages. Probably ways around that too though.

If that meant billionaires looking instead to Europe to buy up clubs, and less foreign players coming to the PL, then so be it. I think that would actually be a good thing. More British/Irish players featuring in the PL

I watched highlights of the 1989 FA Cup final on youtube the other day.

Apart from Grobbelaar, there wasn't a single other player on either side who wasn't from Britain or Ireland. Managers too.

From an Irish point of view alone, you'd Houghton, Aldridge, Sheedy, Staunton and Whelan.

When's the last time any Irish man played in an FA Cup final?

1979 FA Cup final: Arsenal v Man Utd. There were 5 from NI starting, 3 from ROI. And Arsenalís manager from NI. There were also 5 Scots.

Would there even be 8 NI/ROI players in total in the PL this season?

35 (28 + 7). But youíd be forgiven for not realising.

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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: April 27, 2021, 03:59:01 PM »
Surely if anything is to be done, it should be limiting the amount of money that a club can spend on transfers and wages. Probably ways around that too though.

If that meant billionaires looking instead to Europe to buy up clubs, and less foreign players coming to the PL, then so be it. I think that would actually be a good thing. More British/Irish players featuring in the PL

I watched highlights of the 1989 FA Cup final on youtube the other day.

Apart from Grobbelaar, there wasn't a single other player on either side who wasn't from Britain or Ireland. Managers too.

From an Irish point of view alone, you'd Houghton, Aldridge, Sheedy, Staunton and Whelan.

When's the last time any Irish man played in an FA Cup final?

Damian Delaney 5 year ago I think.
Unless you're including Northern Ireland, in which case Craig Cathcart 2 years ago.
Have to go back 8 years to find a winner. James McCarthy for Wigan.

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General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
« on: April 24, 2021, 08:02:31 AM »
Wins away to super league teams should count double 😎
how the feck could Arsenal and Spurs be considered Super? Two laughing stocks!
Arsenal have 3 times as many EPL wins as Liverpool

EPL?
Think about that one for a second.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 21, 2021, 09:16:43 PM »
There is certainly no premier league club who'd have turned down the opportunity to join a super league especially Leeds United so their antics last night were comical.

As for PSG the super league doesn't need them but PSG definitely needs the super league. Once the world cup is out of the way they'd be all over it. Bayern are the one super power who don't need it, biggest club in their league by a mile.
Everton wouldn't have, no way.

They actually generally have a bit of class and know their history and roots

Everton are owned by a billionaire from overseas, he's not an Everton fan. He's bought the club to make money, there is no logical reason why he or any other premier league would have turned it down. The only clubs who'd say no are fan owned clubs.
I don't think he bought Everton to make money.

united have lost their soul as a club. Everton are still in the main a club supported by local people

and I think you underestimate a lot of other clubs just because your own is interested in nothing but the pursuit of more money


Of course he didnít buy Everton to make money. There is zero chance he could achieve that. Most football clubs donít make any profit.  Itís a hobby for a person who doesnít need all the money he has.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 10:12:57 PM »
So much faux outrage over this from fans. They'll still watch and fork out whatever insane subscription fee is required to do so on DAZN or whatever and they'll still buy season tickets and the stadia will all be full. Until fans actually start voting with their wallets, no meaningful change will ever happen. Look at the state of so many Newcastle fans and prominent Newcastle journalists trying to argue that there's absolutely nothing wrong with MBS buying the club.

Perhaps United fans can buy some green and gold scarves again?

Fans donít want change. They want things to stay the way they are. The model where we can see 3rd tier Leicester City competing in the last 16 of the European Cup within 6 years.

Ffs. Third tier Leicester City who were bought by a Thai billionaire?!

So what? They still won the league having come from the 3rd tier. They still qualified for the champions league based on the results of actual football matches played in that season. The nationality or wealth of their deceased owner does not alter the relevance of that.
Fans want to believe that whatís happens on the pitch matters. This proposal says that it does not.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 09:07:44 PM »
More journalists are saying Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester City will be thrown out of this seasons Champions league. Will the cup be given to PSG if that happens. Won't make much sense as PSG will eventually join a Super League.
Also ManU and Arsenal out of the other yoke.

UEFA very keen to do this, but need to find a rule they can impose! If they do, there is some talk that rather than awarding PSG the trophy, they could re-instate Porto and Dortmund to play a semi, with winner playing PSG.

I wasnít listening with 100% attention, but the Palace chairman on Sky Sports seemed to say that the PSG chair and the UEFA chair are very close, hence PSG not joining the bandits.

Also PSG are tied to Bein Sports. Who have not been included in the party.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 09:59:44 AM »
Iím not really sure how FIFA/UEFA could interpret employment law in such a way that they can prevent players changing ďcodeĒ in either direction.

Iíd then expect it would be up to each individual FA to honour a gentlemanís agreement not to select the ďrenegadesĒ. Good luck with that one.

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This is going to happen folks.

But the better news is that thereís at least a 50:50 chance it will fall on its face within a few years.

The risks the clubs are taking:

1. That people will always tune into say Man Utd v Madrid, regardless of circumstance. Footballers are innately horrible bastards. So when theyíve nothing to play for, they donít try. And a competition with only one prize, and no relegation, would have dead rubbers once a quarter the season is gone, and half the games would be dead rubbers from the halfway point. Thatís not entertainment, and champions league viewing figures show that people donít tune into European dead rubbers.

2. That the players wonít just run their own coup on this one, and leave finances exactly as they are... or maybe worse. The new competition wonít have salary caps, and wonít have honour among clubs. Some like Mbappe could horse trade his way to a million a week. Which is okay. The problems will really happen when the Mbappe lites are claiming half a million a week to watch dead rubber games from the bench.

3. The leagues in Spain, England and Italy might continue to prosper without those 12 clubs. Now donít get me wrong they wouldnít have the same pulling power. But sponsorship and tv rights needs bidding wars to become lucrative. If the major car manufacturers are happy to be associated with national competitions, and then major investment banks the same, then there may not quite be the level of contributions for the new competition, as predicted.

This isn't even in question, in my option.
In England, games outside the Premier League get 130% of the combined attendances of the Premier League its self. Albeit spread across many many more games, and for much cheaper ticket prices. Nobody in Africa/Asia is interested in clubs outside the top few - but the people who actually go to the games are very much interested. I think these clubs are overplaying their hand. Of course they may realise this and it may all be about anchoring for bargaining power.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 09:26:53 AM »
Have to laugh at the fake hysteria. The same people making excuses for the premier league being the exact same thing as it was pre 1992 but only being rebranded, are the same people that claim Liverpool have only won the league once.
You couldnít make it up. Hypocrites. According to them, the ďPremier LeagueĒ is fine, but a big no no to the European super league.
The games gone

16 of the premier league's 22 founding members have been relegated since its foundation. 49 different clubs have played in it. It has it's flaws, but at least the results on the pitch matter.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 08:43:40 AM »
So much faux outrage over this from fans. They'll still watch and fork out whatever insane subscription fee is required to do so on DAZN or whatever and they'll still buy season tickets and the stadia will all be full. Until fans actually start voting with their wallets, no meaningful change will ever happen. Look at the state of so many Newcastle fans and prominent Newcastle journalists trying to argue that there's absolutely nothing wrong with MBS buying the club.

Perhaps United fans can buy some green and gold scarves again?

Fans donít want change. They want things to stay the way they are. The model where we can see 3rd tier Leicester City competing in the last 16 of the European Cup within 6 years.

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General discussion / Re: European Super League
« on: April 19, 2021, 08:29:46 AM »
So this is to replace the CL then.

Biggest issue is obviously these 12 teams (+3) guaranteed entry every year.

Everything else will remain the same.

SKY/BT will be banging the drum loudly about how its hurting the other clubs/supporters/integrity etc when in reality they dont give a flying f**k.
Sky started all of this in the early 90's

And that is their motivation for the whole thing - at least from the perspective of the English 6. These owners have build their business models on being in Champions League every season. They have seen what has happened with Arsenal. They were in it every year. Now they are out (although they could qualify via Europa this season) and donít look like getting back in the top 4 any time soon. They see the likes of Everton and Villa with super wealthy owners now and are scared shitless than the 4 places will be diced up even thinner. FFP was supposed to protect them (despite what it said itís actual aims were) and has indeed slowed down these aspiring clubs. But it wonít hold them back forever. Clubs rise and fall. Thatís how it should be.
These owners want to ensure that they can never fall again.

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