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« Reply #20835 on: May 03, 2021, 10:46:21 PM »
Just said we would have no sporT without them ?

Youíre questioning their fitness..

Weíve had beep tests every year, but now you come on at question their ability to keep up with play?

Iíd like to see you carry out the beep test
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« Reply #20836 on: May 03, 2021, 11:03:20 PM »
I canít wait to shout a load of abuse at MR2

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« Reply #20837 on: May 03, 2021, 11:04:47 PM »
I canít wait to shout a load of abuse at MR2

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« Reply #20838 on: May 04, 2021, 08:54:39 AM »
Indeed there would not be, therefore being a constant detractor and jumping on any criticism possible is hardly the way to retain and recruit more refs

You do make a good point however, players can be subbed and often are especially as games enter extra time in championship games, why don't we give a bit of credit to those refs still up with the game at those stages

Just said we would have no sporT without them ?


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« Reply #20839 on: May 04, 2021, 09:14:43 AM »
Look Refs are
Needed for the sport
Do a difficult Job
R honest and fair

Nothing neGativ there

Just concerned that after such A long lay off they will b blowing out their ...... in the first Few Gsmes and will need some Slack

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« Reply #20840 on: May 04, 2021, 09:36:07 AM »
Ok, point taken, however there will be a lot of refs who will have been looking after themselves also

As you said cut MR2 a bit of slack, I have heard whilst he may not be blowing out of his a** he certainly talks out of it  ;) ;)

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« Reply #20841 on: May 04, 2021, 12:41:14 PM »
Very defensive of refs on this forum. I mentioned a couple of years back something i wasnt happy about a ref doing and got completely lambasted on here for it. whilst they should be owed the most credit for their participation in our games they shouldnt be exempt from any scrutiny. Players, managers and comittees get all forms of criticism on here and opinions are shared across the board, but this notion that you cant say anything to or about a ref has to stop. reminds me of the priests in the 70s where you darent of said a word about them....

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« Reply #20842 on: May 04, 2021, 12:45:19 PM »
Ok, point taken, however there will be a lot of refs who will have been looking after themselves also

As you said cut MR2 a bit of slack, I have heard whilst he may not be blowing out of his a** he certainly talks out of it  ;) ;)

Like I said there is generally a beep test every year and those that pass will get the championship games and those that don't will not be getting those games, there is no promotion or relegation this year so the intensity will be held for the Championship and local derby games.

The rules test this year was a timed online test, 50 questions in 30 minutes with a very high pass mark required, I would assume coming closer to Championship that the Ref comm. will have us doing the beep test, the intercounty ones will have no doubt carried theirs out already.

As for keeping up with play, the ref is usually a lot closer to the play that the spectator behind the fence  ;)

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« Reply #20843 on: May 04, 2021, 12:48:41 PM »
Very defensive of refs on this forum. I mentioned a couple of years back something i wasnt happy about a ref doing and got completely lambasted on here for it. whilst they should be owed the most credit for their participation in our games they shouldnt be exempt from any scrutiny. Players, managers and comittees get all forms of criticism on here and opinions are shared across the board, but this notion that you cant say anything to or about a ref has to stop. reminds me of the priests in the 70s where you darent of said a word about them....

Seriously? What an analogy...

Ref's are accountable and have been since we brought in assessors, their games are assessed and either feedback on the day or email sent. We could certainly do with more assessors and more assessments but games are reviewed
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« Reply #20844 on: May 04, 2021, 12:52:46 PM »
Very defensive of refs on this forum. I mentioned a couple of years back something i wasnt happy about a ref doing and got completely lambasted on here for it. whilst they should be owed the most credit for their participation in our games they shouldnt be exempt from any scrutiny. Players, managers and comittees get all forms of criticism on here and opinions are shared across the board, but this notion that you cant say anything to or about a ref has to stop. reminds me of the priests in the 70s where you darent of said a word about them....

Not my intention Rodger, my point was that there are comments and prejudices being made in respect of fitness etc, when it comes to the business end of the season it was always be a ref capable of staying with play who is appointed to the games, for the leagues etc and down the ages unfortunately I think it is a case of make the best of what we have.

When it comes to making comments on referees performances I also have no problem with these as long as they are fair and balanced, people will forget three 'easy' frees their free taker may have missed but remember the 'soft' free a ref gave to defeat them by a point, criticism is as valuable as praise as long as it is handed out in a fair, consistent and balanced manner

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« Reply #20845 on: May 04, 2021, 02:25:46 PM »
The problem I have with refs, is not the individual per say, but the inconsistent application of the rules. Take the prominent Raskarkin ref who does allow more physical contact, then the up coming ref from Tir na nog who blows everything like a non contact sport. Totally frustrating. There has to be something fundamentally wrong when there is such a variance. Apparently both came through the ranks based on these assessors, like seriously. In saying that I would take the Raskarkin refs approach all day long.

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« Reply #20846 on: May 04, 2021, 02:35:21 PM »
The problem may lie with the assessors, I have seen two assessment reports for two different games from Ulster for one of our inter county refs, one was saying that he was letting too much go and to blow everything early and the latter was saying the tackle must be allowed to develop more............seems a no win situation

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« Reply #20847 on: May 04, 2021, 02:36:45 PM »
The problem I have with refs, is not the individual per say, but the inconsistent application of the rules. Take the prominent Raskarkin ref who does allow more physical contact, then the up coming ref from Tir na nog who blows everything like a non contact sport. Totally frustrating. There has to be something fundamentally wrong when there is such a variance. Apparently both came through the ranks based on these assessors, like seriously. In saying that I would take the Raskarkin refs approach all day long.

This is one thing (can debate how significant) that is holding Antrim back at the intercounty level. Our games need to be a lot more physical, but not thuggish if we are going to develop players who can handle the white hot heat of intercounty championship

Growing up we would have watched a lot of Derry and Tryone football and it was hell for leather.
When you watch an Antrim game, the intensity levels were well down.

Too picky a ref doesn't help players, too lenient and you open the door for thuggish play.

Who would want to be a ref

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« Reply #20848 on: May 04, 2021, 03:00:00 PM »
The problem I have with refs, is not the individual per say, but the inconsistent application of the rules. Take the prominent Raskarkin ref who does allow more physical contact, then the up coming ref from Tir na nog who blows everything like a non contact sport. Totally frustrating. There has to be something fundamentally wrong when there is such a variance. Apparently both came through the ranks based on these assessors, like seriously. In saying that I would take the Raskarkin refs approach all day long.

This is one thing (can debate how significant) that is holding Antrim back at the intercounty level. Our games need to be a lot more physical, but not thuggish if we are going to develop players who can handle the white hot heat of intercounty championship

Growing up we would have watched a lot of Derry and Tryone football and it was hell for leather.
When you watch an Antrim game, the intensity levels were well down.

Too picky a ref doesn't help players, too lenient and you open the door for thuggish play.

Who would want to be a ref

The players dictate the pace and style I feel. If two teams want to go at it and play within the rules then happy days, the problem is players taking a hard tackle and seeking revenge, this normal spills over and the cry is "For flip sake ref, you caused that"

Its a no win situation.

Its the referees interpretation of the rules, not the supporters or the teams or the manager who is trying to referee it from the sideline, the variance comes from a lot factors, how they see the game, how they apply the rules, how they played the game. If we stuck to the letter of the law in relation to the rules the the consistency will be there, it would also be basically a non contact sport with not too many players at the end of the game ;)
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« Reply #20849 on: May 04, 2021, 03:10:58 PM »
The thing I have always struggled with is the notion of a 'soft free', if a player is fouled by say a tug of the jersey and slowed down should this not be a free or is the ref being too picky? Does a man have to be half maimed for a free? As MR2 said al too often a ref is perceived to have caused an injury due to not being in control, therefore where is the line drawn?

@Dunsilly King, it is interesting that you have chose two SW referees for your example of evil v good, have they wronged you or your club or something?
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