A tough test for Mayo, especially given the current injury situation and our continued inability to score points outside of 30-35 yards.
Monaghan had Twelve plus wides and Four shots dropped into goalkeepers hands V Derry, unlikely to repeat this.
Granted Monaghan were opened up Two or Three times for goals, however they are a hardened outfit that have been on the road for a while.
Donie Buckley could also be a factor.
Other than Mayo, I always like to see them win, as I have seen them losing too many big games to Tyrone in Croke Park in the last decade. I also have enormous respect for Conor McManus and a few others on that team.
Just looked the odds for this game, Monaghan +3 at 5/6 jumps off the screen.
Most of them wides were not great shot selections. It was the ball that hit the post that hurt the most, instead of going within 2 points of Derry, they grabbed the ball with a frenzy and inside of a few seconds it was in the back of the monaghan net. I hope the Mayo lads will be a bit more chilled.
In the league game in Clones, Monaghan hit a lot of bad wides and dropped shots short, so it seems to be a bit of a habit. Mayo almost didn their usual party piece of gifting them a goal with last play, but got away with it.
Mon could easily have won that game, so will be interesting to see if either team has managed to eradicate the usual failings.
I was hoping we'd draw an Ulster team, reason being if we're good enough to take one out then great, if not then so be it. Lots of rumours circling in the county regarding injuries etc. I for one hope they aren't as bad as made out to be.
We're not pure North, we can swing both ways, north and south.
It's the nordie teams who have been the death of Monaghan in the championship, in recent years we have done ok against Kerry Galway and Kildare. Mayo should bring out the finer points of our game.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 23, 2022, 08:19:28 PM
I was hoping we'd draw an Ulster team, reason being if we're good enough to take one out then great, if not then so be it. Lots of rumours circling in the county regarding injuries etc. I for one hope they aren't as bad as made out to be.
Yes, I was hoping for the same! If we are good enough - great! If not - this is the stage to be exiting! I have stuff to be doing this summer.
I always feel with Monaghan they're a league team and underachieve come championship. Understandable given their population and outstanding league record for a county that size.
We'll know more where they're at after Derry Donegal.
there's never a better time for monaghan to take on mayo .
Our injury situation is almost comical esp with the number of experienced player that have left the panel in the last couple of years.
by my count were down probably 8 probable starters and a couple of more hopefully back after serious injury though probably not at full speed yet
definetly / Probably out
Robble hennelly
O mullin
B harrison
plunket
conroy
O donohue
flynn
B walsh
james carr
id be happy enough Mayo will have a strong starting 15 all the same but at some stage teh pool will stat to get very shallow
I take Monaghan to win this one, Just think they got better forwards.
Monaghan are so unpredictable and inconsistent even this years league showed that with beating Dublin and well beaten by Kildare. Under Banty they are more open defensively and less tactical aware than they were under O'Rourke and I think if Monaghan defend like they did against Derry whereby 3 goals was conceded could have been more i think Mayo will win.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 24, 2022, 02:44:57 PM
there's never a better time for monaghan to take on mayo .
Our injury situation is almost comical esp with the number of experienced player that have left the panel in the last couple of years.
by my count were down probably 8 probable starters and a couple of more hopefully back after serious injury though probably not at full speed yet
definetly / Probably out
Robble hennelly
O mullin
B harrison
plunket
conroy
O donohue
flynn
B walsh
james carr
id be happy enough Mayo will have a strong starting 15 all the same but at some stage teh pool will stat to get very shallow
I heard somewhere Hennelly played in a challenge against Cavan. But yeah, there's only so far we can go with the amount of injuries we have.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 24, 2022, 11:16:40 PM
Monaghan are so unpredictable and inconsistent even this years league showed that with beating Dublin and well beaten by Kildare. Under Banty they are more open defensively and less tactical aware than they were under O'Rourke and I think if Monaghan defend like they did against Derry whereby 3 goals was conceded could have been more i think Mayo will win.
Unpredictable and tactically naive under Saint Malachy as well, lost to Fermanagh, Longford, collapsed after being well ahead against Down and Cavan, across 4 different championships and all when well fancied to win.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2022, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 24, 2022, 11:16:40 PM
Monaghan are so unpredictable and inconsistent even this years league showed that with beating Dublin and well beaten by Kildare. Under Banty they are more open defensively and less tactical aware than they were under O'Rourke and I think if Monaghan defend like they did against Derry whereby 3 goals was conceded could have been more i think Mayo will win.
Unpredictable and tactically naive under Saint Malachy as well, lost to Fermanagh, Longford, collapsed after being well ahead against Down and Cavan, across 4 different championships and all when well fancied to win.
Yes he had his fair share of poor results against teams Monaghan was expected to beat though in the first three years under O'Rourke brought about three Ulster finals in a row, two titles and conceding just one goal in I think 10 Ulster championship games was a consistent period and of course 2018 reaching the All Ireland semi final was probably a peak.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 25, 2022, 01:08:50 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2022, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 24, 2022, 11:16:40 PM
Monaghan are so unpredictable and inconsistent even this years league showed that with beating Dublin and well beaten by Kildare. Under Banty they are more open defensively and less tactical aware than they were under O'Rourke and I think if Monaghan defend like they did against Derry whereby 3 goals was conceded could have been more i think Mayo will win.
Unpredictable and tactically naive under Saint Malachy as well, lost to Fermanagh, Longford, collapsed after being well ahead against Down and Cavan, across 4 different championships and all when well fancied to win.
Yes he had his fair share of poor results against teams Monaghan was expected to beat though in the first three years under O'Rourke brought about three Ulster finals in a row, two titles and conceding just one goal in I think 10 Ulster championship games was a consistent period and of course 2018 reaching the All Ireland semi final was probably a peak.
It's all about timing. Monaghan don't have the luxury of time with a good team. In the Nudie era they couldn't get past Kerry. The 2013 team came up against financially doped Dublin. Last year might have been a chance another time but it was too late. Would Monaghan at their peak have beaten Mayo in that final ?
most people seem to consider mayo and Monaghan as being similar teams over the last decade or so but the stats just dont back that up Monaghan have not reaced even an allIreland semi and just a couple of ulsters .
in that time at the business end mayo have beaten Dublin Tyrone Donegal kerry Galway Roscommon (and Tipp) and while of course not winning finals bring Dublin in their prime to a replay.
Monaghan havea long way to go to match that , and while as i explained before this is probably their best chance to beat mayo i dont see them improving on that record this year
No Mayo generally speaking are better though remains to be seen if that is the case this year. Monaghan used to be greater than the sum of their parts but against Derry I thought their tactics were very wrong and they were worse than the sum of their parts.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
most people seem to consider mayo and Monaghan as being similar teams over the last decade or so but the stats just dont back that up Monaghan have not reaced even an allIreland semi and just a couple of ulsters .
I'd usually be the first to try get the boot into Monaghan, but I'll point out that they reached an AI semi in 2018. I would say though that those Ulsters are well in the past now. 7 seasons have passed since they won it.
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2022, 07:02:33 AM
It's all about timing. Monaghan don't have the luxury of time with a good team. In the Nudie era they couldn't get past Kerry. The 2013 team came up against financially doped Dublin. Last year might have been a chance another time but it was too late. Would Monaghan at their peak have beaten Mayo in that final ?
Monaghan couldn't get past Tyrone in Croke Park never mind Dublin.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
most people seem to consider mayo and Monaghan as being similar teams over the last decade or so but the stats just dont back that up Monaghan have not reaced even an allIreland semi and just a couple of ulsters .
in that time at the business end mayo have beaten Dublin Tyrone Donegal kerry Galway Roscommon (and Tipp) and while of course not winning finals bring Dublin in their prime to a replay.
Monaghan havea long way to go to match that , and while as i explained before this is probably their best chance to beat mayo i dont see them improving on that record this year
Both have overachieved while regularly falling short when it mattered?
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
most people seem to consider mayo and Monaghan as being similar teams over the last decade or so but the stats just dont back that up Monaghan have not reaced even an allIreland semi and just a couple of ulsters .
in that time at the business end mayo have beaten Dublin Tyrone Donegal kerry Galway Roscommon (and Tipp) and while of course not winning finals bring Dublin in their prime to a replay.
Monaghan havea long way to go to match that , and while as i explained before this is probably their best chance to beat mayo i dont see them improving on that record this year
In all likelihood most people don't have that opinion.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
most people seem to consider mayo and Monaghan as being similar teams over the last decade or so but the stats just dont back that up Monaghan have not reaced even an allIreland semi and just a couple of ulsters .
in that time at the business end mayo have beaten Dublin Tyrone Donegal kerry Galway Roscommon (and Tipp) and while of course not winning finals bring Dublin in their prime to a replay.
Monaghan havea long way to go to match that , and while as i explained before this is probably their best chance to beat mayo i dont see them improving on that record this year
Name one on here?
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
most people seem to consider mayo and Monaghan as being similar teams over the last decade or so but the stats just dont back that up Monaghan have not reaced even an allIreland semi and just a couple of ulsters .
in that time at the business end mayo have beaten Dublin Tyrone Donegal kerry Galway Roscommon (and Tipp) and while of course not winning finals bring Dublin in their prime to a replay.
Monaghan havea long way to go to match that , and while as i explained before this is probably their best chance to beat mayo i dont see them improving on that record this year
Not sure how you have come to that conclusion.
Monaghan a county of a population of a little over 60,000 overachieved to win 2 Ulster's in three years. Overachieved to top their super 8 group in 2018 that included Galway, Kerry and have overachieved by staying up in Division 1 for 8th consecutive years. If Monaghan win this game and reach the last 8 before making their exit it will be considered a good year. If Mayo win and don't at least reach the All-Ireland semi final it will be considered a poor year.
on this page alone Wildweasel74, greatpoint and seafoid , all venerable posters, seem to be of that belief .
Greatpoint says both fallen short when it matters as though there was some kind of Equality in not qualifying for Semi-finals and Just failing to win Finals but they are more inclined to lose long before 'It matters' compared to mayo.
Monaghan have some wonderful players like Mccarron Mcmanus the hughes's and the player may may have most to fear from is Yong Mohan . they hate that bullocking type of player like Comer or michael murphy
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 25, 2022, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
most people seem to consider mayo and Monaghan as being similar teams over the last decade or so but the stats just dont back that up Monaghan have not reaced even an allIreland semi and just a couple of ulsters .
in that time at the business end mayo have beaten Dublin Tyrone Donegal kerry Galway Roscommon (and Tipp) and while of course not winning finals bring Dublin in their prime to a replay.
Monaghan havea long way to go to match that , and while as i explained before this is probably their best chance to beat mayo i dont see them improving on that record this year
Not sure how you have come to that conclusion.
Monaghan a county of a population of a little over 60,000 overachieved to win 2 Ulster's in three years. Overachieved to top their super 8 group in 2018 that included Galway, Kerry and have overachieved by staying up in Division 1 for 8th consecutive years. If Monaghan win this game and reach the last 8 before making their exit it will be considered a good year. If Mayo win and don't at least reach the All-Ireland semi final it will be considered a poor year.
what do you mean overachieved? they have been hanging around the top table for a long time now any success they gt is well due but so far they have failed to take the next step into being genuine challangers .
the result against Mayo will not change that
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2022, 03:48:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 25, 2022, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
most people seem to consider mayo and Monaghan as being similar teams over the last decade or so but the stats just dont back that up Monaghan have not reaced even an allIreland semi and just a couple of ulsters .
in that time at the business end mayo have beaten Dublin Tyrone Donegal kerry Galway Roscommon (and Tipp) and while of course not winning finals bring Dublin in their prime to a replay.
Monaghan havea long way to go to match that , and while as i explained before this is probably their best chance to beat mayo i dont see them improving on that record this year
Not sure how you have come to that conclusion.
Monaghan a county of a population of a little over 60,000 overachieved to win 2 Ulster's in three years. Overachieved to top their super 8 group in 2018 that included Galway, Kerry and have overachieved by staying up in Division 1 for 8th consecutive years. If Monaghan win this game and reach the last 8 before making their exit it will be considered a good year. If Mayo win and don't at least reach the All-Ireland semi final it will be considered a poor year.
what do you mean overachieved? they have been hanging around the top table for a long time now any success they gt is well due but so far they have failed to take the next step into being genuine challangers .
the result against Mayo will not change that
Size and sources of Monaghan few including many of their own expected Monaghan to achieve what they have done over the last decade. It has been no failure when the All-Ireland semi final they reached in 2018 was probably their ceiling.
In the inner sanctum of the county there exists the belief that we have often underachieved. that we should have had more success. Div 1 status is definitely good but mainly as a platform to do well in the championship.
I just said Monaghan have better forwards than Mayo, they have, hence I think they win nxt weekend. Where Monaghan of yrs gone by on par with Mayo. No, Mayo played in multi All-Ireland finals and were the only team fit to match up to Dublin, with 2 better fowards they won a couple of All-Irelands. Def should had one, for a scorable free not called against J Small late on in one final which ended in a draw.
With you on that . any close game like that always have a few crucial moment be a bad refeeree decision or an injury or Outrageous fortune on one side or the other
but you just have to accept that.
I can accept a team overachieved if they are one hit wonders not to be seeing at near that level again like Down 2010 or tipp twice in recent time but when you knocking about for 10-12 years i could not accept that as an excuse .
O'rourke was a fantastic manager. I don't think Banty is that same level. He is cute but I don't think he has it tactically to beat the big teams when it counts.
Mayo will run all day. A pity neither team managed to win Sam.
The last 9 years (2013 to 2021) Monaghan have reached the last 8 four times and the All-Ireland semi finals once in majority of those games they were competitive. Plenty of counties with bigger populations or the likes of Down, Meath, Cork with a tradition or history of reaching All Ireland finals have not performed like Monaghan in the championship the last decade.
Furthermore and to highlight the improvement Monaghan have made the previous 9 years 2004 to 2012 only once (2007) did Monaghan reach the last 8 of the championship.
On the topic better of forwards, well forwards are only as good as the time and space given to them and Mayo have good man markers. The way I've seen Monaghan play this year it would be ideal team for Mayo to play as under Banty they don't seem to put much focus on keeping things tight at the back and goals are much easier got against them than other Div 1 sides.
Time for Jack McCarron to have a massive championship game against genuine Tier 1 opposition. He's done it in the league manys the time, and in important league games, but now is the time to shine on the bigger stage.
Quote from: Hound on May 26, 2022, 03:11:59 PM
Time for Jack McCarron to have a massive championship game against genuine Tier 1 opposition. He's done it in the league manys the time, and in important league games, but now is the time to shine on the bigger stage.
Jack's playing career has been plagued by serious and recurring injuries. He doesn't owe anything more to the game in order to prove some questions about his mettle.
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2022, 11:13:57 AM
Mayo will run all day. A pity neither team have yet managed to win Sam.
Fixed that for you
You'd have to fancy Mayo here but there is talk of injuries, be interesting to get team news later in week
Yes, lots of injuries. Ryan O'Donoghue is out with a groin strain, Michael Plunkett broke his leg. Jason Doherty came back from long term injury, got injured again but is now supposed to be back but still rumours that hes not fully right. Cillian O'Connor has played one competitive game in almost 12 months, Rob Hennelly might be back, Oisin Mullen doubtful, Paddy Durcan was injured but might be back as well.
Mattie Ruane got a knock and Jordan Flynn is still recovering from a broken ankle.
Lucky to field a team at this rate. Anyway I dont think either team is going anywhere this year so its a bit of a nothing game in the scheme of the All Ireland winnder.
Quote from: iorras on May 30, 2022, 11:48:15 PM
Yes, lots of injuries. Ryan O'Donoghue is out with a groin strain, Michael Plunkett broke his leg. Jason Doherty came back from long term injury, got injured again but is now supposed to be back but still rumours that hes not fully right. Cillian O'Connor has played one competitive game in almost 12 months, Rob Hennelly might be back, Oisin Mullen doubtful, Paddy Durcan was injured but might be back as well.
Mattie Ruane got a knock and Jordan Flynn is still recovering from a broken ankle.
Lucky to field a team at this rate. Anyway I dont think either team is going anywhere this year so its a bit of a nothing game in the scheme of the All Ireland winnder.
With an injury list like that Monaghan may have a very good chance. O'Connor needs a big game here
Quote from: iorras on May 30, 2022, 11:48:15 PM
Yes, lots of injuries. Ryan O'Donoghue is out with a groin strain, Michael Plunkett broke his leg. Jason Doherty came back from long term injury, got injured again but is now supposed to be back but still rumours that hes not fully right. Cillian O'Connor has played one competitive game in almost 12 months, Rob Hennelly might be back, Oisin Mullen doubtful, Paddy Durcan was injured but might be back as well.
Mattie Ruane got a knock and Jordan Flynn is still recovering from a broken ankle.
Lucky to field a team at this rate. Anyway I dont think either team is going anywhere this year so its a bit of a nothing game in the scheme of the All Ireland winnder.
A lot of 'buts' and 'mights' in there!
A bit of Fergie talk in there me thinks ;D
This one could go either way. Best time for Monaghan to get Mayo before they build up a head of steam. It should be very interesting. I suspect it may be better than Tyrone Armagh.
I don't think I ever remember (i was too young in the 70's and early 80's) a build up to a Mayo match where our supporters were so pessimistic.
Once we get behind in this match and McHale falls silent this could get nasty.
Monaghan by at least 5 points.
Hope I'm wrong and I hope the players prove me / us all wrong.
Monaghan will win if Banty doesn't get in their way
Quote from: highorlow on May 31, 2022, 09:41:37 AM
I don't think I ever remember (i was too young in the 70's and early 80's) a build up to a Mayo match where our supporters were so pessimistic.
Once we get behind in this match and McHale falls silent this could get nasty.
Monaghan by at least 5 points.
Hope I'm wrong and I hope the players prove me / us all wrong.
I'd call it more apathy than pessimism. If the injuries laid out by iorras are true - Horan, from what I could make out anyway seemed more optimistic - then I can't see us winning unfortunately.
I think whoever wins this match will feel they have their season back on track and that they , depending on the draw and the fact dublin will play kerry in one semi , could see them selves in an all Ireland final. which would change every thing
I think Mayo will win this, cant understand the negativity from their supporters.... it's not like them to talk their team's chances down lol.
It's a blatant case of poor mouthing.
Monaghan have had some poor results in the qualifiers the last decade but reckon this is the first time they've gone in a qualifier game where their the underdogs. If Ryan O'Donoghue doesn't make it then I'd have it down as a difficult game to predict and there's rumours James Carr is struggling too so that takes all the pace out of that Mayo forward line. If neither O'Donoghue or Carr fail to make it then Monaghan at 5/2 is a brilliant price.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 31, 2022, 11:43:06 AM
I think Mayo will win this, cant understand the negativity from their supporters.... it's not like them to talk their team's chances down lol.
Monaghan are the type of team that should suit Mayo especially with Banty as manager.
Plenty of Mayo supporters talked themselves up prior to the All-Ireland final against Tyrone last year and few haven't posted since out of embarrassment after their pre-match talk?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2022, 05:12:21 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 31, 2022, 11:43:06 AM
I think Mayo will win this, cant understand the negativity from their supporters.... it's not like them to talk their team's chances down lol.
Monaghan are the type of team that should suit Mayo especially with Banty as manager.
Plenty of Mayo supporters talked themselves up prior to the All-Ireland final against Tyrone last year and few haven't posted since out of embarrassment after their pre-match talk?
It's not embarrassment. People genuinely thought Mayo would win last years final, and I don't think that was some crazy belief - there were plenty of arguments that could be made in their favour, and some obvious ones against!
But the aftermath of that loss has been long and isn't over yet. The appetite for it seems to be gone from a lot of supporters, and certainly the belief that we will get over the line any time soon seems to be buried.
I'm not quite as pessimistic and the general consensus could change with a couple of good wins in the next few weeks, but I doubt it.
I'm sure we'll see all the heart from Mayo on Saturday that we have become accustomed to. They light up the championship every year and I'm sure the players will be bursting out of their skin for another crack at Sam. You'd expect the supporters to be quiet and it may do no harm to keep under the radar for a bit.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 31, 2022, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2022, 05:12:21 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 31, 2022, 11:43:06 AM
I think Mayo will win this, cant understand the negativity from their supporters.... it's not like them to talk their team's chances down lol.
Monaghan are the type of team that should suit Mayo especially with Banty as manager.
Plenty of Mayo supporters talked themselves up prior to the All-Ireland final against Tyrone last year and few haven't posted since out of embarrassment after their pre-match talk?
It's not embarrassment. People genuinely thought Mayo would win last years final, and I don't think that was some crazy belief - there were plenty of arguments that could be made in their favour, and some obvious ones against!
But the aftermath of that loss has been long and isn't over yet. The appetite for it seems to be gone from a lot of supporters, and certainly the belief that we will get over the line any time soon seems to be buried.
I'm not quite as pessimistic and the general consensus could change with a couple of good wins in the next few weeks, but I doubt it.
At this stage I don't care if they win or lose
I just can take the heartache any more
Between goalkeeping mistakes, stupid red cards, own goals, missed penalties, you'd find it hard to invent new ways to lose a final
Quote from: Tubberman on May 31, 2022, 09:29:43 PM
It's not embarrassment. People genuinely thought Mayo would win last years final, and I don't think that was some crazy belief - there were plenty of arguments that could be made in their favour, and some obvious ones against!
But the aftermath of that loss has been long and isn't over yet. The appetite for it seems to be gone from a lot of supporters, and certainly the belief that we will get over the line any time soon seems to be buried.
I'm not quite as pessimistic and the general consensus could change with a couple of good wins in the next few weeks, but I doubt it.
Belief v overconfidence this is some of the talk I'm referring too
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Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see . No fear of Tyrone, pure bananas talk that . What's to fear, they've done nothing in recent times to suggest mayo should fear them , they got a victory over a badly set up kerry
I dont believe any of the narrative spun about this been close , we are a far better outfit than Tyrone, a possible hb line of oisin , paddy and eoghan if fit with Leroy pushing up from the last line as we get a foothold is unstoppable , nothing and I mean nothing is going to stop Mayo winning the all Ireland. Who the fook are Tyrone anyway ,last time I seen them in a final they were attroslcious . Nobody mentioned Tyrone all year, now all of a sudden cause they got a sloppy victory over a disorganised disjointed poorly set up kerry they are world beaters . Mayo by 7-9 points easy
That overconfident chap hasn't posted on here since the All Ireland final defeat, because of embarrassment at what he posted or has lost his great belief in Mayo?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2022, 10:12:00 PM
That overconfident chap hasn't posted on here since the All Ireland final defeat, because of embarrassment at what he posted or has lost his great belief in Mayo?
Now you've gone from plenty of Mayo fans to just one chap who hasn't posted here since last year's AI defeat.
QuoteNow you've gone from plenty of Mayo fans to just one chap who hasn't posted here since last year's AI defeat.
Be careful the captain doesn't like been caught out.... He'll go back through old posts now and find some objectionable you have said.
The over confident one is in fact one of Mayos best supporters, he goes to every single match, I'd say the lad is still coming to terms with last years defeat rather than any embarrassment for what he posted.
Just one example given Main Street
Highorlow i don't need to go over old posts to remember you are the chap that was downplaying covid and told us all it would be over in a matter of weeks in March 2020. When he does come to terms with that defeat will he return with sensible posts or continue the similar cocky attitude?
QuoteHighorlow i don't need to go over old posts to remember you are the chap that was downplaying covid and told us all it would be over in a matter of weeks in March 2020.
There we go, only a gobdaw would bring up Covid in a Mayo v Monaghan thread. Your a sad case and likely to be still one of those going around masked up in the fresh air.
Quote from: highorlow on May 31, 2022, 11:36:53 PM
QuoteNow you've gone from plenty of Mayo fans to just one chap who hasn't posted here since last year's AI defeat.
Be careful the captain doesn't like been caught out.... He'll go back through old posts now and find some objectionable you have said.
Looks like you have been nailed by our very own Gaagatha.
Though it is noticeable that the pre-match chat is low key for an important game involving Mayo, usually weighty tomes would be pouring in by the hour.
QuoteLooks like you have been nailed by our very own Gaagatha.
Though it is noticeable that the pre-match chat is low key for an important game involving Mayo, usually weighty tomes would be pouring in by the hour.
True, at least the Captain is getting his kick for the day anyhow.
I think many Mayo fans that were on here have drifted over to the Willie Joe blog instead.
Quote from: highorlow on June 01, 2022, 12:18:37 PM
QuoteLooks like you have been nailed by our very own Gaagatha.
Though it is noticeable that the pre-match chat is low key for an important game involving Mayo, usually weighty tomes would be pouring in by the hour.
True, at least the Captain is getting his kick for the day anyhow.
I think many Mayo fans that were on here have drifted over to the Willie Joe blog instead.
Yes. That's true. I even saw there that if Mayo beat Monaghan the pathway opens up to get to the All-Ireland final. There are of course doom-mongers who are predicting eternal damnation for Horan since the All-Ireland final last year too.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2022, 06:03:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 01, 2022, 12:18:37 PM
QuoteLooks like you have been nailed by our very own Gaagatha.
Though it is noticeable that the pre-match chat is low key for an important game involving Mayo, usually weighty tomes would be pouring in by the hour.
True, at least the Captain is getting his kick for the day anyhow.
I think many Mayo fans that were on here have drifted over to the Willie Joe blog instead.
Yes. That's true. I even saw there that if Mayo beat Monaghan the pathway opens up to get to the All-Ireland final. There are of course doom-mongers who are predicting eternal damnation for Horan since the All-Ireland final last year too.
A few Mayo posters on boards.ie are hoping Mayo lose on Saturday as it will mean a management change. I'll never understand how some Mayo supporters don't realise the great job that Horan has done and that he won't be easily replaced. Monaghan journalist Malachy Clerkin was spot on in the recent podcast in regards to Horan and the job that he's done.
Horan is a good manager and won't be easily replaced.
There's much slagging of Banty but I'm not sure how much actual influence he has on the game plan. In his first "era" he brought in the Armagh heavyweight Paul McGirl and now has Donnie Buckley. Banty, if left to his own devices would never have 3 up front against a Gallagher team or against Mayo in the league have a team set up to with attractive play to create many goal scoring chances. Last year could/should have been our year at least to get to an AI final. I'd say Buckley is calling the shots on the game plan. My only gripe is considering Drew Wylies effectiveness against Dublin, I wonder what the reason is to exclude him from the team.
If Mayo would be so hospitable as to leave a bit of space for Mohan, McCarron, and McManus to do their thing, then I'd be hopeful. Considering our (what passes for) history this is the type of game with the potential to bring out our best.
Any Mayo supporter pessimism will have absolutely no effect on the Mayo performance.
Quote from: Main Street on June 01, 2022, 08:57:42 PM
There's much slagging of Banty but I'm not sure how much actual influence he has on the game plan. In his first "era" he brought in the Armagh heavyweight Paul McGirl and now has Donnie Buckley. Banty, if left to his own devices would never have 3 up front against a Gallagher team or against Mayo in the league have a team set up to with attractive play to create many goal scoring chances. Last year could/should have been our year at least to get to an AI final. I'd say Buckley is calling the shots on the game plan. My only gripe is considering Drew Wylies effectiveness against Dublin, I wonder what the reason is to exclude him from the team.
If Mayo would be so hospitable as to leave a bit of space for Mohan, McCarron, and McManus to do their thing, then I'd be hopeful. Considering our (what passes for) history this is the type of game with the potential to bring out our best.
Any Mayo supporter pessimism will have absolutely no effect on the Mayo performance.
Don't worry, that is a given when playing Mayo!
Quote from: Main Street on June 01, 2022, 08:57:42 PM
There's much slagging of Banty but I'm not sure how much actual influence he has on the game plan. In his first "era" he brought in the Armagh heavyweight Paul McGirl and now has Donnie Buckley. Banty, if left to his own devices would never have 3 up front against a Gallagher team or against Mayo in the league have a team set up to with attractive play to create many goal scoring chances. Last year could/should have been our year at least to get to an AI final. I'd say Buckley is calling the shots on the game plan. My only gripe is considering Drew Wylies effectiveness against Dublin, I wonder what the reason is to exclude him from the team.
If Mayo would be so hospitable as to leave a bit of space for Mohan, McCarron, and McManus to do their thing, then I'd be hopeful. Considering our (what passes for) history this is the type of game with the potential to bring out our best.
Any Mayo supporter pessimism will have absolutely no effect on the Mayo performance.
Grimley? I think he would take offence to being called Paul McGirl!
I think you're right on Banty. I think he will have little input as to how Monaghan set up tactically. He'd be more of a delegator who relies on having a team of experts around him. It's still bizarre seeing a former AI hurling winning manager in the backroom team whatever his input is to a football side.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 02, 2022, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 01, 2022, 08:57:42 PM
There's much slagging of Banty but I'm not sure how much actual influence he has on the game plan. In his first "era" he brought in the Armagh heavyweight Paul McGirl and now has Donnie Buckley. Banty, if left to his own devices would never have 3 up front against a Gallagher team or against Mayo in the league have a team set up to with attractive play to create many goal scoring chances. Last year could/should have been our year at least to get to an AI final. I'd say Buckley is calling the shots on the game plan. My only gripe is considering Drew Wylies effectiveness against Dublin, I wonder what the reason is to exclude him from the team.
If Mayo would be so hospitable as to leave a bit of space for Mohan, McCarron, and McManus to do their thing, then I'd be hopeful. Considering our (what passes for) history this is the type of game with the potential to bring out our best.
Any Mayo supporter pessimism will have absolutely no effect on the Mayo performance.
Grimley? I think he would take offence to being called Paul McGirl!
I think you're right on Banty. I think he will have little input as to how Monaghan set up tactically. He'd be more of a delegator who relies on having a team of experts around him. It's still bizarre seeing a former AI hurling winning manager in the backroom team whatever his input is to a football side.
probably would take some offence, but the heavyweight tag passes muster?
Quote from: Main Street on June 01, 2022, 08:57:42 PM
There's much slagging of Banty but I'm not sure how much actual influence he has on the game plan. In his first "era" he brought in the Armagh heavyweight Paul McGirl and now has Donnie Buckley. Banty, if left to his own devices would never have 3 up front against a Gallagher team or against Mayo in the league have a team set up to with attractive play to create many goal scoring chances. Last year could/should have been our year at least to get to an AI final. I'd say Buckley is calling the shots on the game plan. My only gripe is considering Drew Wylies effectiveness against Dublin, I wonder what the reason is to exclude him from the team.
If Mayo would be so hospitable as to leave a bit of space for Mohan, McCarron, and McManus to do their thing, then I'd be hopeful. Considering our (what passes for) history this is the type of game with the potential to bring out our best.
Any Mayo supporter pessimism will have absolutely no effect on the Mayo performance.
Banty ultimately decides the starting 15, decides the positions they play and matchups too. I would feel he dictates the style of play and gets a coach to implement it. I can't get around McCarthy playing in defense, it still doesn't make sense at all. Persisting with Carey who has amassed 5 pts from play over 9 games in 2022 makes little to no sense either. He's someone who fails to deliver and his lapses in concentration are costly. It's hard to know how Monaghan will go against Mayo. Bar the Kildare game, Monaghan have been big on effort and possession. Not the sterile back and forth you'd see Donegal do, but a full court press with lots of turnovers. The problem has been converting that dominance in possession into scores. Monaghan have been hugely wasteful with shots for most of 2022's games. Against Mayo in the league I think they got below 50% accuracy (the 7 missed frees were particularly bad and I still can't believe the one Bannigan dropped into the Keepers hands in first minute from 20 yards out). The Derry game was not much better. Colm Shalvey of the Northern Standard tweeted Monaghan scored 17 of their 36 chances. It felt like a lot of chances being missed watching the game but 36 shots blew my mind. It shows Monaghan are doing something right to a degree but failing on where they are shooting from or poor execution of skills. Bar the Dublin and Down games, Monaghan have been struggling to turn their substantial spells of dominance during games into scores. Will it click this weekend? It could. It also relies on Banty getting his starting line up, player match ups and positioning correct and that does not fill me with hope as he's not got a great record of this. Can the players sharepn their finishing and positioning, maybe. Monaghan can do it, but I dunno if they will do it.
I hope the game isn't ruined by Barry Cassidy.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2022, 08:42:14 PM
I hope the game isn't ruined by Barry Cassidy.
The referee doesn't ruin the game.
Need to get away from blaming the ref...even before the game has started.
The re doesn't kick 15 wides etc. etc.
Quote from: marty34 on June 02, 2022, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2022, 08:42:14 PM
I hope the game isn't ruined by Barry Cassidy.
The referee doesn't ruin the game.
Need to get away from blaming the ref...even before the game has started.
The re doesn't kick 15 wides etc. etc.
That's all fine, but it's still Barry Cassidy with the whistle in his mouth.
Horan is and always will be a great manager. The failing with Horan over both his tenures in charge was his trying lads in the league and then come championship reverting to the old reliables. Many's the player had a great league and for some reason or other were never chanced in the championship.
My hope for Saturday is that we end up by default, due to injuries "finding" a team. Orme (a fine player) and the rest of the young lads might become something we are looking for and surprise everyone including Horan.
It's die dog or shite the licence time for us on Saturday, after 10 minutes we will know if our young lads are up for it.
Mayo team named.
Rob Hennelly
Lee Keegan
Oisin Mullin
Enda Hession
Paddy Durcan
Stephen Coen
Eoghan McLaughlin
Aidan O'Shea
Matthew Ruane
Bryan Walsh
Aidan Orme
Diarmiud O'Connor
James Carr
Jack Carney
Cillian O'Connor
Subs - R Byrne, P O'Hora, R Brickenden, D McHugh, C O'Shea, Jordan Flynn, K McLoughlin, D McHale, C Loftus, J Doherty F Boland
Quote from: Main Street on June 03, 2022, 12:26:56 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 02, 2022, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2022, 08:42:14 PM
I hope the game isn't ruined by Barry Cassidy.
The referee doesn't ruin the game.
Need to get away from blaming the ref...even before the game has started.
The re doesn't kick 15 wides etc. etc.
That's all fine, but it's still Barry Cassidy with the whistle in his mouth.
Without doubt, the worst ref in the business
The Ego man
Quote from: highorlow on June 03, 2022, 01:07:38 AM
Horan is and always will be a great manager. The failing with Horan over both his tenures in charge was his trying lads in the league and then come championship reverting to the old reliables. Many's the player had a great league and for some reason or other were never chanced in the championship.
My hope for Saturday is that we end up by default, due to injuries "finding" a team. Orme (a fine player) and the rest of the young lads might become something we are looking for and surprise everyone including Horan.
It's die dog or shite the licence time for us on Saturday, after 10 minutes we will know if our young lads are up for it.
Horan is no doubt a good coach but to be considered a great I think he needs to win the big one.
That's a good Mayo team, to have Ryan O'Donoghue available would have been overkill.
I'll be very surprised if that Mayo team starts. I would expect two changes at least, maybe three. I hate this slobbering with dummy teams. I doubt if the players are gone on it either.
Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Kieran Duffy
Conor Boyle
Ryan Wylie
Karl O Connell
Dessie Ward
Ryan Mcenespie
Darren Hughes
Niall Kearns
Conor Mccarthy
Kieran Hughes
Micheal Bannigan
Jack McCarron
Gary Mohan
Conor McManus
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2022, 10:30:00 PM
Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Kieran Duffy
Conor Boyle
Ryan Wylie
Karl O Connell
Dessie Ward
Ryan Mcenespie
Darren Hughes
Niall Kearns
Conor Mccarthy
Kieran Hughes
Micheal Bannigan
Jack McCarron
Gary Mohan
Conor McManus
Some changes from the line up v Derry if that line up transpires. Karl O'Connell makes a welcome return to the starting 15 in the half back line which would probably shift Conor McCarthy up to the half forwards, replacing Shane Carey who has been dropped.
In Monaghan terms (Banty era) this is a seismic shift, it still leaves the half back line with 2 forwards, Ward and McAnespie.
https://youtu.be/jR0hbVqdnVo
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 03, 2022, 09:28:14 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 03, 2022, 01:07:38 AM
Horan is and always will be a great manager. The failing with Horan over both his tenures in charge was his trying lads in the league and then come championship reverting to the old reliables. Many's the player had a great league and for some reason or other were never chanced in the championship.
My hope for Saturday is that we end up by default, due to injuries "finding" a team. Orme (a fine player) and the rest of the young lads might become something we are looking for and surprise everyone including Horan.
It's die dog or shite the licence time for us on Saturday, after 10 minutes we will know if our young lads are up for it.
Horan is no doubt a good coach but to be considered a great I think he needs to win the big one.
Did Cork beat Mayo in a recent challenge? this story is doing the rounds. Anybody verify this ?
Yes I believe they did
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2022, 10:30:00 PM
Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Kieran Duffy
Conor Boyle
Ryan Wylie
Karl O Connell
Dessie Ward
Ryan Mcenespie
Darren Hughes
Niall Kearns
Conor Mccarthy
Kieran Hughes
Micheal Bannigan
Jack McCarron
Gary Mohan
Conor McManus
That's a strong looking side but it must be the highest average age of any side in the country. It could be the swan song for a lot of this group of players. I've gone for Mayo but nor would it surprise me if Monaghan went to Castlebar and won.
Mayo's record in Castlebar is woeful, do they ever win there ?
Never lost a Qualifier game there as far as I know.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 04, 2022, 12:19:11 PM
Never lost a Qualifier game there as far as I know.
Correct. Terrible record in Connacht champ in last few years, but good qualifier record although there were a few close runs like Derry and Armagh
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 03, 2022, 10:16:40 PM
I'll be very surprised if that Mayo team starts. I would expect two changes at least, maybe three. I hate this slobbering with dummy teams. I doubt if the players are gone on it either.
Don't see the point teams being named the day before anyway. But highly doubt that the players care.
Only so many times Mayo can recover and go on to later stages. Defeat today I predict . Never had good enough forward unit and missing there 2 best form last 24 months will signal the end of road for another 4/5 players
Monaghan's forward aren't destructive enough to hurt Mayo imho. I can only see two results here.
Mayo powering away in extra time after stumbling to a draw..
Or Mayo blowing Monaghan away from the throw in.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 03:06:28 PM
Monaghan's forward aren't destructive enough to hurt Mayo imho. I can only see two results here.
Mayo powering away in extra time after stumbling to a draw..
Or Mayo blowing Monaghan away from the throw in.
Mayos system usually lets forwards play. That's a dangerous full forward line of monagahan plus Mc Carthy . Mayo meanwhile will rely totally on runners for scores
Would expect Mayo to win well. Could be end of Blantyre as Monaghan manager.
Both team line out as selected.
Silly by McManus. Ref got it right though with the black
Correct decision also for the foot block and pen for Mayo.
Monaghan get a black card, and instead of pushing up on the kick-out, Mayo allow them easy possession. Poor management
Quote from: befair on June 04, 2022, 04:13:13 PM
Monaghan get a black card, and instead of pushing up on the kick-out, Mayo allow them easy possession. Poor management
Mayo have been pushing up!!
Monaghan have struggled to get out of their own half since the black card
Quote from: Hound on June 04, 2022, 04:07:55 PM
Silly by McManus. Ref got it right though with the black
Correct decision also for the foot block and pen for Mayo.
Not the sort of foul the black card was intended for though. Correct decision however.
That point by Jack MCCarron there was out standing third point already.
Monaghan have to be happy only down by three considering they have been outplayed
Mayo with only one wide
Monaghan have four or five
Decent game.
Mayo throwing loose handpasses around and hitting a few blind alleys, shows how well Monaghan have been able to cut off the angles. I worried they might get blown away after 10 mins but they are working so hard.
AOS has been excellent. McLaughlin and Carney look like they could be proper strings to the Mayo bow.
Conor McManus is done. McCarron a pleasure to watch.
Referee has been unusually competent.
How often to do ever hit just 1 wide in a half? Mayo goal from a penalty and played 10 minutes of that half with the man advantage.
Monaghan with numbers back but more marking space than their men. McCarron their only forward playing to his capabilities.
Monaghan have the breeze now. I think they will win it if the can keep it calm.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 04, 2022, 04:53:58 PM
Monaghan have the breeze now. I think they will win it if the can keep it calm.
Monaghan haven't a hope. Lack firepower outside of McCarron.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 04:43:22 PM
Decent game.
Mayo throwing loose handpasses around and hitting a few blind alleys, shows how well Monaghan have been able to cut off the angles. I worried they might get blown away after 10 mins but they are working so hard.
AOS has been excellent. McLaughlin and Carney look like they could be proper strings to the Mayo bow.
Conor McManus is done. McCarron a pleasure to watch.
Referee has been unusually competent.
He's been terrible. That free at he start of the 2nd half typical of him. Nothing in it - handy point for Mayo. McManus is finished - too many miles on the clock
cassidy again. Overruling the umpire - clear 45
Good game
Mayo look to be tiring
Not a surprise considering how they played on first half
2nd half is awful stuff. 21 minutes without a score from either side. As bad as Ulster final
Quote from: full moon on June 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
2nd half is awful stuff. 21 minutes without a score from either side. As bad as Ulster final
you can cross both teams off the list of potential Sam winners
Quote from: full moon on June 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
2nd half is awful stuff. 21 minutes without a score from either side. As bad as Ulster final
Absolutely shocking on a glorious evening for football
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:21:24 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
2nd half is awful stuff. 21 minutes without a score from either side. As bad as Ulster final
you can cross both teams off the list of potential Sam winners
Were they ever on it????
Quote from: pjm on June 04, 2022, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:21:24 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
2nd half is awful stuff. 21 minutes without a score from either side. As bad as Ulster final
you can cross both teams off the list of potential Sam winners
Were they ever on it????
They both might cause a upset on the way, but potential Sam winners? No.
cassidy has been shocking. Mcmanus fouled taking a shot. Doesn't give a free were it lands. Aos gets a free for absolutely nothing during a throw ball and then the softest 13m free you'll ever see.
Quote from: pjm on June 04, 2022, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
2nd half is awful stuff. 21 minutes without a score from either side. As bad as Ulster final
Absolutely shocking on a glorious evening for football
Yeah very poor and basic errors all over. Mayo actually played a lot better football in the first half when they kicked the ball
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:25:53 PM
cassidy has been shocking. Mcmanus fouled taking a shot. Doesn't give a free were it lands. Aos gets a free for absolutely nothing during a throw ball and then the softest 13m free you'll ever see.
You must be one of those ones who thinks Aidan O'Shea should be referees more harshly because of his physical strength.
I think it's over now Monaghan can't get scores. They have McCarron in the full back line at times.
The Monaghan whinging would make you sick
Footblock? Paul Earley saying it isn't but theres no rule on distance in the rule book
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:25:53 PM
cassidy has been shocking. Mcmanus fouled taking a shot. Doesn't give a free were it lands. Aos gets a free for absolutely nothing during a throw ball and then the softest 13m free you'll ever see.
You must be one of those ones who thinks Aidan O'Shea should be referees more harshly because of his physical strength.
no - the lad he was jumping with was just as big. There was no foul
Wonder will Banty have a go at Cassidy after this. They didn't get much from him . But they've been too negative
Quote from: full moon on June 04, 2022, 05:34:59 PM
Wonder will Banty have a go at Cassidy after this. They didn't get much from him . But they've been too negative
he should - stonewall penalty not given on top of all the other decisions that went against them
Cassidy shocking.
Should have been penalty to Monaghan?
Shocking dive.
Listened to the game on Madwest.
Martin Carney is comedy gold!
Cassidy got escort out few Monaghan fans gonna go for him it looked like
A few penalty calls that didn't go Monaghan's way towards the end. Mayo went 21 minutes without a score in that 2nd half and still won by 4. That should be the end of Banty, bizarre appointment to begin with.
Thought it was a penalty
But why did he not try to bury it
Looked like he wanted to be fouled
Quote from: clarshack on June 04, 2022, 05:39:04 PM
Should have been penalty to Monaghan?
yes and even after that non call there was a 13m free. He gave neither.
Didn't look much of a foul to me.
Think Cassidy got it right. Let's see what the replays show.
Shocking blind pass that led to it though.
Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
——
On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:42:37 PM
Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
——
On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He overruled a 45 - was that correct (clue - it wasn't). Mayo got soft decision after soft decision. Monaghan didn't. Its a penalty (not the foot block) but the other one definatly was
Cassidy is a poor referee but Monaghan can blame nobody but themselves. No doubt they will probably blame Cassidy and they may have reason to feel aggrieved but would need to have a good look at themselves first and their negative approach. If they had faced a better team today Mayo were out but all they had to do was get over todays match and they will be in better shape for the next match now.
Poor game, looks like the end of the great Mayo team, the only team to give the Dubs a match. Deserved the win, Monaghan too quick to blame the ref.
But Monaghan shouldn't be down-hearted; with a small population, they've been punching above their weight for years, are always competitive, and in McManus, have one of the true greats.
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:42:37 PM
Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
——
On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He overruled a 45 - was that correct (clue - it wasn't). Mayo got soft decision after soft decision. Monaghan didn't. Its a penalty (not the foot block) but the other one definatly was
The overturned 45 wasn't a major decision.
I can't see the Keegan tackle a penalty from every angle. The forward took a bump and hit the ground. That's not a foul if it happens in reverse so can't be a penalty. Imho.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:51:33 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:42:37 PM
Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
——
On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He overruled a 45 - was that correct (clue - it wasn't). Mayo got soft decision after soft decision. Monaghan didn't. Its a penalty (not the foot block) but the other one definatly was
The overturned 45 wasn't a major decision.
I
I can't see the Keegan tackle a penalty from every angle. The forward took a bump and hit the ground. That's not a foul if it happens in reverse so can't be a penalty. Imho.
Mayo scored straight from the non 45 - that's why i highlighted it. That was one example. There were lots of others. The penalty. He wrapped him with both arms and let go. As McGuinness said its a foul anywhere else on the field. Then when the ball broke there was a clear push for a 13m free. He's a terrible ref - has been for a long time if indeed he was ever any good. Today he seemed to be on a mission and Mayo were on the right side of it.
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:51:33 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:42:37 PM
Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
——
On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He overruled a 45 - was that correct (clue - it wasn't). Mayo got soft decision after soft decision. Monaghan didn't. Its a penalty (not the foot block) but the other one definatly was
The overturned 45 wasn't a major decision.
I
I can't see the Keegan tackle a penalty from every angle. The forward took a bump and hit the ground. That's not a foul if it happens in reverse so can't be a penalty. Imho.
Mayo scored straight from the non 45 - that's why i highlighted it. That was one example. There were lots of others. The penalty. He wrapped him with both arms and let go. As McGuinness said its a foul anywhere else on the field. Then when the ball broke there was a clear push for a 13m free. He's a terrible ref - has been for a long time if indeed he was ever any good. Today he seemed to be on a mission and Mayo were on the right side of it.
I don't think Banty will be sending him a Christmas card this year anyway, there was an accumulation of bad decisions that all seemed to go against Monaghan.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 04, 2022, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:51:33 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2022, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2022, 05:42:37 PM
Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
——
On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He overruled a 45 - was that correct (clue - it wasn't). Mayo got soft decision after soft decision. Monaghan didn't. Its a penalty (not the foot block) but the other one definatly was
The overturned 45 wasn't a major decision.
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I can't see the Keegan tackle a penalty from every angle. The forward took a bump and hit the ground. That's not a foul if it happens in reverse so can't be a penalty. Imho.
Mayo scored straight from the non 45 - that's why i highlighted it. That was one example. There were lots of others. The penalty. He wrapped him with both arms and let go. As McGuinness said its a foul anywhere else on the field. Then when the ball broke there was a clear push for a 13m free. He's a terrible ref - has been for a long time if indeed he was ever any good. Today he seemed to be on a mission and Mayo were on the right side of it.
I don't think Banty will be sending him a Christmas card this year anyway, there was an accumulation of bad decisions that all seemed to go against Monaghan.
McManus kicked two very scorable frees wide; can't blame the ref for that.
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Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
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On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He overruled a 45 - was that correct (clue - it wasn't). Mayo got soft decision after soft decision. Monaghan didn't. Its a penalty (not the foot block) but the other one definatly was
The overturned 45 wasn't a major decision.
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I can't see the Keegan tackle a penalty from every angle. The forward took a bump and hit the ground. That's not a foul if it happens in reverse so can't be a penalty. Imho.
Mayo scored straight from the non 45 - that's why i highlighted it. That was one example. There were lots of others. The penalty. He wrapped him with both arms and let go. As McGuinness said its a foul anywhere else on the field. Then when the ball broke there was a clear push for a 13m free. He's a terrible ref - has been for a long time if indeed he was ever any good. Today he seemed to be on a mission and Mayo were on the right side of it.
I don't think Banty will be sending him a Christmas card this year anyway, there was an accumulation of bad decisions that all seemed to go against Monaghan.
McManus kicked two very scorable frees wide; can't blame the ref for that.
Indeed, Monaghan would need to look at themselves first and foremost, they only have themselves to blame. But the best referees are the ones you don't really notice and unfortunately Cassidy tends to get noticed a lot.
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Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
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On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He overruled a 45 - was that correct (clue - it wasn't). Mayo got soft decision after soft decision. Monaghan didn't. Its a penalty (not the foot block) but the other one definatly was
The overturned 45 wasn't a major decision.
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I can't see the Keegan tackle a penalty from every angle. The forward took a bump and hit the ground. That's not a foul if it happens in reverse so can't be a penalty. Imho.
Mayo scored straight from the non 45 - that's why i highlighted it. That was one example. There were lots of others. The penalty. He wrapped him with both arms and let go. As McGuinness said its a foul anywhere else on the field. Then when the ball broke there was a clear push for a 13m free. He's a terrible ref - has been for a long time if indeed he was ever any good. Today he seemed to be on a mission and Mayo were on the right side of it.
I don't think Banty will be sending him a Christmas card this year anyway, there was an accumulation of bad decisions that all seemed to go against Monaghan.
McManus kicked two very scorable frees wide; can't blame the ref for that.
Even there. McManus got fouled taking a shot. Now hands up if i have this wrong but surely that's a free where the ball lands. Barry thinks differently though - he gives a free where the ball was kicked from and McManus misses. It was an accumulation of decisions like that throughout.
Didn't see the first half. Thought Jack mccarron was completely stupid to shoulder the mayo player after getting the free. Think there was about 10 mins to go with 3 between. Could have brought it to a 2 point game.
Thought monaghan should have been awarded a penalty. 2 hands around the Monaghan player. Ironically because he went down easily I think the ref thought he dived. Still a penalty. although if he tried to beat Lee he could have actually scored it himself.
A win is a win. Thought when Monaghan got it back to 2 early in the second half they might kick on. They didn't so onwards for Mayo.
Monaghan play too negative for a team with top class forwards. How many times was McCarron wandering around his own full back line! McManus also was down the field at times.
Definitely quality there with Monaghan with some of the younger lads. They don't attack in numbers, they don't pose enough of a threat going forward. 12 points is a pitiful return for one of the best forward lines in the country.
Marginal calls went Mayos way but the best team won. Mayo in the qualifiers normally have drama filled games which included a few win extra time wins, today in comparison was a comfortable win and even during the 21 minute period 2nd half without a score Mayo had Monaghan at arms length with their possession game.
For me that's Mayo into the last 8 again (can't see any of the provincial losers taking them out) after that who knows.
Sad to see a once great player/forward Conor McManus in that form, reminds me of a former great heavyweight boxer that came out of retirement to pay off his debts
Hard to know where a lot of teams are at at the minute, I thought that was a totally rubbish game with 2 teams who wouldn't trouble too many, but no doubt Mayo will come on for it.
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Monaghan play too negative for a team with top class forwards. How many times was McCarron wandering around his own full back line! McManus also was down the field at times.
Definitely quality there with Monaghan with some of the younger lads. They don't attack in numbers, they don't pose enough of a threat going forward. 12 points is a pitiful return for one of the best forward lines in the country.
Currently Monaghan don't even have one of the best forward lines in their province.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 04, 2022, 06:50:06 PM
Marginal calls went Mayos way but the best team won. Mayo in the qualifiers normally have drama filled games which included a few win extra time wins, today in comparison was a comfortable win and even during the 21 minute period 2nd half without a score Mayo had Monaghan at arms length with their possession game.
For me that's Mayo into the last 8 again (can't see any of the provincial losers taking them out) after that who knows.
Sad to see a once great player/forward Conor McManus in that form, reminds me of a former great heavyweight boxer that came out of retirement to pay off his debts
Conor is
35. Time stands still for no man. Incredible player on his day. Carried so many Monaghan teams down the years. In a bigger county he'd be a super-sub or retired.
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Hard to know where a lot of teams are at at the minute, I thought that was a totally rubbish game with 2 teams who wouldn't trouble too many, but no doubt Mayo will come on for it.
It's a qualifier for God's sake, what do you expect, how many qualifiers over the years have lit up the place ?
Thought Mayo deserved the win. Barely. Monaghan not at the races overall, and McManus and a few others look done. No fan of Cassidy (after the Ulster 2020 final) but thought he got bulk of the big decisions correct. They were all marginal anyway, so I suppose either way he went could be construed as the right decision. Tough being a ref lads! Black card was a foot trip, but was this what it was brought in for? Was a foot block for me, so no issue there (was different from the one last week - know there's no distance in the rule, I'd think it's if there's risk of you blocking the kickers leg and injuring them). The penalty call near the end is just so hard to call. Probably a free out the field, but we know you need more than that to get a penalty, even if it shouldn't be the case. He went down so easy, that it made it look like he took a dive. That's the only think I can think of. Overall didn't see enough of a foul in it, but we've seen them given. Overall the ref wasn't the winning or losing of this game. Monaghan lost it, and Mayo won it. Both had their chances and they took what they got. Poor game overall
what was the attendance
I think Mayo will draw Derry in the QF unfortunately. Mayo are actually the 2nd county I support due to my great grandmother being from West Mayo.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 04, 2022, 09:57:56 PM
I think Mayo will draw Derry in the QF unfortunately. Mayo are actually the 2nd county I support due to my great grandmother being from West Mayo.
Would be happy with that draw too Olly, or any other one, if it's in Croke Park.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 04, 2022, 05:32:41 PM
The Monaghan whinging would make you sick
Ha, only reading back through this thread. There were three Monaghan women behind me, I never heard whinging like it. From the word go...any time any free was given against them. None of Mayo's frees nor penalty nor 45s should have counted because they were awarded by the ref. It was comedy gold. I wasn't sure if they were looking for a reaction to their musings but they kept whinging until the game was over.
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The Monaghan whinging would make you sick
Ha, only reading back through this thread. There were three Monaghan women behind me, I never heard whinging like it. From the word go...any time any free was given against them. None of Mayo's frees nor penalty nor 45s should have counted because they were awarded by the ref. It was comedy gold. I wasn't sure if they were looking for a reaction to their musings but they kept whinging until the game was over.
Poor post from one who is normally better than that.
The total opposite of my experience in the athletic grounds.
I was surrounded by the most magnanimous Monaghan supporters, many of whom were females.
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The Monaghan whinging would make you sick
Ha, only reading back through this thread. There were three Monaghan women behind me, I never heard whinging like it. From the word go...any time any free was given against them. None of Mayo's frees nor penalty nor 45s should have counted because they were awarded by the ref. It was comedy gold. I wasn't sure if they were looking for a reaction to their musings but they kept whinging until the game was over.
Poor post from one who is normally better than that.
The total opposite of my experience in the athletic grounds.
I was surrounded by the most magnanimous Monaghan supporters, many of whom were females.
I don't doubt that at all, just saw the post about Monaghan whinging and I gave my (anecdotal obviously) story.
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The Monaghan whinging would make you sick
Ha, only reading back through this thread. There were three Monaghan women behind me, I never heard whinging like it. From the word go...any time any free was given against them. None of Mayo's frees nor penalty nor 45s should have counted because they were awarded by the ref. It was comedy gold. I wasn't sure if they were looking for a reaction to their musings but they kept whinging until the game was over.
Poor post from one who is normally better than that.
The total opposite of my experience in the athletic grounds.
I was surrounded by the most magnanimous Monaghan supporters, many of whom were females.
You wearing the skinny jeans probably did the trick.
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 04, 2022, 05:32:41 PM
The Monaghan whinging would make you sick
Ha, only reading back through this thread. There were three Monaghan women behind me, I never heard whinging like it. From the word go...any time any free was given against them. None of Mayo's frees nor penalty nor 45s should have counted because they were awarded by the ref. It was comedy gold. I wasn't sure if they were looking for a reaction to their musings but they kept whinging until the game was over.
Poor post from one who is normally better than that.
The total opposite of my experience in the athletic grounds.
I was surrounded by the most magnanimous Monaghan supporters, many of whom were females.
You wearing the skinny jeans probably did the trick.
That certainly worked in Healy Park. Saw none of the game after McGuigan's penalty.
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what was the attendance
I would say about 30-35k.
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what was the attendance
16,377. Above the 13 to 15k expected attendance.
QuoteHa, only reading back through this thread. There were three Monaghan women behind me, I never heard whinging like it.
Were they good looking? Some cracking looking Monaghan dolls at that game yesterday.
It was a strange game, Monaghan had learned some important defensive lesson since the defeat to Derry but it took nothing stranger than the sight of McManus altering a difficult game to one beyond reach due to his black card foul and missing 2 relative sitters.
On the day Mayo totally deserved the victory which was not overly enhanced by the bould Barry. Monaghan managed the black card period poorly, however once McManus returned Mayo failed to keep the pressure on, Monaghan steadied the game and reduced the deficit to a manageable 3. I thought then maybe Monaghan could pull it off. I haven't quite worked out how Monaghan screwed up the second half, but Mayo found enough to stay well clear or enough clear.
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Every single major decision by the ref in that match went Mqyo's way.
But more importantly, every single one of them was correct.
Cassidy was superb. Actually understand the game.
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On a side note, Monaghan deserve to go out. Any time they pressed Mayo, Mayo looked nervy. But no let's not do that again. Let's instead retreat inside the '45 and let the run the clock down for whatever the f**k reason nobody will ever be able to explain.
Idiotic from Monaghan. Leave the championship with a whimper.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He overruled a 45 - was that correct (clue - it wasn't). Mayo got soft decision after soft decision. Monaghan didn't. Its a penalty (not the foot block) but the other one definatly was
The overturned 45 wasn't a major decision.
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I can't see the Keegan tackle a penalty from every angle. The forward took a bump and hit the ground. That's not a foul if it happens in reverse so can't be a penalty. Imho.
Mayo scored straight from the non 45 - that's why i highlighted it. That was one example. There were lots of others. The penalty. He wrapped him with both arms and let go. As McGuinness said its a foul anywhere else on the field. Then when the ball broke there was a clear push for a 13m free. He's a terrible ref - has been for a long time if indeed he was ever any good. Today he seemed to be on a mission and Mayo were on the right side of it.
I don't think Banty will be sending him a Christmas card this year anyway, there was an accumulation of bad decisions that all seemed to go against Monaghan.
McManus kicked two very scorable frees wide; can't blame the ref for that.
Indeed, Monaghan would need to look at themselves first and foremost, they only have themselves to blame. But the best referees are the ones you don't really notice and unfortunately Cassidy tends to get noticed a lot.
Cassidy isn't a good ref but I thought he was spot on yesterday
QuoteCassidy isn't a good ref but I thought he was spot on yesterday
That's a wind up? He gave all the 50/50 decisions our way. The only correct decisions he gave were when AOS was getting fouled, for a change Aidan got a fair rub from the ref.
Anyhow it makes a change that we got a ref in our favour, it's not often it happens.
Mayo won the game yesterday because they had fewer mistakes than Monaghan but it was a poor game, I can't understand Mayo fans saying what a great win it was? Mayo played like strangers for too many periods in the match, missing simple hand passes and having very little creativity in the final third. We are still far too dependent on COC to get the scores, take him out we are very ordinary. We are still in it but not for long on yesterday's performance. I watched the game on tv in London and the commentators kept talking about the "energy sapping" weather conditions, it's Castlebar in the month of June, not the Gobi desert!
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 04, 2022, 09:57:56 PM
I think Mayo will draw Derry in the QF unfortunately. Mayo are actually the 2nd county I support due to my great grandmother being from West Mayo.
It's very likely to happen now. If Donegal and Tyrone make it through they can't draw Derry and Mayo can't get Galway, so by process of elimination it makes it likely
For a county that's perceived to be unlucky, Mayo's record of going into the qualifiers and yet still ending up on the easy side of the draw is quite incredible
Thought it was an awful game. Not even the tactics, just the overall standard. Monaghan kicking balls out over the endline and sideline. For Monaghan to play like a D4 team and still be a dodgy referee decision away from a draw at the end says a lot. Won't bother Mayo though, they just needed to get through it and are somehow back in potentially a very good spot now
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Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 04, 2022, 09:57:56 PM
I think Mayo will draw Derry in the QF unfortunately. Mayo are actually the 2nd county I support due to my great grandmother being from West Mayo.
It's very likely to happen now. If Donegal and Tyrone make it through they can't draw Derry and Mayo can't get Galway, so by process of elimination it makes it likely
For a county that's perceived to be unlucky, Mayo's record of going into the qualifiers and yet still ending up on the easy side of the draw is quite incredible
Thought it was an awful game. Not even the tactics, just the overall standard. Monaghan kicking balls out over the endline and sideline. For Monaghan to play like a D4 team and still be a dodgy referee decision away from a draw at the end says a lot. Won't bother Mayo though, they just needed to get through it and are somehow back in potentially a very good spot now
Mayo's habit of ending up on the "easy" side of the draw is directly related them pretty much always being the best side in it, and never being able to play themselves. Nothing more complicated that that.
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I think Mayo will draw Derry in the QF unfortunately. Mayo are actually the 2nd county I support due to my great grandmother being from West Mayo.
It's very likely to happen now. If Donegal and Tyrone make it through they can't draw Derry and Mayo can't get Galway, so by process of elimination it makes it likely
For a county that's perceived to be unlucky, Mayo's record of going into the qualifiers and yet still ending up on the easy side of the draw is quite incredible
Thought it was an awful game. Not even the tactics, just the overall standard. Monaghan kicking balls out over the endline and sideline. For Monaghan to play like a D4 team and still be a dodgy referee decision away from a draw at the end says a lot. Won't bother Mayo though, they just needed to get through it and are somehow back in potentially a very good spot now
Mayo's habit of ending up on the "easy" side of the draw is directly related them pretty much always being the best side in it, and never being able to play themselves. Nothing more complicated that that.
No not really. In 2016 they got sent to the qualifiers and after a string of easy draws, ended up getting the easiest QF and avoiding Dubs/Kerry, and subsequently avoided both in the semi thereafter. Same thing happened in 2017, a handy qualifier run ended with a QF avoiding Dubs/Kerry (ended up with Roscommon) and avoided the Dubs semi final. Semi final opponents have included illustrious names such as Tipp twice and Fermanagh going back a bit. A team should be punished for going into the qualifiers, not rewarded. Will essentially happen to whatever qualifiers fall on the Derry/Galway side this year. They're not bad sides but it's the much easier side of things to make a final
I take it all back, The Sunday Game determines that we were denied a stonewall penalty, we was robbed of taking it to ET .....and most probably losing the game in ET.
So we were denied a stonewall penalty by a stonewall awful referee but overall it was also a stonewall brutal performance by monaghan.
Bad call for the (def) penalty at the end alright, wouldn't gave the Mayo penalty neither.
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Bad call for the (def) penalty at the end alright, wouldn't gave the Mayo penalty neither.
Thought it was a penalty also, if it was Conor McManus, he would have been cute enough to pull Keegan down on top of himself, giving the referee no option.
Speaking of Conor McManus, what a wonderful and gifted footballer over last decade, I hope he was not 100% fit yesterday and can come back again, as very few forwards have his skill to kick the outrageous points he has kicked over that period. A true legend.
It would've been a stonewall Hennelly save, in anyways.
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It would've been a stonewall Hennelly save, in anyways.
Hennelly was denied the opportunity by an inept ref to enhance his hero status with accomplishing that actual deed.
Possible foul by Aidan O'Shea on Ryan Wylie in the build up to the penalty that was awarded?
Quote from: Main Street on June 05, 2022, 01:38:43 AM
It was a strange game, Monaghan had learned some important defensive lesson since the defeat to Derry but it took nothing stranger than the sight of McManus altering a difficult game to one beyond reach due to his black card foul and missing 2 relative sitters.
On the day Mayo totally deserved the victory which was not overly enhanced by the bould Barry. Monaghan managed the black card period poorly, however once McManus returned Mayo failed to keep the pressure on, Monaghan steadied the game and reduced the deficit to a manageable 3. I thought then maybe Monaghan could pull it off. I haven't quite worked out how Monaghan screwed up the second half, but Mayo found enough to stay well clear or enough clear.
That was a chronic 2nd half from Monaghan, not much better from Mayo either. Mayo as expected struggled without O'Donoghue in addition to losing Conroy earlier in the year and were there for taking. Mayo went over 20 minutes without a score too, Monaghan lacked any sort of cohesion going forward, some of their passing was hopeless; Perhaps Mayo deserve credit for that.
Will McManus retire?
McManus, 2 Hughes Brothers, Karl O'Connell, Fintan Kelly, possible Colin Walsh all likely retire, Monaghan likely drop bck into the pack. That Team brought them 2 Ulster titles and a couple of All Ireland semis I think.
Say it ain't so, Wildweasel.
O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Oh - I thought O'Connell was younger. They may struggle bit over the next few years if a lot of those guys retire.
Is that the end of Monaghan?
Monaghan have had some run of it for the last 10 years and perhaps with a bit more luck should have got to an AI final or certainly a few more semis. However i think their goose is cooked now. McManus looks a shadow of the player he once was and McCarron whilst very skilful can be tied down a lot more easily. Given the age profile of that side they could easily slide downwards very quickly as they might have a lot of players retiring at the same time. Even the lads around 30 will look at it and think that the county might have to spend a few years in transition and question whether it is worth the commitment.
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Is that the end of Monaghan?
You have been alluding to the end of Monaghan for the past 10 years. :D
We are past the end stage, now it's the new beginning.
In Bantystan it's always the beginning
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O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Able to retain players for so long has been one of Monaghan's strengths but that crop has grown old together now and Monaghan will need to look to freshen up the starting team under likely new management with more 19 to 23 year olds.
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O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Able to retain players for so long has been one of Monaghan's strengths but that crop has grown old together now and Monaghan will need to look to freshen up the starting team under likely new management with more 19 to 23 year olds.
I mentioned on an earlier post that McManus had been a quality forward for the last decade.
Did not realize he started in 2007,
Like the rest mentioned above they have put their time in, they have over six months to think about their future. Given their commitment for so long, they should be left alone and decide themselves.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 07, 2022, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Able to retain players for so long has been one of Monaghan's strengths but that crop has grown old together now and Monaghan will need to look to freshen up the starting team under likely new management with more 19 to 23 year olds.
Monaghan appeared in 3 consecutive Ulster minor finals between 2018-2020. Think there are a few lads from those teams on the panel, but have yet to make the break through. Maybe the older lads are slowing that process, or maybe they're not quite the standard required yet.
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Drew Wylie is for the most part is an used sub, same for Colin Walshe. McManus's question is about his physical fitness, if he feels he can't do it anymore as Paul Finlay did, then he'll retire. the rest are still viable players.
Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2022, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Drew Wylie is for the most part is an used sub, same for Colin Walshe. McManus's question is about his physical fitness, if he feels he can't do it anymore as Paul Finlay did, then he'll retire. the rest are still viable players.
The transition from a great team to another decent team is one of the hardest things to execute in sport. Kilkenny still haven't managed it.
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2022, 09:57:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2022, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Drew Wylie is for the most part is an used sub, same for Colin Walshe. McManus's question is about his physical fitness, if he feels he can't do it anymore as Paul Finlay did, then he'll retire. the rest are still viable players.
The transition from a great team to another decent team is one of the hardest things to execute in sport. Kilkenny still haven't managed it.
Monaghan a great team?
Quote from: Cavan19 on June 08, 2022, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2022, 09:57:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2022, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Drew Wylie is for the most part is an used sub, same for Colin Walshe. McManus's question is about his physical fitness, if he feels he can't do it anymore as Paul Finlay did, then he'll retire. the rest are still viable players.
The transition from a great team to another decent team is one of the hardest things to execute in sport. Kilkenny still haven't managed it.
Monaghan a great team?
Best team to come out of Monaghan and Cavan in at least 20 years, I would say.
Nudie was on the last great Monaghan team.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0608/1303595-spillane-mayo-badly-lacking-scoring-power/
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2022, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on June 08, 2022, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2022, 09:57:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2022, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
O'Connell wouldn't be that old would he? Walshe was playing sigerson not that long ago too - he shouldn't be that old yet? I would imagine Darren may retire but not Kieran. I don't think a couple of all ireland semis - maybe one?
From the semi-final programme:
Walshe - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2010
D Wylie - 35 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
Duffy - 31 - C'ship Debut Kildare 2010
F Kelly - 32 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
O'Connell - 34 - C'ship Debut Antrim 2012
D Hughes - 35 - C'ship Debut Derry 2007
K Hughes - 31 - C'ship Debut Armagh 2009
C McManus - 34 - C'ship Debut Down 2007
Could throw in Beggan and McCarron (who will be 31 & 30 respectively next year) as well making their C'Ship debuts in 2013. Lots of fellas with plenty of county miles on the clock at this stage. But, you'd think that McManus, Wylie, O'Connell and Hughes (snr) would be the only ones considering their position. Was mentioned in commentary during Saturdays game that Hughes (jnr) wouldn't even contemplate retiring if his older brother was still playing as it would look really bad. ;D
Drew Wylie is for the most part is an used sub, same for Colin Walshe. McManus's question is about his physical fitness, if he feels he can't do it anymore as Paul Finlay did, then he'll retire. the rest are still viable players.
The transition from a great team to another decent team is one of the hardest things to execute in sport. Kilkenny still haven't managed it.
Monaghan a great team?
Best team to come out of Monaghan and Cavan in at least 20 years, I would say.
Nudie was on the last great Monaghan team.
Maybe so but not a great team in my opinion. They won 2 ulster titles in your 20 year period.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0608/1303646-gaa-superstitions-joe-canning-paidi-o-se-derek-mcgrath-tyrone/the Monaghan footballers have their own seats on the team bus.
Banty needs to look at this. Maybe they need a new bus