Poll
Question:
Which is the Better Action Plan for Mayo: Liam Horan's or the County Board's?
Option 1: Horan's
votes: 18
Option 2: The Board's
votes: 2
Option 3: Action Plan? What Action Plan?
votes: 0
Links to both plans here: http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12732:review-committee-slams-mayo-gaa-plan&catid=14&Itemid=100008
What do you think? Do you even care?
I have voted for Liam's.
yet again our County Board has ensured that we remain in the dark ages.
however the Committee Report cannot be 100% perfect and I think they were stupid with their all or nothing approach.
Perhaps they were Barney but the Board's approach in all of this has been nothing short of disgraceful. They commissioned a 'root and branch' report. They got one. It didn't suit their interests so they instead produced their own version, very much an exercise in cosmetics. As Horan said, to tick a box that Mayo have submitted a strategic plan. It sickens me. We had a chance to implement real change. The board wasn't willing to allow it but the clubs sat on their hands. Again. As a county we have got what we deserve.
Quote from: Barney on May 19, 2011, 12:34:52 PM
I have voted for Liam's.
yet again our County Board has ensured that we remain in the dark ages.
however the Committee Report cannot be 100% perfect and I think they were stupid with their all or nothing approach.
I don't think the Horanistas would have dug if the weight and, more importantly, the spirit of the report was implemented. If the Board has taken their review seriously. But the Board were obviously only interested in optics from the start. Very depressing.
Are we really suprised by this. Look at what has gone on in Mc Hale Park, a vanity project with all the "perks" for our "elected" county board members. Who is left footing the bill, the poor old clubs who are struggling now to field teams. Our county board are only interested in self preservation and hanging on to all the trimmings of been in office. F**k the lot of them. These were some of the men who, in order to push Mayo forward were willing to run with O Dwyer as manager!! This While every club in the county is flat broke!! Someone needs to shine a torch in to some of the corners of our board's dealings and goings -on. Horan is dead right in all he says. Maybe the Ballintubber Horan might be able to have a word in their ear. I won't hold my breath.
Nobody to blame but the clubs. To many clubs are run by spineless yokels who won't organise themselves and work together to get things done. This is a disgrace and is far more important to Mayo football than the London game which has 14 pages of posts. I've expressed my deep desire to see Mayo win an All Ireland here before but when I see this happen I'm begining to think that a county which allows this to happen without so much as a murmum is getting exactly what it deserves - fcuk all.
I don't know enough about Mayo GAA at local level to comment on whether the Mayo boards plan is what is needed but I find it astonishing that the board can ask 'neutral' Mayo men to formulate a strategic plan and then dismiss it in favour of their own and the Mayo clubs bend over and accept this.
A black day for Mayo GAA and one which has ensured that Mayo will win nothing of note for many many years.
Quote from: Zulu on May 25, 2011, 04:02:09 PM
Nobody to blame but the clubs. To many clubs are run by spineless yokels who won't organise themselves and work together to get things done. This is a disgrace and is far more important to Mayo football than the London game which has 14 pages of posts. I've expressed my deep desire to see Mayo win an All Ireland here before but when I see this happen I'm begining to think that a county which allows this to happen without so much as a murmum is getting exactly what it deserves - fcuk all.
I don't know enough about Mayo GAA at local level to comment on whether the Mayo boards plan is what is needed but I find it astonishing that the board can ask 'neutral' Mayo men to formulate a strategic plan and then dismiss it in favour of their own and the Mayo clubs bend over and accept this.
A black day for Mayo GAA and one which has ensured that Mayo will win nothing of note for many many years.
So you have no idea whether the board's plan is what is needed, but you know that it has ensured that Mayo will nothing of note for many years? ???
I agree on your point re the clubs though - the club delegates are the ones who ultimately decide whether it's accepted or not.
I haven't seen the CB plan though, so I can't say what it's value is.
The point I was making is that there didn't seem to be any real debate about the merits of the CB plan. Therefore how can the clubs know if their plan is the way forward? Remember this is a plan for the future development of Mayo GAA, surely that deserves a serious debate, especially in an underachieving county like Mayo. If Mayo don't get their act together they could be left behind, so clubs should have questioned every small detail of both plans and not voted until every question was answered and the reason the CB rejected certain aspects of the strategic plan should have been justified.
Zulu you are 100% right on this. Any talk in recent weeks was about the London game and not the debate, or lack of such, with regard to the strategic plans. When the Action Group's plan was first released there was a bit of momentum behind it but the County Board, being the experienced sleevens that they are, sat tight on it, knew it would lose its impetus and brought their own glib plan to the table amidst a sea of indifference. Too many people don't care when it matters. Who really should give a f**k about who plays CHB against London by comparison with the significance of this? Let their be no crying when we fade out this summer again about making changes. The County Board and the clubs were given the chance to embrace change and turned their back on it.
If I may say so Sniper I agree with you. But isn't the problem that at every club AGM you have been to, or in me own case, year in year out, AGM's with different clubs :-[, when the jobs are up for grabs its very hard to fill the top chairs. So in a club its either the same browbeaten reliable duty bound volunteer who takes a job or the guy with the bit of an ego who wants to rub shoulders with the big boys who will end up representing the club.
One guy only half wants to be there and the other who loves it will no way in hell rock the boat.
Just my opinion from observing over the years. :'(
Quote from: nephinman on May 26, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
If I may say so Sniper I agree with you. But isn't the problem that at every club AGM you have been to, or in me own case, year in year out, AGM's with different clubs :-[, when the jobs are up for grabs its very hard to fill the top chairs. So in a club its either the same browbeaten reliable duty bound volunteer who takes a job or the guy with the bit of an ego who wants to rub shoulders with the big boys who will end up representing the club.
One guy only half wants to be there and the other who loves it will no way in hell rock the boat.
Just my opinion from observing over the years. :'(
You're spot on nephinman. That's the craic in most clubs. The County Board only love that. Delegates are all too often fodder for the board who are kept happy with ticket access etc when the good times come. I think the GAA needs to badly look at its structure. We only have a facade of democracy. Either the club secretary or chairman must be the county board delegate as well or some other method needs to be used to ensure that the delegate sent over doesn't turn out to be a yes man which happens at the moment all too often when the club's delegate is far from the top of their priorities.
Bump!
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 26, 2011, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: nephinman on May 26, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
If I may say so Sniper I agree with you. But isn't the problem that at every club AGM you have been to, or in me own case, year in year out, AGM's with different clubs :-[, when the jobs are up for grabs its very hard to fill the top chairs. So in a club its either the same browbeaten reliable duty bound volunteer who takes a job or the guy with the bit of an ego who wants to rub shoulders with the big boys who will end up representing the club.
One guy only half wants to be there and the other who loves it will no way in hell rock the boat.
Just my opinion from observing over the years. :'(
You're spot on nephinman. That's the craic in most clubs. The County Board only love that. Delegates are all too often fodder for the board who are kept happy with ticket access etc when the good times come. I think the GAA needs to badly look at its structure. We only have a facade of democracy. Either the club secretary or chairman must be the county board delegate as well or some other method needs to be used to ensure that the delegate sent over doesn't turn out to be a yes man which happens at the moment all too often when the club's delegate is far from the top of their priorities.
Yesterdays debacle only add to the mess now. A private vote on this is what is required by ALL club members in the county and also for Feeney to shut his big mouth in the run up to championship games from now on. pigs flying and all that..... i know.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 26, 2011, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: nephinman on May 26, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
If I may say so Sniper I agree with you. But isn't the problem that at every club AGM you have been to, or in me own case, year in year out, AGM's with different clubs :-[, when the jobs are up for grabs its very hard to fill the top chairs. So in a club its either the same browbeaten reliable duty bound volunteer who takes a job or the guy with the bit of an ego who wants to rub shoulders with the big boys who will end up representing the club.
One guy only half wants to be there and the other who loves it will no way in hell rock the boat.
Just my opinion from observing over the years. :'(
You're spot on nephinman. That's the craic in most clubs. The County Board only love that. Delegates are all too often fodder for the board who are kept happy with ticket access etc when the good times come. I think the GAA needs to badly look at its structure. We only have a facade of democracy. Either the club secretary or chairman must be the county board delegate as well or some other method needs to be used to ensure that the delegate sent over doesn't turn out to be a yes man which happens at the moment all too often when the club's delegate is far from the top of their priorities.
ye two lads have yer fingers on the pulse as regards the co board and delegates. i can add a little to that however.
our club had a admitadely brief discussion about the Plan a couple of weeks ago. basically our delegate was told by the assembled members who obviously hadnt read the bloody thing - do whatever the county board wants cos they will screw us if we dont.
after sundays farce we are now going to struggle in a massive way to sell the fecking co board draw tickets. if i had my own way id tell them to shove mchale park up their arses and let us get on with trying to put footballs in the hands of young fellas and jerseys on their backs.
as far as im concerned the county board are a shower of - insert your own expletives here....
Quote from: prewtna on May 30, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 26, 2011, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: nephinman on May 26, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
If I may say so Sniper I agree with you. But isn't the problem that at every club AGM you have been to, or in me own case, year in year out, AGM's with different clubs :-[, when the jobs are up for grabs its very hard to fill the top chairs. So in a club its either the same browbeaten reliable duty bound volunteer who takes a job or the guy with the bit of an ego who wants to rub shoulders with the big boys who will end up representing the club.
One guy only half wants to be there and the other who loves it will no way in hell rock the boat.
Just my opinion from observing over the years. :'(
You're spot on nephinman. That's the craic in most clubs. The County Board only love that. Delegates are all too often fodder for the board who are kept happy with ticket access etc when the good times come. I think the GAA needs to badly look at its structure. We only have a facade of democracy. Either the club secretary or chairman must be the county board delegate as well or some other method needs to be used to ensure that the delegate sent over doesn't turn out to be a yes man which happens at the moment all too often when the club's delegate is far from the top of their priorities.
ye two lads have yer fingers on the pulse as regards the co board and delegates. i can add a little to that however.
our club had a admitadely brief discussion about the Plan a couple of weeks ago. basically our delegate was told by the assembled members who obviously hadnt read the bloody thing - do whatever the county board wants cos they will screw us if we dont.
after sundays farce we are now going to struggle in a massive way to sell the fecking co board draw tickets. if i had my own way id tell them to shove mchale park up their arses and let us get on with trying to put footballs in the hands of young fellas and jerseys on their backs.
as far as im concerned the county board are a shower of - insert your own expletives here....
Nail on head, we have to shift 153 of these tickets, we have about 130 members. sickening.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on May 30, 2011, 03:57:23 PM
Quote from: prewtna on May 30, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 26, 2011, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: nephinman on May 26, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
If I may say so Sniper I agree with you. But isn't the problem that at every club AGM you have been to, or in me own case, year in year out, AGM's with different clubs :-[, when the jobs are up for grabs its very hard to fill the top chairs. So in a club its either the same browbeaten reliable duty bound volunteer who takes a job or the guy with the bit of an ego who wants to rub shoulders with the big boys who will end up representing the club.
One guy only half wants to be there and the other who loves it will no way in hell rock the boat.
Just my opinion from observing over the years. :'(
You're spot on nephinman. That's the craic in most clubs. The County Board only love that. Delegates are all too often fodder for the board who are kept happy with ticket access etc when the good times come. I think the GAA needs to badly look at its structure. We only have a facade of democracy. Either the club secretary or chairman must be the county board delegate as well or some other method needs to be used to ensure that the delegate sent over doesn't turn out to be a yes man which happens at the moment all too often when the club's delegate is far from the top of their priorities.
ye two lads have yer fingers on the pulse as regards the co board and delegates. i can add a little to that however.
our club had a admitadely brief discussion about the Plan a couple of weeks ago. basically our delegate was told by the assembled members who obviously hadnt read the bloody thing - do whatever the county board wants cos they will screw us if we dont.
after sundays farce we are now going to struggle in a massive way to sell the fecking co board draw tickets. if i had my own way id tell them to shove mchale park up their arses and let us get on with trying to put footballs in the hands of young fellas and jerseys on their backs.
as far as im concerned the county board are a shower of - insert your own expletives here....
Nail on head, we have to shift 153 of these tickets, we have about 130 members. sickening.
the clubs need to get together and tell the county board fairly soon what to do with thier tickets. Do they realaise how hard it is to sell €100 euro tickets in this current climate. They have saddled the clubs with debt and one has to question their motives . How much did they mc hale park development cost ? i was watching armagh on saturday and i'm sure i'm sure i hear marty morrisey saying that the develpoment cost 5 million but jesus there is no comparision in the two stadiums . f**king sick of the lot of them >:(
Good article in this weeks Mayo news from sean rice about the action plan debacle.The whole saga would make you despair for the future of mayo football.Anybody know what the final cost of the mchale park renovation is?
Like all the plans that have gone before it,consigned to the bin and forgotten about
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/mayo-county-board-under-pressure-over-handling-of-financial-affairs-529630.html (http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/mayo-county-board-under-pressure-over-handling-of-financial-affairs-529630.html)
Quote from: muppet on November 24, 2011, 04:58:51 PM
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/mayo-county-board-under-pressure-over-handling-of-financial-affairs-529630.html (http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/mayo-county-board-under-pressure-over-handling-of-financial-affairs-529630.html)
It is a frightening state of affairs and the compliance of the clubs in all of this is a scandal. The project should never have been signed off in the first place. By the time most people realise how bad the problem is, it will be too late to do anything other than drastic about it. People think losing to Longford was bad for Mayo football. It was of little significance in comparison to this.
Frightening indeed the over-run on the cost of this. To think that Eur10,000 a week is needed to pay the interest only on the debt. That sort of money isnt available around Mayo GAA at the moment. And to think that we were all asked to dig deep over the past decade as things were tight. If things were tight why in the hell was so much borrowed.
The only way out of this that I can see is to split the McHale Park project away from the day to day runnings of the county board. All the bad debt and problems to be seperated away from the county board and a proper McHale Park management committee put in place. This way the committees sole job is to make it viable and pay back its debts. Concerts, shows, fairs, weddings and festivals will have to be looked at to get money flowing in. A full time CEO or Marketing person will be needed for this. Seperate to that will be the county GAA board which deals solely with GAA teams, games, coaching and the day-to-day running of the GAA in Mayo. Mayo GAA needs professional direction over the next few years or else this problem could escalate into clubs folding due to defaulting on their Eur15,000 affiliations at the start of the year. Its a serious crisis alright.
Well, the County Board AGM on tomorrow night, Monday 5th. Watch the lads cut it up between them, the power hungry guys with the ego's. Will they say their goodbyes, thank everyone and walk away. I don't think so. Watch the same faces stick and shaft all round them just to stay in the loop.
And ya know what, we as gaa people have let them & done feck all about it. They canvass, charm & nod/wink at our club delegates you know, many of whom feel they are in the inner sanctum. This is where we should start in our clubs and airbriush our own gooks out of their little cabals.
Anyways, got that off mine chest tonight :-\
It looks like we're being led into the storm by a captain that everyone wants to mutiny against...
Just like this country after the bluster that came out on television :) (Ah no, Enda's not that bad...)
Will anything of substance happen at this meeting tonight or will it just be the status quo again?
was anyone at the county convention last night?
i didnt make it myself - geesala is a bit too much of a trek on a busy weekday evening with clients screaming for stuff to go out the door before xmas. you'd almost think they didnt want us to go?!!
fecking thing should be mchale park on a weekend afternoon - i think it was kiltaine who proposed something along these lines in the little book they sent out.
Well it looks like one top cat who wanted to stay in the game (like i stated above) got his ar*e handed to him on a plate big time. The clubs saw it for what it was and fair play to the & in particular North mayo clubs, well done, I tip my hat to you all ;D.
Pity some more of the same Gooks got put back in ???
Anyway more later,
Nephinman ;)
Thanks Nephinman... Maybe the clubs were taking it easy and we're gunna knock them off their perch one at a time?! ::) :D
There's a great debate/discussion/row going on over on http://mayogaablog.com/?p=8860 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=8860) for those with an interest in the finances of the Co Board and the fall-out from the strategic review.