Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?

[Rossfan]

How do Clubs in Laois treat the SFC "B"?
Is there any incentive to win it?

[Milltown Row2]

How do Clubs in Laois treat the SFC "B"?
Is there any incentive to win it?

Would winning it not keep you in SFC "A" for next year?

[johnnycool]

I wanted to compare the club setups around the country but there was enough statistical significance in 5.
The problem with the clubs is the all Ireland at the end. Leinster and Ulster need 4 weekends to run off . The all Ireland is another 2.

County Boards are incredibly busy running off myriad competitions.

Here are 5 counties with latest status this weekend.

Laois
Number in Round Robin Groups : 8

Latest RRG round : 3


http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=31915.0
https://laoisgaa.ie/fixtures-results/?owner=2160&orderTBCLast=Y&resultsOnly=Y&noTBC=Y&showByeGames=N&compStyle=football

2.Antrim. Already at quarter final stage

3. Derry
RRG group size : 6
Latest RRG group : 4
https://derrygaa.ie/results/?countyBoardID=7&resultsOnly=Y&daysPrevious=28&reverseDateOrder=Y

4. Galway
RRGs 3
Size of RRG : 6
Latest round 3

5. Tyrone
It's a knockout .
So there are 32 different systems.
This is not good enough especially with the provincial/all Ireland at the end.

If there are qfs add 3
Add 4 for provincial
Add 2 for all Ireland
That's 9 weeks.
Add a margin.

The player load has been moved to the clubs. Especially dual clubs.

I counted 13 weeks to the first week in December.

Laois SFC doesn't have round robin groups. It has an open draw for 16 teams with a backdoor and a SFC "B" and relegation process for those who don't make the quarter finals.

Thanks for the clarification. There is no consistency at county level.

There doesn't need to be.

Each county is entitled to organise their club games they see fit. Cork and Kerry allow amalgamations/regional teams in their club champions, most others don't.

Tyrone are one of the few counties who run off a knock out championship, so if that's what the clubs want then fire on I say.

Down hurling has a round robin hurling championship, probably due to the low number of clubs whereas the Down senior football championship has a back door where teams beaten in the first round get a second bite at the cherry.

[seafoid]

I wanted to compare the club setups around the country but there was enough statistical significance in 5.
The problem with the clubs is the all Ireland at the end. Leinster and Ulster need 4 weekends to run off . The all Ireland is another 2.

County Boards are incredibly busy running off myriad competitions.

Here are 5 counties with latest status this weekend.

Laois
Number in Round Robin Groups : 8

Latest RRG round : 3


http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=31915.0
https://laoisgaa.ie/fixtures-results/?owner=2160&orderTBCLast=Y&resultsOnly=Y&noTBC=Y&showByeGames=N&compStyle=football

2.Antrim. Already at quarter final stage

3. Derry
RRG group size : 6
Latest RRG group : 4
https://derrygaa.ie/results/?countyBoardID=7&resultsOnly=Y&daysPrevious=28&reverseDateOrder=Y

4. Galway
RRGs 3
Size of RRG : 6
Latest round 3

5. Tyrone
It's a knockout .
So there are 32 different systems.
This is not good enough especially with the provincial/all Ireland at the end.

If there are qfs add 3
Add 4 for provincial
Add 2 for all Ireland
That's 9 weeks.
Add a margin.

The player load has been moved to the clubs. Especially dual clubs.

I counted 13 weeks to the first week in December.

Laois SFC doesn't have round robin groups. It has an open draw for 16 teams with a backdoor and a SFC "B" and relegation process for those who don't make the quarter finals.

Thanks for the clarification. There is no consistency at county level.

There doesn't need to be.

Each county is entitled to organise their club games they see fit. Cork and Kerry allow amalgamations/regional teams in their club champions, most others don't.

Tyrone are one of the few counties who run off a knock out championship, so if that's what the clubs want then fire on I say.

Down hurling has a round robin hurling championship, probably due to the low number of clubs whereas the Down senior football championship has a back door where teams beaten in the first round get a second bite at the cherry.

That was true but in the new system they have to run it off in the calendar year. They can't.  It's very GAA.

[trailer]

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/28/news/_what_does_championship_football_mean_-_club_scene_being_diluted_as_counties_struggle_to_adapt_to_split_season-3565581/

Good read

[joemamas]

It is a huge success if you are a FAI or Rugger administrator or supporter.
I will challenge anyone to some up with GAA coverage on RTE, Independent or Irish Times from August 3rd to January 31st.
The Saturday edition of Times on August 5th (week after the all-Ireland) had 3 pages of Soccer, 2 pages of Rugby, one horse racing, 1/3 gaelic games.
It will be like that until next January, barring the odd manager change or retirement.
Wonderful PR move by GAA. You really could not make it up.

[seafoid]

It is a huge success if you are a FAI or Rugger administrator or supporter.
I will challenge anyone to some up with GAA coverage on RTE, Independent or Irish Times from August 3rd to January 31st.
The Saturday edition of Times on August 5th (week after the all-Ireland) had 3 pages of Soccer, 2 pages of Rugby, one horse racing, 1/3 gaelic games.
It will be like that until next January, barring the odd manager change or retirement.
Wonderful PR move by GAA. You really could not make it up.

Sunday sport on RTE had maybe 20 minutes GAA last Sunday  with a Jimmy McGuinness discussion and something about the new Cavan manager. It was athletics, rugby, horseracing and soccer for the rest of the 5 hours

[Rossfan]

If we need 11 months of Co gaelic games fir the Independent and Times when do Club Championships get played?

There were probably 600 to 700 adult Championship games played each weekend in August.

[shark]

Why does it even matter? If the GAA cared about it enough, they could market direct to consumer. And they wouldn't be doing that via newspapers that nobody under 40 reads.
The all Ireland hurling final had practically no media build up as the teams involved wouldn't engage. That has nothing to do with the game being played in July instead of September.

[seafoid]

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/earlier-start-to-inter-county-season-flagged-in-latest-review/a1520625182.html


Earlier start to inter-county season flagged in latest review

League finals to stay but other ways to create calendar gaps on the table

An earlier start to the inter-county season remains a possibility as the GAA's Central Competition Controls Committee seeks to create a gap in the calendar between league football finals and the start of the provincial football championships.

This year Mayo played a Division 1 league final against Galway seven days before their Connacht quarter-final against Roscommon which they lost. Sligo had a Division 4 final against Wicklow the week before they played London in the Connacht Championship while Wicklow were out against Carlow in the Leinster Championship within the same timeframe.

At the July Central Council there was a view established that league finals should be retained but efforts to create a better window between league and championship should be made.

This has led to a follow on survey for counties to answer which has been circulated ahead of a further Central Council meeting on the weekend after next that will determine what tweaks, if any, to the 2024 calendar should be made.



Among the discussion points raised by CCCC in their latest communication to the counties are the possibility of bringing forward to start of the leagues by one week (January 20/21 in 2024) and playing league finals on the last weekend in March instead of the first weekend in April.

Doing that however would require the All-Ireland club finals to be brought forward by one week to January 13/14 which in turn would require provincial club championships to start a week earlier than already scheduled and perhaps mean counties reviewing their current county final dates.

[Rossfan]

60% of Cos apparently want football League Finals abolished plus the CCCC.
Any proposals for changing the Hurley stuff League which seems to have as many knock out rounds as League Rounds. Why can't they have Divisions 1,2,3 etc instead of 2A, 2B etc?

As for the Split season I wonder could those decrying it (Spillane, Breheny and others) ever give us their solutions?

[Louther]

It is a huge success if you are a FAI or Rugger administrator or supporter.
I will challenge anyone to some up with GAA coverage on RTE, Independent or Irish Times from August 3rd to January 31st.
The Saturday edition of Times on August 5th (week after the all-Ireland) had 3 pages of Soccer, 2 pages of Rugby, one horse racing, 1/3 gaelic games.
It will be like that until next January, barring the odd manager change or retirement.
Wonderful PR move by GAA. You really could not make it up.

What is this PR that you talk of and what is the goal of it? Barring the odd manager talk we get very little during the season. God forbid a player would actually speak or a county would hold a media day or the like.
We got months of PR and had lots of coverage and for what gain? Is more little Johnies or Mary's playing now cause they read an interview with Dessie Farrell in the Indo in May? Or are more little Johnies and Mary's playing now cause their clubs and counties have been slogging  away all year getting into schools, running training sessions, organising blitz's, holding camps, etc

The PR of the GAA is on your doorsteps. In a few weeks times there will be countless parishes alive with talk of county finals at various levels, underage teams are celebrating wins already, their own social media channels are alive with content from friends and rivals, local papers be covering the games and at some stage the national media will row in as well. Clubs and counties like never before are streaming matches to reach out to the local community.

If you waiting on the national media, you'll be waiting. The PR is there, it's just some who don't care or want to see it.

[seafoid]

60% of Cos apparently want football League Finals abolished plus the CCCC.
Any proposals for changing the Hurley stuff League which seems to have as many knock out rounds as League Rounds. Why can't they have Divisions 1,2,3 etc instead of 2A, 2B etc?

As for the Split season I wonder could those decrying it (Spillane, Breheny and others) ever give us their solutions?

Hurling is played at different levels. So is football but nobody wants to talk about it. The hurling league below div 1 is a development league.

[Eire90]

if they get rid hurling leagues will they make the all ireland an open draw and get rid of provincials i cant see provincial councils being happy with that.

[seafoid]

The big difference between the current split season and the previous arrangements relates to the number of matches that  every team plays

For the split season what counts is what has changed.

For the Sam Maguire and Tailteann there are now 4 round robin groups of 4 . Each group generates 6 matches. 3(matches per team)*4(number of teams)/2(teams per match) is the formula.
The total for "obligatory" matches is 6 (games)*4(groups) *2(competitions) = 48

For club there are lots of variations but say that 2 round robin groups of 8 replace the "Tyrone system" of 16 sudden death.
1 round robin group of 8 generates 7 (matches per team)*8 (number of teams)/2 (teams per match) =28 matches. Multiply by 2 = 56

The core group effected is the "county players" who are club stars and play with the  county. Every county is impacted because of the Tailteann.
Clifford is  one of them. He won a club all Ireland with Fossa in Jan and played in the final versus Dublin. He is probably back playing club.
He may be the best thing since sliced bread but he is playing too many matches. So are the rest of them.

The ESRI report focused on player welfare. The GAA got hooked.

I don't object to the concept of the split season if the hurling season is released from the orbit of football . But I would like the club and county systems to be sustainable.