Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?

Started by full moon, May 07, 2022, 12:15:48 PM

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Earlier Championship

Success
60 (37.3%)
Failure
67 (41.6%)
Too early to say
34 (21.1%)

Total Members Voted: 161

Rossfan

Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2023, 12:24:39 PM
Circa 57k attendances at the 4 Pre QF games.
Will the QFs exceed 100k next weekend?
Sunday officially sold out, 65k expected Saturday.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

shark

Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2023, 07:46:32 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 30, 2023, 06:47:53 AM
You can see the points there but 3 games in a month is not uncommon in any sport.
Plus they would be getting slogged in training and playing midweek challenge games any other year too.

Like there are lads who will say GAA players are fitter and better prepped that League of Ireland. They don't complain about games every week, plus the odd vup mstch.

It boils down to how they prepare too. These 'highly rated S&C coaches' obviously haven't moved on.

It will be pushed back a bit and tweaked. Like some counties won't start club championship for ages.
LoI is professional. They have large squads- Shamrock Rovers have a squad of 33 players.  If Shamrock Rovers have an injury crisis they can use the squad or buy in players for next season.
If they are successful they earn money to buy players. If GAA was like LoI Shamrock Rovers could buy Clifford.

GAA is a totally different model.

To which they are limited. An intercounty GAA manager has the pick of hundreds of players.
Injuries are part of sport. Only one team is going to win the all-Ireland, no matter how many players get injured.

seafoid

Quote from: shark on June 30, 2023, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2023, 07:46:32 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 30, 2023, 06:47:53 AM
You can see the points there but 3 games in a month is not uncommon in any sport.
Plus they would be getting slogged in training and playing midweek challenge games any other year too.

Like there are lads who will say GAA players are fitter and better prepped that League of Ireland. They don't complain about games every week, plus the odd vup mstch.

It boils down to how they prepare too. These 'highly rated S&C coaches' obviously haven't moved on.

It will be pushed back a bit and tweaked. Like some counties won't start club championship for ages.
LoI is professional. They have large squads- Shamrock Rovers have a squad of 33 players.  If Shamrock Rovers have an injury crisis they can use the squad or buy in players for next season.
If they are successful they earn money to buy players. If GAA was like LoI Shamrock Rovers could buy Clifford.

GAA is a totally different model.

To which they are limited. An intercounty GAA manager has the pick of hundreds of players.
Injuries are part of sport. Only one team is going to win the all-Ireland, no matter how many players get injured.
Injuries are more likely under the new system. 3 of the hurling semi finalists have several players with  injuries.

seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/07/03/finishing-top-of-round-robin-group-pays-off-in-championship-quarter-finals/

There are informative stats from American Football whereby the teams who sit waiting to face the winners of the Wild Card weekend emerge victorious from that subsequent game approximately 74 per cent of the time.

Captain Scarlet

So we are giving up the summer to other sports!!!
But right now with little on and big games taking place there are no media days and no coverage.
them mysterons are always killing me but im grand after a few days.sickenin aul dose all the same.

Louther

Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2023, 07:26:21 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/07/03/finishing-top-of-round-robin-group-pays-off-in-championship-quarter-finals/

There are informative stats from American Football whereby the teams who sit waiting to face the winners of the Wild Card weekend emerge victorious from that subsequent game approximately 74 per cent of the time.

Or to put it another way, the teams that have preformed better and win more games over the season also win the knockout game 3 out of 4 times.

Blowitupref

I see HQ are looking at getting rid of league finals in an effort to free up the calendar. Are pre season competitions untouchable? Surely it would make more sense to start the NFL mid January instead of the last weekend of the month. Option B should be to push the AI final out to early August.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Eire90

does that mean more dead rubbers in the league if zero finals

Eire90

I did not like splitting the league into two groups during covid but maybe split the league into two groups of 4  play each team in group once and one cross-over game with other group.  group winners into semi finals  2nd v 3rd in quarter finals  teams that finish bottom of group are relegated maybe you could have only one team promoted so the two bottom teams in groups play each other to see who goes down. Another option would be one team automatically promoted and the loser of division 2 final plays winner of division automatic relation final.

full moon

League finals may as well go, I think the lower leagues aren't as fussed anymore. Croke Park is always empty and even when Mayo won the league this year, the schedule would have killed their celebrations with a championship match the following weekend.

Rossfan

Nothing wrong with team that tops the table being League Champions......except of course the € from the D1/D2 Final.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

twohands!!!

Quote from: Eire90 on July 05, 2023, 05:12:06 PM
does that mean more dead rubbers in the league if zero finals

The championship link with the league place structure means that even if the finals go that the league games aren't going to be meaningless.

Derryman forever

I always felt that topping the table should have been sufficient to be called champion.

Eire90

how many counties have already started their county championship.

Eire90

would having the league final at the home of the table toppers not have  a better atmosphere.