Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?

Started by full moon, May 07, 2022, 12:15:48 PM

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Earlier Championship

Success
60 (37.3%)
Failure
67 (41.6%)
Too early to say
34 (21.1%)

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Eire90

#750
October 01, 2023, 04:49:00 PM
what are club attendances like  outside of finals


Cunny Funt

#751
October 01, 2023, 05:33:55 PM
Have noticed a few national media journalist are pushing their opinion hard that the earlier Championship and split season has been overriding success.  I'd still be in the "Too early to say" category.  I see for next year all U20 football provincial championships will be round robin formats and the Minor All Ireland to have B comp for teams that don't reach the last 8.  So a lot more inter county games in already congested window but those age groups did need more games for their development.

Rossfan

#752
October 01, 2023, 11:35:55 PM
Those Inter County games will still be in the Inter Co window
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

#753
October 02, 2023, 07:15:31 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 01, 2023, 05:33:55 PMHave noticed a few national media journalist are pushing their opinion hard that the earlier Championship and split season has been overriding success.  I'd still be in the "Too early to say" category.  I see for next year all U20 football provincial championships will be round robin formats and the Minor All Ireland to have B comp for teams that don't reach the last 8.  So a lot more inter county games in already congested window but those age groups did need more games for their development.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 01, 2023, 05:33:55 PMHave noticed a few national media journalist are pushing their opinion hard that the earlier Championship and split season has been overriding success.  I'd still be in the "Too early to say" category.  I see for next year all U20 football provincial championships will be round robin formats and the Minor All Ireland to have B comp for teams that don't reach the last 8.  So a lot more inter county games in already congested window but those age groups did need more games for their development.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 01, 2023, 05:33:55 PMHave noticed a few national media journalist are pushing their opinion hard that the earlier Championship and split season has been overriding success.  I'd still be in the "Too early to say" category.  I see for next year all U20 football provincial championships will be round robin formats and the Minor All Ireland to have B comp for teams that don't reach the last 8.  So a lot more inter county games in already congested window but those age groups did need more games for their development.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0106/1345281-timing-is-everything-calendar-sharpens-january-focus/

"The championship needs to be a bit longer, it's compressed a little bit too much"

"I think the split-season has been quite successful but I certainly wouldn't jump into it for the next 10 years without giving it really good thought about all the aspects," he says. "Particularly how you're going to grow the game and keep it at the forefront for young people.



https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0106/1345281-timing-is-everything-calendar-sharpens-january-focus/

"Every player now, you can never relax fully. You need to be ticking over in the down season. I think that maintenance work is going to ramp up even more in the next couple of years because of the split-season."


"I would like to see some definite down-time for all players," says Cheddar. "Even those last couple of weeks of the year. Everyone needs a break, even mentally.

"Take TJ Reid for example, one of the best hurlers of any generation, over the last few seasons he is playing well into the year with inter-county and then into the following year with his club Ballyhale.

"You probably have to have a bit of flexibility in year one but I would expect the GAA authorities to tighten up with that.
"I do think some counties do have to slim down to 12-team or 16-team championships to have them run off properly in a calendar season. I can understand the reasons why some counties have a Senior B championship but clear out all that rubbish, make it Senior, Intermediate and then Junior 1, Junior 2 etc.

"I think if all counties had that it would be much easier then to schedule games to make sure that your All-Ireland club championship is going to be held on the second Sunday in December."

"The championship needs to be a bit longer, it's compressed a little bit too much"



"I think the split-season has been quite successful but I certainly wouldn't jump into it for the next 10 years without giving it really good thought about all the aspects," he says. "Particularly how you're going to grow the game and keep it at the forefront for young people.

johnnycool

#754
October 02, 2023, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2023, 07:15:31 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 01, 2023, 05:33:55 PMHave noticed a few national media journalist are pushing their opinion hard that the earlier Championship and split season has been overriding success.  I'd still be in the "Too early to say" category.  I see for next year all U20 football provincial championships will be round robin formats and the Minor All Ireland to have B comp for teams that don't reach the last 8.  So a lot more inter county games in already congested window but those age groups did need more games for their development.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 01, 2023, 05:33:55 PMHave noticed a few national media journalist are pushing their opinion hard that the earlier Championship and split season has been overriding success.  I'd still be in the "Too early to say" category.  I see for next year all U20 football provincial championships will be round robin formats and the Minor All Ireland to have B comp for teams that don't reach the last 8.  So a lot more inter county games in already congested window but those age groups did need more games for their development.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 01, 2023, 05:33:55 PMHave noticed a few national media journalist are pushing their opinion hard that the earlier Championship and split season has been overriding success.  I'd still be in the "Too early to say" category.  I see for next year all U20 football provincial championships will be round robin formats and the Minor All Ireland to have B comp for teams that don't reach the last 8.  So a lot more inter county games in already congested window but those age groups did need more games for their development.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0106/1345281-timing-is-everything-calendar-sharpens-january-focus/

"The championship needs to be a bit longer, it's compressed a little bit too much"

"I think the split-season has been quite successful but I certainly wouldn't jump into it for the next 10 years without giving it really good thought about all the aspects," he says. "Particularly how you're going to grow the game and keep it at the forefront for young people.



https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0106/1345281-timing-is-everything-calendar-sharpens-january-focus/

"Every player now, you can never relax fully. You need to be ticking over in the down season. I think that maintenance work is going to ramp up even more in the next couple of years because of the split-season."


"I would like to see some definite down-time for all players," says Cheddar. "Even those last couple of weeks of the year. Everyone needs a break, even mentally.

"Take TJ Reid for example, one of the best hurlers of any generation, over the last few seasons he is playing well into the year with inter-county and then into the following year with his club Ballyhale.

"You probably have to have a bit of flexibility in year one but I would expect the GAA authorities to tighten up with that.
"I do think some counties do have to slim down to 12-team or 16-team championships to have them run off properly in a calendar season. I can understand the reasons why some counties have a Senior B championship but clear out all that rubbish, make it Senior, Intermediate and then Junior 1, Junior 2 etc.

"I think if all counties had that it would be much easier then to schedule games to make sure that your All-Ireland club championship is going to be held on the second Sunday in December."

"The championship needs to be a bit longer, it's compressed a little bit too much"



"I think the split-season has been quite successful but I certainly wouldn't jump into it for the next 10 years without giving it really good thought about all the aspects," he says. "Particularly how you're going to grow the game and keep it at the forefront for young people.


Right so, we change things to accommodate a handful of hurlers or footballers who happen to be on a successful club team in a successful county, yet the other 99.9% of club players get meaningful competition through the better months of late July and August with a bit of sun of their backs?
 

thewobbler

#755
October 02, 2023, 09:03:38 AM
Upon reading about poor old TJ, my mind went wandering up to Slaughtneil, where you'll find the likes of Brendan Rogers filling up any space created by the GAA with as many games as possible.

Cunny Funt

#756
October 02, 2023, 04:47:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2023, 11:35:55 PMThose Inter County games will still be in the Inter Co window

Yes in already congested window. Be interesting to see how much coverage U20 round Robin system will get, will for example the Connacht GAA stream games like they do with the U17 championship.

Rossfan

#757
October 02, 2023, 07:17:23 PM
Wonder will they have the same sequence of  fixtures in both and run them as double headers at weekends?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Eire90

#758
October 03, 2023, 02:59:37 AM Last Edit: October 03, 2023, 03:01:44 AM by Eire90
will ulster u20 go to a round robin i think only connaught and munster should be round robins really witn 2v3 in semi final.I think that should be the format for senior connaught and munster aswell

Cunny Funt

#759
October 03, 2023, 02:29:55 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 03, 2023, 02:59:37 AMwill ulster u20 go to a round robin i think only connaught and munster should be round robins really witn 2v3 in semi final.I think that should be the format for senior connaught and munster aswell

I think it's up to each province what they do. Leinster already a group format and Connacht was calling for it.

With a group format in the last 16 I don't think it will be needed for senior.

Rossfan

#760
October 04, 2023, 01:30:07 PM
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

#761
October 04, 2023, 05:38:32 PM
How many counties still have a Senior B championship.? Players need downtime in December and January

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0106/1345281-timing-is-everything-calendar-sharpens-january-focus/



"I do think some counties do have to slim down to 12-team or 16-team championships to have them run off properly in a calendar season. I can understand the reasons why some counties have a Senior B championship but clear out all that rubbish, make it Senior, Intermediate and then Junior 1, Junior 2 etc.

"I think if all counties had that it would be much easier then to schedule games to make sure that your All-Ireland club championship is going to be held on the second Sunday in December."

shark

#762
October 04, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
It's already limited to 16 teams.
Senior B is just a name. It's the second tier , whether you call it senior B or intermediate.

Eire90

#763
October 05, 2023, 02:44:59 AM
ohh is that why dublin is 16 teams a few years ago it was 32 team knockout i think with first round losers going into a consulation senior b championship

Eire90

#764
October 05, 2023, 02:46:45 AM
i think i seen tyrone might have 24 teams at one point my be wrong on that tho.
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