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GAA Discussion / Re: Underage Amalgamations
« Last post by Onthe40 on Today at 03:45:29 PM »
In Tyrone youth football in the U17, U15 & U13 age levels, there are four grades of league & championship, namely 1, 2, 3 & 4 (one being the top grade and four the lowest grade - three is nominally 13-a-side and four is 11-a-side on a reduced sized pitch for U13 & U15). This year there were three amalgamated clubs at youth level - Bodoney (Gortin & Glenelly), Naomh Brid (Brocagh & Killyman) and a combined Owen Roes & Clann na nGael team at U17 only. Naomh Brid also fielded a team in the U19 league.

It's generally accepted that without these amalgamation teams being in place then either one or both clubs in each amalgamated team would be unable to field their own team even at 11-a-side, so there's no "amalgamations of convenience" as it were where clubs combine deliberately to field a "superteam" at Grades 1 or 2.

None of these teams played at Grade 1 level this year, though Bodoney did have a Grade 1 U17 team last year. Bodoney played in Grade 2 across the board this year though they were very weak at U13 level and should have ideally fielded at Grade 3 or even 4 instead at that age group. Naomh Brid won the U13 Grade 4 league and played at Grade 4 at U17 and Grade 3 at U15 levels. Owen Roes/Clann na nGael had a combined U17 team that won the Grade 3 league & championship double.

Clann na nGael, despite being the club of former Tyrone players Brian Dooher & Stephen O'Neill, are a very small club in terms of numbers and don't field their own competitive youth teams ATM - in fact they have fielded a combined team with Craigbane in Derry this year at U13 & U15 levels this year, playing in the Derry league (I think that combined team won an U15 league title in Derry this year).

Overall, amalgamated youth football teams in Tyrone don't tend to last more than a few years for various reasons. Others in the recent past have included Gael Naomh Padraig (Augher & Clogher), Naomh Padraig (Derrytresk & Brocagh, not to be confused with the previous), Michael Cusacks (Drumquin & the now defunct Dregish) & Naomh Mhuire (Edendork & Killyman).

With much fewer competing clubs, hurling in the county hasn't any such amalgamations especially as the majority of clubs are "independent" from football would cover the catchment area of several football clubs. There are three dual football/hurling clubs in Omagh, Fintona and Cappagh/Killyclogher, the first two would definitely have some hurling players that play football with a different club, but I'm not sure with Cappagh - they might be the only one where any football players in their hurling teams also play within the club.

In girls football, there are no amalgamated youth teams - any club unable to field a team at a certain age at youth level due to lack of players can have those available players temporarily assigned to a neighbouring club for one season at that age level, up to three such players per receiving club. A little different in Camogie, as there have been at least two recent youth amalgamated teams - Naomh Padraig (Derrytresk & Brocagh) and Na Laochra (Fr. Shields Greencastle & Eire Og Carrickmore).

Edit: In terms of football grading, the Tyrone CCC (there's no youth board or Bord Na n”g as there might be in other counties) generally grade the competing clubs themselves though there is some leeway - a provisional list of gradings at U13, U15 & U17 are given to clubs prior to the start of youth competitions and clubs/teams can suggest if they've been graded too high or low. In general they try and ensure there are 10-12 teams in each grade so a little leeway can be given. Sometimes two clubs may agree to a "swap" so that they take the place of each other in a different grade. Usually the teams are split into two regional sections for the league games with the top two teams qualifying for the semi-finals, but if there's nine or less teams in a grade it's played as a single section all-county league with the top four playing in the semis. Again to be different to many other counties, the regional sections are usually referred to as "east" & "west" with the "A" section being made up of the easternmost teams in a grade and the "B" section being the westernmost teams, but there is no fixed boundary for this and for clubs straddling the vertical centre of Tyrone its possible for them to be competing in an "A" section at one age level and "B" in another in the same year, or even in the same age group if they're fielding two teams at one age level e.g. their first team might be in Grade 1A and their second team in Grade 4B. At U15 level this year they've done an experiment where all grades except Grade 3 are being played as a single section league - feedback should be interesting, it's been like this in girls football in Tyrone for quite a few years now.

N Padraig amalgamation in boys youth included killyman as well, Derrtytresk are on their own now and N Eoin was formed last year to include Killyman & Brocagh
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Last post by Tyrone Gaa on Today at 03:41:53 PM »
Derrylaughan should sue Edendork for the shape of that penalty spot  ;)

In all seriousness pitch conditions should be a consideration for championship games. Edendork constantly get games, there is a lot of positives with their grounds but missing a stand is a major downfall, a stand should be compulsory for championship games as well as an adequate playing surface.
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Last post by geezer on Today at 03:38:17 PM »
Assume Cargin/Aghagallon will both be wearing away strips for the final?
Can't imagine too many group C teams having already qualified.  Plus 3rd place means there are a good few before ireland
16 teams in A and 16 in B . 16+16 = 32
21 qualifiers. The Euros are very generous.
32-21 = 11
Even if a few qualifiers from Group C, Ireland should be fine
GAA Discussion / Re: Underage Amalgamations
« Last post by Armagh18 on Today at 03:20:21 PM »
Mayo is littered with underage amalgamations for as long as I can remember. Some for a year if one club can't go it alone with regards to numbers.

I'm not sure how they are graded to be honest, but they haven't been cleaning up county A titles.

Thats the issue I have as where I live the amalgamations are starting to win B titles, not A where I think they should be.
Donít think itís fair to say all amalgamations should be in the highest division. I know some amalgamations in Armagh still struggle to even field a team unfortunately and tend to be on the lower end of division 3 so putting them up to the top grade is doing no one any favours.
The Plantation has always been a problem. Now is no different
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Last post by country bumpkin on Today at 03:12:58 PM »
If we could just have clarification as to whether such a ban is in place??

No such notice from county received........
Thanks for your kind concern......but when did you get that transfer.....?
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Last post by country bumpkin on Today at 03:06:02 PM »
Surprise developments every day......but a Creggan player seeking a transfer to Erin's Own is a rare occurrence......
GAA Discussion / Re: Minor, U17 or U18.. Croke Parks take on it....
« Last post by Armagh18 on Today at 03:05:28 PM »
The change to U17 and U19 isn't working, at least in Armagh in my opinion, anyway.

The U19 competition is almost non-existent (maybe a few games per year) with the result that a 17 year old lad (unless he is a genuine star) won't get much club  football as they won't be fit for senior.
Like U19s, the reserve football only provides a few games per year.

Changing back to U18 would give that 17 year old lad another full year of competitive football where he will be matched better physically.
Play under 19ís and under 17ís. Let the stronger lads at u19 play u19 and senior. Gives a chance to lads coming from u17ís who arenít ready for senior football another couple of years playing at their own level to develop physically for senior football.
Most lads I know would have played minor and senior games in a week not a bother to them.

That would be fine if the U19s was a proper competition like U17 is.
There was a huge difference in the amount of U19 games played compared to U17s.  The 19s was an afterthought and lots of games not fielded or conceded.
Yeah I agree, u19ís in Armagh was treated like the old u21 competition (maybe not just as bad) As far as I know currently u17 games are played on Monday nights so maybe run the under 19s on a wednesday, gives lads u17ís who are playing both a chance to recover and also gives u19ís a chance to recover before senior games at the weekend. Although thatíll cause issues with reserve games then as Iím sure a lot of under 19s play reserves if their club has a team. 
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Last post by Would ye whist on Today at 03:05:28 PM »
If we could just have clarification as to whether such a ban is in place??
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