I can't afford anything any more and have started growing my own stuff, strawberries, cabbages, milk, carrots, parsley and tomatoes. Is anyone else finding it tough?
Quote from: Olly on July 03, 2022, 05:55:36 AM
I can't afford anything any more and have started growing my own stuff, strawberries, cabbages, milk, carrots, parsley and tomatoes. Is anyone else finding it tough?
How's the growing Milk coming along?
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 11:01:16 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.
How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?
But why is the cost of diesel still increasing, dollar against the pound? War in Ukraine on going but u think cost stabilise as its on for the long term. Saudi, UAE making a killing here along with the govt with massive tax duty on diesel.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 03, 2022, 12:33:58 PM
But why is the cost of diesel still increasing, dollar against the pound?
Inflationary circle. Oil jumps because of a supply issue. Because oil is the foundation of our economy the whole economy starts inflating. Oil continues to inflate because other costs are increasing (wages, equipment, travel, rents, interest on borrowing). It continues until the crash.
Supply and demand are evenly balanced. Take outvRussian oil and market is trína chéile
Inflation is worse in the UK including the occupied territories.
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 11:01:16 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.
How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?
Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 11:01:16 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.
How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?
Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.
That's fierce Redhand88.
Some cost in that, never mind tipping about for yourself.
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 11:01:16 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.
How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?
Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.
That's fierce Redhand88.
Some cost in that, never mind tipping about for yourself.
I can get 60mpg in the car which helps a bit, but it's still costing £300 a month to keep on the road.
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 03, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down
Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 03, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down
Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.
France has traditionally been big on national protests
In the uk the right to protest is being taken away. It's one of, and there are a few, the more sinister things the government is up to.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2022, 04:32:33 PM
In the uk the right to protest is being taken away. It's one of, and there are a few, the more sinister things the government is up to.
I keep hearing this will happen but it hasn't happened yet.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 03, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down
Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.
I've said this before but people need to protest now because if they don't it will be £2.50 a litre
Quote from: clarshack on July 03, 2022, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2022, 04:32:33 PM
In the uk the right to protest is being taken away. It's one of, and there are a few, the more sinister things the government is up to.
I keep hearing this will happen but it hasn't happened yet.
Not sure but did something pass parliament last week, see the lunatic that stands outside it with all the EU flags and loud speaker being confronted by a load of cops due to the new law.
Quote from: pbat on July 03, 2022, 04:59:45 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 03, 2022, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2022, 04:32:33 PM
In the uk the right to protest is being taken away. It's one of, and there are a few, the more sinister things the government is up to.
I keep hearing this will happen but it hasn't happened yet.
Not sure but did something pass parliament last week, see the lunatic that stands outside it with all the EU flags and loud speaker being confronted by a load of cops due to the new law.
A new law was passed in April to curb the level of noise at a protest !
What about leasing an electric car is that a way to curb cost of motoring???
The government have been against fatties like me for years anyway. First it was the sugar tax on soft drinks, it is £1.77 for 1.5 litres of coke however the supermarkets often put Fanta on club card price. They even ruined Lucozade by changing their recipe to a lower sugar one, I tried putting sugar in Lucozade by spoon but it still didn't taste the same.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 11:01:16 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.
How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?
Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.
I feel your pain RH88. Currently doing about 450miles a week for work, then add in the extra miles in the evening & weekends. It's costing a fortune.
Quote from: clarshack on July 03, 2022, 04:53:26 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 03, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down
Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.
I've said this before but people need to protest now because if they don't it will be £2.50 a litre
Should have been protests when it hit £1. You're right it'll be £2.50 before we know it. Time to invest in an electric car it looks like
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 04, 2022, 08:36:44 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 03, 2022, 04:53:26 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 03, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down
Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.
I've said this before but people need to protest now because if they don't it will be £2.50 a litre
Should have been protests when it hit £1. You're right it'll be £2.50 before we know it. Time to invest in an electric car it looks like
It's not easy to find a new electric car. Inflation and the supply chain difficulties mean that production for this year is limited. If you do find one the savings on petrol/diesel are fantastic.
Quote from: toby47 on July 04, 2022, 08:32:51 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 11:01:16 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.
How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?
Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.
I feel your pain RH88. Currently doing about 450miles a week for work, then add in the extra miles in the evening & weekends. It's costing a fortune.
Those are serious commutes lads. I feel for you. The one good thing about lockdown was that my place got established into Work from Home and I am now 2 day a week maximum in the office. The extra time I have in the evenings, never mind the cost of the travel means I would seriously consider my options if I had to go back to 5 days a week on site. My diesel bill would be about £500 a month. If you gross it up and take into account wear and tear on the car its probably the equivalent of £10-12k on a salary.
Quote from: toby47 on July 04, 2022, 08:32:51 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 11:01:16 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.
How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?
Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.
I feel your pain RH88. Currently doing about 450miles a week for work, then add in the extra miles in the evening & weekends. It's costing a fortune.
Big time. I'm a bit behind you boys depending on my schedule. I'm in the next 6 days in a row. 70 mile round trip. That's before any of the other driving that needs doing. My diesel bill has sky rocketed
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 04, 2022, 01:00:44 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?
I know. It's like 2 extremes.
One of money is no object with big houses and jeeps with personalised number plates while the other side is people thinking of how hard it'll be to pay heating bills and school uniforms etc.
There doesn't seem to be any middle ground!
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 04, 2022, 01:00:44 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?
A good bottle of Gin costs £25 and 500ml of Fever tree tonic costs £2 in Tesco, these bars are buying it in for far cheaper than that again. Bars are completely ripping us off at this stage & tbh there are more expensive spots in Belfast at the minute too. In the past few weeks i've been in 3-4 differnt bars in Belfast and paid different prices between £5.50-£6.50 for a pint which is insane for a city like Belfast.
I met a friend a few weeks back, we only had about an hour so met him in the Errigal on Ormeau road for a quick bite & a pint. Lasagne and a pint came to £21.25, couldn't believe it. I'm far from miserable & eat out in restaurants every couple of weeks but £15 for a slice of lasagne and a few chips is madness, then £6.25 for the pint.
New spuds were £1 last year, now up to £1.50.
The price of fertiliser and diesel has a lot to answer for.
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.
Quote from: marty34 on July 04, 2022, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 04, 2022, 01:00:44 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?
I know. It's like 2 extremes.
One of money is no object with big houses and jeeps with personalised number plates while the other side is people thinking of how hard it'll be to pay heating bills and school uniforms etc.
There doesn't seem to be any middle ground!
i would say a lot of this 'money no object' is debt
Quote from: sensethetone on July 04, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.
I think you can look at it in a few ways, certainly the cost of things are well over priced, and some items are essential. but you'll be doing yourself a favour in the long run by staying away from the mint Aero cake, same for the other things we bought when we could actually not bother with..
5 Filltes £6 in places.. there's at least 2 meals in that, a curry or stir fry
500 mince beef £5 quid in places.. pasta or burgers couple of meals
Spud, rice and veg, with your own curry powder/passata/stir in sauces
If you really looked at what you cook and what you end up throwing out its criminal... Kids are the worst for it, especially when the refuse to eat the same thing you have made!
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on July 04, 2022, 02:56:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 04, 2022, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 04, 2022, 01:00:44 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?
I know. It's like 2 extremes.
One of money is no object with big houses and jeeps with personalised number plates while the other side is people thinking of how hard it'll be to pay heating bills and school uniforms etc.
There doesn't seem to be any middle ground!
i would say a lot of this 'money no object' is debt
If you have no mortgage, no car payments, or standard loans then you've no debt, other than that everyone has something they are paying off till you get to certain age.. Debt to me is your outgoings are more than your incomings
The price of alcohol is atrocious but there's an easy way around it. Instead of going out and paying £20 for 2 gins, buy a bottle of gin a day and drink it at home. You might wake up with an unbelievable headache and other long term conditions but you'll be grinning from ear to ear at how much you saved compared to your loser neighbours and friends.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 04, 2022, 02:59:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 04, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.
I think you can look at it in a few ways, certainly the cost of things are well over priced, and some items are essential. but you'll be doing yourself a favour in the long run by staying away from the mint Aero cake, same for the other things we bought when we could actually not bother with..
5 Filltes £6 in places.. there's at least 2 meals in that, a curry or stir fry
500 mince beef £5 quid in places.. pasta or burgers couple of meals
Spud, rice and veg, with your own curry powder/passata/stir in sauces
If you really looked at what you cook and what you end up throwing out its criminal... Kids are the worst for it, especially when the refuse to eat the same thing you have made!
Learning to cook is where its at, not only in terms of cost but also knowing what goes in, plus the satisfaction and taste of something homemade
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 04, 2022, 02:59:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 04, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.
I think you can look at it in a few ways, certainly the cost of things are well over priced, and some items are essential. but you'll be doing yourself a favour in the long run by staying away from the mint Aero cake, same for the other things we bought when we could actually not bother with..
5 Filltes £6 in places.. there's at least 2 meals in that, a curry or stir fry
500 mince beef £5 quid in places.. pasta or burgers couple of meals
Spud, rice and veg, with your own curry powder/passata/stir in sauces
If you really looked at what you cook and what you end up throwing out its criminal... Kids are the worst for it, especially when the refuse to eat the same thing you have made!
My mother would do some baking, she'd tell you it wouldn't pay but for the satisfaction of doing it.
Household budgets will get reviewed even more coming into the winter, might have to buy that £9 cheesecake for the freezer.
Work solely in the south nowadays and usually would work two weeks straight doing about 1000 mile or more a week as a Locum round different spots. Fuel bill has doubled to the point where I converted an old van to sleep in some nights if im in a similar part of the world the next day. This combined with revenue not allowing any food or fuel expenses for independent contractors any more has made the fuel squeeze even worse. Its doable at the minute as the wages are good but this is usually a cyclical thing and come the winter less people will be off and sleeping in a camper van will not be as appealing.
Quote from: sensethetone on July 04, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.
Quite mad, if you get a cheesecake at that price it should be made with After Eights and not fecking Mint Aero.
Not enough ppl to pick fresh food from the fields and it's going to rot added to the farmers expecting this and planting less veg etc.
farmers are buying foreign produce to fulfil contracts. Food hasn't gotten to it's price peak yet.
I see diesel has come down by a few pence per litre
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
Quote from: Itchy on July 13, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
There's a temporary govt rebate scheme of 20c per litre in place on fuel prices in Spain. The seller gets it directly, it runs from April to September.
Quote from: onefineday on July 13, 2022, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 13, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
There's a temporary govt rebate scheme of 20c per litre in place on fuel prices in Spain. The seller gets it directly, it runs from April to September.
Where in Spain? Been paying between 2,06 and 2,14 for last month for diesel. Not seen below i'd say 1,85 in about three months or so. All these numbers before the 20cent rebate
I was in Spain near salou in June and fuel was around the 2.10 2.15 Mark
Quote from: Itchy on July 13, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
That seems cheap. Are you driving on the red as usual?
Yeah, would absolute love to know who's doing it for 1.54
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 11:15:35 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 13, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
That seems cheap. Are you driving on the red as usual?
Gasoline Roja!
Quote from: CiKe on July 13, 2022, 09:45:01 AM
Quote from: onefineday on July 13, 2022, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 13, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
There's a temporary govt rebate scheme of 20c per litre in place on fuel prices in Spain. The seller gets it directly, it runs from April to September.
Where in Spain? Been paying between 2,06 and 2,14 for last month for diesel. Not seen below i'd say 1,85 in about three months or so. All these numbers before the 20cent rebate
The subsidy is before you see the price afaik, so add 20c to get the actual price.
They've usually been higher priced than Ireland so was a bit surprised by that price. Rioja it is!
Didn't they do away with being able to buy red diesel there a few months ago?
Anyone still able to source some, what price is it at the minute?
Quote from: toby47 on July 13, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Didn't they do away with being able to buy red diesel there a few months ago?
Anyone still able to source some, what price is it at the minute?
Asking for a friend? who is a farmer?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2022, 02:28:56 PM
Quote from: toby47 on July 13, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Didn't they do away with being able to buy red diesel there a few months ago?
Anyone still able to source some, what price is it at the minute?
Asking for a friend? who is a farmer?
Lol.
Nah just wondering what the price is now that diesel is near £2 a litre.
Quote from: toby47 on July 13, 2022, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2022, 02:28:56 PM
Quote from: toby47 on July 13, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Didn't they do away with being able to buy red diesel there a few months ago?
Anyone still able to source some, what price is it at the minute?
Asking for a friend? who is a farmer?
Lol.
Nah just wondering what the price is now that diesel is near £2 a litre.
Its around £1
Saw a fella in a Passat parked tight against the red pump at the local shop the other day. There seemed to be plenty of space to park elsewhere if just calling in for the paper ;)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
Saw a fella in a Passat parked tight against the red pump at the local shop the other day. There seemed to be plenty of space to park elsewhere if just calling in for the paper ;)
He just wanted to ensure that others wouldn't be tempted to use that pump.
Quote from: onefineday on July 13, 2022, 12:49:08 PM
Quote from: CiKe on July 13, 2022, 09:45:01 AM
Quote from: onefineday on July 13, 2022, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 13, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
There's a temporary govt rebate scheme of 20c per litre in place on fuel prices in Spain. The seller gets it directly, it runs from April to September.
Where in Spain? Been paying between 2,06 and 2,14 for last month for diesel. Not seen below i'd say 1,85 in about three months or so. All these numbers before the 20cent rebate
The subsidy is before you see the price afaik, so add 20c to get the actual price.
They've usually been higher priced than Ireland so was a bit surprised by that price. Rioja it is!
No, if price displayed is €2.10 you end up paying €1.90 after benefitting from the subsidy. Receipt will say X litres @ 2.10 and then have subsidy line which is discounted.
In any case, despite their protestations I'm pretty sure the majority of the subsidy is just going into the petrol station operator's pockets. I'd say they will have a very good year....although I think initially at least they were basically being asked to give the subsidy at point-of-sale and then reclaim (which is one of the reasons I think most of it is going to them anyway because if they were to finance €0.2 a litre for real, I'd imagine they'd have some serious cash flow issues, so instead they just jack up the price)
Quote from: gallsman on July 13, 2022, 11:41:43 AM
Yeah, would absolute love to know who's doing it for 1.54
Canary Islands.
Might be a mixture of price increase plus the summer holidays with the kids off but the electric has jumped up approx 40% per week!
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds
*with drinks £955 😉😃
Quote from: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds
Was it a fancy sppt?
You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?
That's £220.
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds
Was it a fancy sppt?
You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?
That's £220.
Never getting an Adult 3-course meal for £20?
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds
Was it a fancy sppt?
You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?
That's £220.
not fancy at all an older hotel but only place that could take 14 the most expensive thing on menu was 26 pounds for a fillet steak
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on July 13, 2022, 08:38:19 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds
Was it a fancy sppt?
You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?
That's £220.
Never getting an Adult 3-course meal for £20?
There's place that do 3 courses for £20 - starter, main course and dessert.
Quote from: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds
Was it a fancy sppt?
You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?
That's £220.
not fancy at all an older hotel but only place that could take 14 the most expensive thing on menu was 26 pounds for a fillet steak
McMahons?
14 people spending under 20 quid for three courses is grand...
In fairness one course is plenty, greedy shits
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 13, 2022, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds
Was it a fancy sppt?
You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?
That's £220.
not fancy at all an older hotel but only place that could take 14 the most expensive thing on menu was 26 pounds for a fillet steak
McMahons?
mahons
Local place here doing diesel for 1.88
That's OK isn't it ?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 14, 2022, 09:43:37 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 14, 2022, 09:40:31 PM
Local place here doing diesel for 1.88
That's OK isn't it ?
Is it OK?
No, it's fcukin extortionate but it is cheaper than most other places.
That's what I meant, relatively speaking is it OK
I know its extortionate
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.
Quote from: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:07:52 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.
Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level won't be getting it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2022, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:07:52 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.
Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level won't be getting it?
Near sure I read that all households connected to the grid will be getting £400, mind you I would be surprised that we won't get it because we don't have a government
Annagher in Coalisland been £1.79 for petrol this last week.
Quote from: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2022, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:07:52 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.
Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level won't be getting it?
Near sure I read that all households connected to the grid will be getting £400, mind you I would be surprised that we won't get it because we don't have a government
Every household gets it but yes you are right, it's not coming initially due to no government. They are trying to figure out how to dish it out without Stormont.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2022, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:07:52 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.
Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level won't be getting it?
Not means assessed I don't think.
Quote from: clarshack on July 14, 2022, 10:40:10 PM
Annagher in Coalisland been £1.79 for petrol this last week.
£1.88 for diesel is the cheapest i've seen this week. Still seeing some places £1.99
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 07:54:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2022, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:07:52 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.
Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level won't be getting it?
Not means assessed I don't think.
Do you need it? That's the question
Is it not meant to be a loan?
It should only be given to people who need it but I suspect it's too much effort to work that out.
I don't think it's a loan. One of payment to everyone with an additional 600 potentially means tested. Or at least that was my understanding of it at the time.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 07:54:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2022, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:07:52 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.
Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level won't be getting it?
Not means assessed I don't think.
Do you need it? That's the question
If my bills are increasing the way they have been and are expected to, yes as that will be 2 months electric and gas paid for. I doubt if many will return it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62155378.amp
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 08:59:52 AM
Is it not meant to be a loan?
It should only be given to people who need it but I suspect it's too much effort to work that out.
It's not a loan and it will be off your electric bill
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 08:59:52 AM
Is it not meant to be a loan?
It should only be given to people who need it but I suspect it's too much effort to work that out.
It's not a loan and it will be off your electric bill
So the money will be directly sent to your electrical providing company?
I thought I had read that every household would be getting the £400 in the autumn, but I was talking to someone from Power NI and they said that not everybody will be getting it. If true, those creaming the benefits system really are on the pigs back.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61592496 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61592496)
That I think covers it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 11:56:37 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61592496 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61592496)
That I think covers it.
Students not on that list?
Wages will go up. Get into your employer and ask for more money. If they refuse go out and get a new job. That is the only way to beat the cost of living crisis.
If you c an, fill up the oil before the payment of £400 comes in.. Scummy bastards will increase prices as soon as the first penny hits someone's account
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 15, 2022, 01:41:24 PM
If you c an, fill up the oil before the payment of £400 comes in.. Scummy bastards will increase prices as soon as the first penny hits someone's account
It's specifically for electricity I think
£1.71 diesel. Derry/Donegal border
Any particular reason for the diesel coming down now and can we expect it to go up again anytime soon?
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Oil and gas companies announcing vast profits in 2nd quarter, Apr-Jun:
Shell: £9.5bn
TotalEnergies: £4.5bn
Equinor: £14.5bn
This is one quarter Jesus Christ!!!
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Oil and gas companies announcing vast profits in 2nd quarter, Apr-Jun:
Shell: £9.5bn
TotalEnergies: £4.5bn
Equinor: £14.5bn
This is one quarter Jesus Christ!!!
And they want us to pay nearly £500 of energy bills in Jan? They aint even embarrassed about it
And you can be certain that those figures are the absolute minimum they can get away with declaring
But somehow a windfall tax on this is unworkable as it would discourage businesses from investing
Belongs in the WTF thread to be honest
Supermac's boss Pat McDonagh 'concerned' about potential food shortages and urges people to buy 'long-life food'
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 28, 2022, 09:03:56 AM
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Oil and gas companies announcing vast profits in 2nd quarter, Apr-Jun:
Shell: £9.5bn
TotalEnergies: £4.5bn
Equinor: £14.5bn
This is one quarter Jesus Christ!!!
And they want us to pay nearly £500 of energy bills in Jan? They aint even embarrassed about it
These oil companies are riding the hole of us all. They expect us to believe their margins are being squeezed but yet here they are recording record profits at a time when many people are struggling.
So energy prices in the uk are to go up 77% in October and more in January. That's not going to go down well (this is uk)
https://monthlyreview.org/2011/03/01/structural-crisis-in-the-world-system/
The primary characteristic of a structural crisis is chaos.
A secondary characteristic is the 6 in a row
Honestly last time I mind money talked about in such a way in relation to normal day to day commodities was the early 80s. People starting to feel the pinch, a winter of discontent beckons. My advice get a job change now if you can that will bump you up for a buffer-easier said than done
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 28, 2022, 09:03:56 AM
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Oil and gas companies announcing vast profits in 2nd quarter, Apr-Jun:
Shell: £9.5bn
TotalEnergies: £4.5bn
Equinor: £14.5bn
This is one quarter Jesus Christ!!!
And they want us to pay nearly £500 of energy bills in Jan? They aint even embarrassed about it
These oil companies are riding the hole of us all. They expect us to believe their margins are being squeezed but yet here they are recording record profits at a time when many people are struggling.
the tech companies cleaned up in 20/21 so did Amazon and the pharmaceutical companies now it's oil companies turn , crisis after crisis all man made all easily avoidable and the suckers keep paying the price .
Bord Gais...who have raised prices twice this year...
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2022/07/28/operating-profits-at-bord-gais-climb-74-in-first-half-of-2022/
Profits basically up ~400% in 6 months. Jesus H Christ.
I don't understand why that has happened so dramatically this year and hasn't been a steady climb over years. Like why the big bang? Is it because they are using the war in ukraine as a smoke screen to up prices?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2022, 09:21:21 AM
Profits basically up ~400% in 6 months. Jesus H Christ.
I don't understand why that has happened so dramatically this year and hasn't been a steady climb over years. Like why the big bang? Is it because they are using the war in ukraine as a smoke screen to up prices?
So when the war is over, what will they use then? The Pandemic, or Brexit or climate change? These
prices profits will only keep going, its like they are getting ready for when this type of fuel will be less used and they are raking it in while they can
There will be a trade off point because it could reach a point that so few will be able to afford they can't get their profits. Note in that article about the number of customers yet to pay.
I still believe there is going to be significant unrest coming over this winter. A lot of people can't afford to live if they have to heat the house. What if we get a harsh winter?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
There will be a trade off point because it could reach a point that so few will be able to afford they can't get their profits. Note in that article about the number of customers yet to pay.
I still believe there is going to be significant unrest coming over this winter. A lot of people can't afford to live if they have to heat the house. What if we get a harsh winter?
Yeah, its not looking great, up to this point Ive never really worried about heating the house of upping the thermostat if required...
Now I'm looking at fixing some of the double glazing windows which are not closing properly, getting the boiler changed, turning the thermostat down, getting thicker quilts and using the fire more often
Have been looking at my shopping bills and trying to reduce them, and will sit down and look at my payments going out for certain things... Netflix and those things...
We are pretty lucky with decent jobs so I can't think what its like with someone on minimum wage
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 09:41:13 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
There will be a trade off point because it could reach a point that so few will be able to afford they can't get their profits. Note in that article about the number of customers yet to pay.
I still believe there is going to be significant unrest coming over this winter. A lot of people can't afford to live if they have to heat the house. What if we get a harsh winter?
Yeah, its not looking great, up to this point Ive never really worried about heating the house of upping the thermostat if required...
Now I'm looking at fixing some of the double glazing windows which are not closing properly, getting the boiler changed, turning the thermostat down, getting thicker quilts and using the fire more often
Have been looking at my shopping bills and trying to reduce them, and will sit down and look at my payments going out for certain things... Netflix and those things...
We are pretty lucky with decent jobs so I can't think what its like with someone on minimum wage
Its pretty grim id say
Yeah I really feel for some people and tbh have definitely upped giving to food banks etc. To think that people are in jobs and have to go to food banks is ludicrous.
In relation to talk of heating crises in winter, are we going over the top? Be rare enough in Ireland to go much below 0º.
Now I am not trying to downplay things, it sure as hell aint ideal and won't be comfortable and might be downright uncomfortable for some, particularly OAPs. But I'd say 99% of homes were colder when we were kids and you'd have thrown on thick blankets or another jumper etc to stay warm and you' be more or less grand. What we have come through the last few years, in some ways I'd be a bit surprised if the majority weren't sort of able to take it reasonably in our stride.
Wouldn't want to walk a mile in the shoes of a person or family that couldn't afford to put the heating on in the middle of winter, we've adapted to some serious home comforts, the psychological impact of poverty must be so damaging, these macro-economic decisions are taken for a reason, models for optimised profiteering have been devised and are in play at all times
Quote from: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 10:08:09 AM
In relation to talk of heating crises in winter, are we going over the top? Be rare enough in Ireland to go much below 0º.
Now I am not trying to downplay things, it sure as hell aint ideal and won't be comfortable and might be downright uncomfortable for some, particularly OAPs. But I'd say 99% of homes were colder when we were kids and you'd have thrown on thick blankets or another jumper etc to stay warm and you' be more or less grand. What we have come through the last few years, in some ways I'd be a bit surprised if the majority weren't sort of able to take it reasonably in our stride.
I'd say that is true, I grew up in a house that didnt have central heating and when we did get it my mum and dad had more kids so we were put up into a converted attic, now when I say converted I just mean the sides closed off lino put down papered and three beds shoved into whatever space was left, no quilts in those days just your American native bed blankets, winter was freezing so sleeping undercovers was essential or wearing a hat lol!!
Ah the craic was mighty lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 10:08:09 AM
In relation to talk of heating crises in winter, are we going over the top? Be rare enough in Ireland to go much below 0º.
Now I am not trying to downplay things, it sure as hell aint ideal and won't be comfortable and might be downright uncomfortable for some, particularly OAPs. But I'd say 99% of homes were colder when we were kids and you'd have thrown on thick blankets or another jumper etc to stay warm and you' be more or less grand. What we have come through the last few years, in some ways I'd be a bit surprised if the majority weren't sort of able to take it reasonably in our stride.
I'd say that is true, I grew up in a house that didnt have central heating and when we did get it my mum and dad had more kids so we were put up into a converted attic, now when I say converted I just mean the sides closed off lino put down papered and three beds shoved into whatever space was left, no quilts in those days just your American native bed blankets, winter was freezing so sleeping undercovers was essential or wearing a hat lol!!
Ah the craic was mighty lol
I still remember the itchy bloody blankets from the grandparents place where we were three to a bed. Don't see them much anymore, kept you warm though. Hot water bottles also par for the course.
Maybe people not as hardy these days.
Long ago, you saw the houses your grandparents lived in and nowhere near the same heating systems or luxuries etc. but they just got on with it. I suppose they knew no better. Hardy lads and lassies.
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 11:19:21 AM
Maybe people not as hardy these days.
Long ago, you saw the houses your grandparents lived in and nowhere near the same heating systems or luxuries etc. but they just got on with it. I suppose they knew no better. Hardy lads and lassies.
And then take a jaunt back to their forefathers and so on, doesn't bare thinking about.
In a historical context anyone living within reasonable means by todays standards is in the top 0.0000000000001% (and then some) to have ever lived, one to bear in mind the odd time
Any sort of dystopian unravelling and 99% of us wouldn't last the week, and I include put myself at the front of that queue
Quote from: tiempo on July 29, 2022, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 11:19:21 AM
Maybe people not as hardy these days.
Long ago, you saw the houses your grandparents lived in and nowhere near the same heating systems or luxuries etc. but they just got on with it. I suppose they knew no better. Hardy lads and lassies.
And then take a jaunt back to their forefathers and so on, doesn't bare thinking about.
In a historical context anyone living within reasonable means by todays standards is in the top 0.0000000000001% (and then some) to have ever lived, one to bear in mind the odd time
Any sort of dystopian unravelling and 99% of us wouldn't last the week, and I include put myself at the front of that queue
Agree with these observations... but the logical conclusion of this sort of argument is that unless we are living in caves and shooting wild animals with bows and arrows, we shouldn't complain...
Our ancestors were fit to do it, so why can't we just get on with it?
In my father's time in the Bogside it was everyone in the same bed with coats thrown on top of blankets . Ice on inside of windows, 2-3 families in some houses. But I'm pretty sure was like this in loads of places .
Now it's our own ripping off the young ones in Belfast around holylands etc. Crooked landlords
Lads, it's all about me these days.
The big jeeps with the personalised plates and the big gated houses in the country!
Two or three holidays a year etc.
How times have changed. Have people changed?
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 12:59:01 PM
Lads, it's all about me these days.
The big jeeps with the personalised plates and the big gated houses in the country!
Two or three holidays a year etc.
How times have changed. Have people changed?
Unfortunately I am not part of that crew however what is wrong with it?
If people have made good for themselves and are able to afford all of the above then I dont see the issue.
Is it typical Irish begrudgery
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 09:45:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 09:41:13 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
There will be a trade off point because it could reach a point that so few will be able to afford they can't get their profits. Note in that article about the number of customers yet to pay.
I still believe there is going to be significant unrest coming over this winter. A lot of people can't afford to live if they have to heat the house. What if we get a harsh winter?
Yeah, its not looking great, up to this point Ive never really worried about heating the house of upping the thermostat if required...
Now I'm looking at fixing some of the double glazing windows which are not closing properly, getting the boiler changed, turning the thermostat down, getting thicker quilts and using the fire more often
Have been looking at my shopping bills and trying to reduce them, and will sit down and look at my payments going out for certain things... Netflix and those things...
We are pretty lucky with decent jobs so I can't think what its like with someone on minimum wage
Its pretty grim id say
18% of people in the North are at that level.
Some people don't want to go without though, they want the nights out, clothes, boozes etc. hard choices for all families now but unfortunately some people see energy costs down the priority list and want it all handed to them
Quote from: Taylor on July 29, 2022, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 12:59:01 PM
Lads, it's all about me these days.
The big jeeps with the personalised plates and the big gated houses in the country!
Two or three holidays a year etc.
How times have changed. Have people changed?
Unfortunately I am not part of that crew however what is wrong with it?
If people have made good for themselves and are able to afford all of the above then I dont see the issue.
Is it typical Irish begrudgery
Not really.
Just my opinion that there's less sense of community these days - mostly about me.
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 29, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Some people don't want to go without though, they want the nights out, clothes, boozes etc. hard choices for all families now but unfortunately some people see energy costs down the priority list and want it all handed to them
This is the attitude my younger self would have taken.
But here's where I've got to. I don't want to part of a society in which those who take on vocational careers like police, firefighters, teaches, carers, and medical professionals, cannot make ends meet.
That's the world now. It's a shitshow.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2022, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 29, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Some people don't want to go without though, they want the nights out, clothes, boozes etc. hard choices for all families now but unfortunately some people see energy costs down the priority list and want it all handed to them
This is the attitude my younger self would have taken.
But here's where I've got to. I don't want to part of a society in which those who take on vocational careers like police, firefighters, teaches, carers, and medical professionals, cannot make ends meet.
That's the world now. It's a shitshow.
The point remains valid - people give themselves a better chance of making ends meet if they adjust their lifestyle accordingly. Also, apart from carers all of those occupations have a wide range of salaries. My sympathy lies with a carer over a doctor.
i doubt it think we live in era where politicians and energy barons laugh in peoples faces and then say what you going to about it
i agree holiday culture is a a problem people going on holidays just for social media clout
Quote from: Eire90 on July 29, 2022, 05:56:52 PM
i agree holiday culture is a a problem people going on holidays just for social media clout
Who goes on holidays for social media clout, ffs.
There has always and will always be people with funds to go off on more than one holiday, drive a nice car and so on. The problem now is that many people who would have what is considered a decent job are living month to month.
There is going to be an awful shitshow in Dublin in 20 years when those who could not get a mortgage retire and can't pay the mad rents. But, it's what we signed up for by voting in FF and FG all those years.
There are 300 or so apartments beside me that were build to rent and are 2100 for a one-bed. And so, when other apartments come up now, the small time landlords look at those prices and ramp it all up.
The REITs, the energy companies and so on need to be hit with a windfall tax.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:35:23 PM
There has always and will always be people with funds to go off on more than one holiday, drive a nice car and so on. The problem now is that many people who would have what is considered a decent job are living month to month.
There is going to be an awful shitshow in Dublin in 20 years when those who could not get a mortgage retire and can't pay the mad rents. But, it's what we signed up for by voting in FF and FG all those years.
There are 300 or so apartments beside me that were build to rent and are 2100 for a one-bed. And so, when other apartments come up now, the small time landlords look at those prices and ramp it all up.
The REITs, the energy companies and so on need to be hit with a windfall tax.
The economic system will probably have changed in 20 years. Houses will be affordable.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:35:23 PM
There has always and will always be people with funds to go off on more than one holiday, drive a nice car and so on. The problem now is that many people who would have what is considered a decent job are living month to month.
There is going to be an awful shitshow in Dublin in 20 years when those who could not get a mortgage retire and can't pay the mad rents. But, it's what we signed up for by voting in FF and FG all those years.
There are 300 or so apartments beside me that were build to rent and are 2100 for a one-bed. And so, when other apartments come up now, the small time landlords look at those prices and ramp it all up.
The REITs, the energy companies and so on need to be hit with a windfall tax.
You do realise it's the exact same up North. Dup/SF shitshow
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
What will make people angry enough to force change ? The system doesn't work for the vast majority of people now.
For me a great example is the Irish Independent. The company is loyal to the system that destroyed it. Google and FB run the ads now.
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 05:35:38 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 29, 2022, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 12:59:01 PM
Lads, it's all about me these days.
The big jeeps with the personalised plates and the big gated houses in the country!
Two or three holidays a year etc.
How times have changed. Have people changed?
Unfortunately I am not part of that crew however what is wrong with it?
If people have made good for themselves and are able to afford all of the above then I dont see the issue.
Is it typical Irish begrudgery
Not really.
Just my opinion that there's less sense of community these days - mostly about me.
Who else should it be about? We all want to do as well as we can for ourselves/family - if not for 'me', who you meant to do it for?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 08:31:29 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 29, 2022, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2022, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 29, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Some people don't want to go without though, they want the nights out, clothes, boozes etc. hard choices for all families now but unfortunately some people see energy costs down the priority list and want it all handed to them
This is the attitude my younger self would have taken.
But here's where I've got to. I don't want to part of a society in which those who take on vocational careers like police, firefighters, teaches, carers, and medical professionals, cannot make ends meet.
That's the world now. It's a shitshow.
The point remains valid - people give themselves a better chance of making ends meet if they adjust their lifestyle accordingly. Also, apart from carers all of those occupations have a wide range of salaries. My sympathy lies with a carer over a doctor.
I would disagree.
It's only natural that when a generation sees something as a luxury, the next generation will see it as a treat and the next generation see it as normal. That's capitalism in action.
In 2022 Ireland/UK, when you've got 2 x breadwinners in a household, contributing their bit to society, behaving as the "middle class" should, it is both trite and condescending to suggest they should be lucky to have a roof over their head. This isn't the 1920s. Out forefathers didn't work hard, evolve, adapt and continually force us all through education so we could gather around a stove and eat potato soup.
Luxuries aren't a birth right. But if working hard doesn't allow some freedom, then why bother?
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The single biggest problem with the western world isnt the energy crisis that will be solved eventually. It's that shelter is seen as a commodity, and not a human need.
I have long said there's an easy fix to this. 100% capital gains tax on second (and beyond) properties, after allowing for inflation. You want to make a truckload of money? Go out and earn it. Just don't do it in such a way that it fucks everyone else up.
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Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
More fool paying it.. my daughter is in Belfast £240 a month... Wesley Avenue.. Holylands should be at the very most £150
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Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
There's no parent in their right mind would pay £700 a month for a room in the Holylands. A quick search on Property Pal, there is not one room for rent near £700 a month. BS
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
There's no parent in their right mind would pay £700 a month for a room in the Holylands. A quick search on Property Pal, there is not one room for rent near £700 a month. BS
Ah now, Fear wouldn't be prone to waffling a bit. 8)
What price are all the big new student blocks beside the UU in the city centre in Belfast?
Seems to be a concerted move to get students away from the Holylands.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
There's no parent in their right mind would pay £700 a month for a room in the Holylands. A quick search on Property Pal, there is not one room for rent near £700 a month. BS
Sorry my bad, absolutely correct its for 3 bed house. I have never paid a penny , my wains always stood on their own feet.
The houses are a disgrace , away away above what you'd pay for a good mortgage . It's a trap that the young ones can't get out of as they can't set aside enough to get deposit for mortgage.
But the houses are not up to standard at all and holylands and further afield is awash with crooks and in some cases bully boy landlords
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Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
More fool paying it.. my daughter is in Belfast £240 a month... Wesley Avenue.. Holylands should be at the very most £150
Get her back to your gaff and tell her to set that aside for the future
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
There's no parent in their right mind would pay £700 a month for a room in the Holylands. A quick search on Property Pal, there is not one room for rent near £700 a month. BS
Ah now, Fear wouldn't be prone to waffling a bit. 8)
What price are all the big new student blocks beside the UU in the city centre in Belfast?
Seems to be a concerted move to get students away from the Holylands.
Sorry I was misinformed.
Uu is a concerted move to further diminish Magee
They want the experience.... I'm lucky I can afford it, be tighter this year though, the youngest is moving to Manchester or Liverpool... beans and toast for me never mind them
I saw an ad for Truss on twitter saying that if you work hard she will support you.
I saw something else on twitter. Your current energy standard tariff £3239. 1 year fixed £6087.
This is called cognitive dissonance. How are people on the breadline supposed to cope ?
The North is like Scotland. No representation in Government. Stormont isn't even open.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 09:18:43 AM
They want the experience.... I'm lucky I can afford it, be tighter this year though, the youngest is moving to Manchester or Liverpool... beans and toast for me never mind them
Ach i know there is no talking to them , but you have to just go with the flow. What's your experience of properties outside the usual student haunts. Are they better standard?
Cost of living is a cross community issue in the Occupied Territories. Inflation does not benefit anyone.
Loyalists are ultra vulnerable. They always get the thin end of the wedge.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 09:18:43 AM
They want the experience.... I'm lucky I can afford it, be tighter this year though, the youngest is moving to Manchester or Liverpool... beans and toast for me never mind them
Ach i know there is no talking to them , but you have to just go with the flow. What's your experience of properties outside the usual student haunts. Are they better standard?
There have always been kips in the student areas around the lower Lisburn Road/Tates Ave, off Botanic, upper Ormeau and even in Stranmillis. However, Stranmillis, Lisburn Road and upper Ormeau never underwent the same ghettoisation as the Holylands/Botanic. They are proper filthy dumps and this was mainly driven by unregulated conversion of houses into HMOs in an area not setup for it. If you go from 3 or 4 in a house with one rubbish bin in the back yard to 6 or 7 across 3 flats requiring 3 separate bins it's no wonder the place is stinking. That's not taking into account the increase in noise, parking issues as students all have their own cars now, anti-social behaviour etc.
Yes TB.
It's the unregulated conversation into HMOs that gripes me , I was off the mark there on the cost but I know there is massive abuse of young ones rights going on .
When I was there away back in the day we lived in a big converted " big house" on the Malone Road , it's knocked down now. The guy who from Lurgan turned 8 rooms into separate units for rent and one shared kitchen, that was 30 years ago but .it has got awful minging up around some of those areas now .
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 09:18:43 AM
They want the experience.... I'm lucky I can afford it, be tighter this year though, the youngest is moving to Manchester or Liverpool... beans and toast for me never mind them
Ach i know there is no talking to them , but you have to just go with the flow. What's your experience of properties outside the usual student haunts. Are they better standard?
There have always been kips in the student areas around the lower Lisburn Road/Tates Ave, off Botanic, upper Ormeau and even in Stranmillis. However, Stranmillis, Lisburn Road and upper Ormeau never underwent the same ghettoisation as the Holylands/Botanic. They are proper filthy dumps and this was mainly driven by unregulated conversion of houses into HMOs in an area not setup for it. If you go from 3 or 4 in a house with one rubbish bin in the back yard to 6 or 7 across 3 flats requiring 3 separate bins it's no wonder the place is stinking. That's not taking into account the increase in noise, parking issues as students all have their own cars now, anti-social behaviour etc.
Problem is students don't really want to go anywhere else but the Holylands area.
It's a rite of passage so to speak for their first couple of years. Away from home, beer and banter. Beside their mates etc.
#Holylandsornowhere
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.
Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.
Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.
No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 09:56:50 AM
Cost of living is a cross community issue in the Occupied Territories. Inflation does not benefit anyone.
Loyalists are ultra vulnerable. They always get the thin end of the wedge.
I like you sea but you talk some shite.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 12:35:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.
Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.
No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it
Why would it matter if you got the same money and lived in the same place?
What is the point of NI if it is poorer than the South?
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 01:47:07 PM
What is the point of NI if it is poorer than the South?
It's tough up here, seems fine though in the south
Food banks in the south of Ireland
The main distributor of food through food banks in the south of Ireland is the charity Crosscare based in Dublin. Crosscare has operated a food distribution warehouse since 1989 which has supplied food to charities such as St Vincent de Paul, Dublin Simon, Focus Ireland and its own centres for the homeless. Given the worsening economic situation in Ireland and increasing demand for emergency food aid, Crosscare established four new community food banks in Blanchardstown, Bray, Swords and Tallaght. Crosscare estimates that 60 families per week receive support from each food bank and has plans to open more food banks in Carlow and Cork. In 2013, Crosscare distributed 450 tonnes of redistributed food providing over 180,000 meals based on the calculation that 1 tonne supplies 400 meals. This surplus food is supplied by manufacturers, retailers and distributors and much of it is normally used as animal feed by pig farmers and has been diverted to families in need.
Additional providers of emergency food aid in the south of Ireland include Twist Soup Kitchen Ireland which have opened premises in Athlone, Galway, Roscommon, Sligo and Tuam which are collectively feeding 300 people daily. The Capuchin Day Centre run by the Franciscan Order provides nearly 600 meals a day six days a week as well as distributing 1,200 food parcels weekly. The food poverty charity, Healthy Food for All, estimates that one in ten people are living in food poverty in Ireland which is defined as 'the inability to have an adequate and nutritious diet due to issues of affordability and access to food with related impacts on health, culture and social participation". A common message beating out from all of these charities and community groups is that the pressure on their services is growing as the economic recession deepens.
I refer you to Charlie's point ;D It doesn't matter how poor or rich you are. The union ;D
These are the people who will be most impacted by inflation
https://www.nisra.gov.uk/sites/nisra.gov.uk/files/publications/NIMDM17-%20with%20ns.pdf
Who has time to read 32 pages? Christ, your a laugh. Face it people are in the shit no mater where you live
I think there is a serious shock coming for people in the next few months as I believe that on the face of it a lot of people are living above their means. When I drop my kids off at school or take them to one of their matches once you take out the Audis, BMWs, Volvo and other 4 x 4s out of it there would not be many vehicles left. Young professionals buying their first home are paying more for their property and carrying more student debt yet starting salaries have not changed substantially. Once the first child comes then creche etc kicks in and that is not cheap.
Mortgages could be the problem. Handed out based on disposable income etc and now that will be shrank dramatically.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.
Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.
No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it
Why would it matter if you got the same money and lived in the same place?
I can't get the same money is my point and I'm near eligible now for state pension both sides of the border
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 02:25:11 PM
Who has time to read 32 pages? Christ, your a laugh. Face it people are in the shit no mater where you live
1. Rates of poverty are higher in the North
2. The North is more fragile. Knocknaheeney is unlikely to go over the top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2022, 02:59:54 PM
Mortgages could be the problem. Handed out based on disposable income etc and now that will be shrank dramatically.
And of course variable interest rates will increase. However, post 2007 mortgages generally left some headroom, unlike the pre crash ones.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2022, 04:28:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2022, 02:59:54 PM
Mortgages could be the problem. Handed out based on disposable income etc and now that will be shrank dramatically.
And of course variable interest rates will increase. However, post 2007 mortgages generally left some headroom, unlike the pre crash ones.
Interest rates went over 15% in 1979/80 because of inflation. Set off a massive recession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIh5dUOz824
Rates also went to 13% in 2992 when Sterling left the ERM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 03:26:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2022, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 12:35:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.
Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.
No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it
Why would it matter if you got the same money and lived in the same place?
I can't get the same money is my point and I'm near eligible now for state pension both sides of the border
Are you able to claim both pensions when you retire?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2022, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 12:35:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.
Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.
No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it
Why would it matter if you got the same money and lived in the same place?
I can't get the same money is my point and I'm near eligible now for state pension both sides of the border
Are you able to claim both pensions when you retire?
Apparently. I've to work 11 years in Republic first. I've not spent much time investigating it but all the oul lads in with us say that's the case
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:18:23 PM
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis
1 person per room?
If there is a group of billionaire headcases that run the world (from the top of the Statue of Liberty according to the Simpsons) and you were one of them......
What things would you do to solve these supposed world problems? (Eg. Growing population, climate change, energy , feeding the world, etc).......... while at the same time making as much money for yourself and your cronies as Possible..........
The odds are it would be something similar to what is happening right now...... Would it not?
https://mobile.twitter.com/LBC/status/1553048656839860224
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 30, 2022, 09:25:16 PM
If there is a group of billionaire headcases that run the world (from the top of the Statue of Liberty according to the Simpsons) and you were one of them......
What things would you do to solve these supposed world problems? (Eg. Growing population, climate change, energy , feeding the world, etc).......... while at the same time making as much money for yourself and your cronies as Possible..........
The odds are it would be something similar to what is happening right now...... Would it not?
Get people spending more on consumer goods. Which doesn't happen in a recession
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2022, 09:21:07 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:18:23 PM
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis
1 person per room?
Yes . Daughter is 700 per month,also 2 people sharing 2 bed flat, I thought it was 3 bed house. Both only got keys this week
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 30, 2022, 09:25:16 PM
If there is a group of billionaire headcases that run the world (from the top of the Statue of Liberty according to the Simpsons) and you were one of them......
What things would you do to solve these supposed world problems? (Eg. Growing population, climate change, energy , feeding the world, etc).......... while at the same time making as much money for yourself and your cronies as Possible..........
The odds are it would be something similar to what is happening right now...... Would it not?
The World Economic Forum.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:18:23 PM
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis
So not holylands?
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month :o
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month :o
My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenue... why are people paying that much?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month :o
My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenue... why are people paying that much?
There's obviously a demand for it
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month :o
My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenue... why are people paying that much?
There's obviously a demand for it
I'd say my daughters place is far better than the ones in Holylands... crazy ones are paying that
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Quote from: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month :o
My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenue... why are people paying that much?
There's obviously a demand for it
I'd say my daughters place is far better than the ones in Holylands... crazy ones are paying that
£330 a month is hardly crazy is it ?
Halls is £500 I suppose but I'd rather live were my kid is than Holylands to be honest
as long as the middle class are not starving then nothing will happen
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Quote from: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month :o
My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenue... why are people paying that much?
There's obviously a demand for it
I'd say my daughters place is far better than the ones in Holylands... crazy ones are paying that
£330 a month is hardly crazy is it ?
Per person it's robbery
https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/rent-wars-london-studio-vs-seaside-townhouse/176469640372091/ (https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/rent-wars-london-studio-vs-seaside-townhouse/176469640372091/)
I would encourage anyone to get out of Belfast/Dublin/ London as soon as they graduate.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 31, 2022, 10:50:08 AM
https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/rent-wars-london-studio-vs-seaside-townhouse/176469640372091/ (https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/rent-wars-london-studio-vs-seaside-townhouse/176469640372091/)
I would encourage anyone to get out of Belfast/Dublin/ London as soon as they graduate.
Problem is our stooges govt in Belfast have left us with a economy that forgets there is anywhere else outside Belfast . We have been exporting our wains here in Derry for over 100 years. Sinn Féin SDLP have not made it any better.
Derry is another great reason for a UI.
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 11:58:30 AM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.
We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 31, 2022, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 11:58:30 AM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.
We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economic activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 31, 2022, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 11:58:30 AM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.
We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economic activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.
The west of the Bann in general. Shite investment, shite infrastructure and public transport. But we know why that is.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
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Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
As in SDLP types like Declan Boyle?
Surely there are not rooms in the Holylands for 700 a month?!?!
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
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Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.
That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
As in SDLP types like Declan Boyle?
Dont know any of the lads up there to say other than you know they are mostly from our own community. Here in Derry its certainly across the board
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2022, 01:53:35 PM
Surely there are not rooms in the Holylands for 700 a month?!?!
350 per room
Quote from: markl121 on July 31, 2022, 12:36:45 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 11:58:30 AM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.
We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economiit's harder to understand post GFc activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.
The west of the Bann in general. Shite investment, shite infrastructure and public transport. But we know why that is.
It's harder to understand under power sharing. I think the North would have a lot of upside under a different system.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: markl121 on July 31, 2022, 12:36:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 31, 2022, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 11:58:30 AM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.
We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economiit's harder to understand post GFc activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.
The west of the Bann in general. Shite investment, shite infrastructure and public transport. But we know why that is.
It's harder to understand under power sharing. I think the North would have a lot of upside under a different system.
Trying to get anything passed under power sharing is brutal especially if it's perceived to favour the nationalist side.
Quote from: markl121 on August 01, 2022, 02:30:48 PM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 31, 2022, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 11:58:30 AM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.
We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economiit's harder to understand post GFc activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.
The west of the Bann in general. Shite investment, shite infrastructure and public transport. But we know why that is.
It's harder to understand under power sharing. I think the North would have a lot of upside under a different system.
Trying to get anything passed under power sharing is brutal especially if it's perceived to favour the nationalist side.
There has to be a way of dealing with structural issues such as poverty . They don't just impact nationalists
I think that the Northern state is a failure for both communities.
No food banks in the south?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
100 percent correct , we are away worse off than the south
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
Do you understand the "poor" measurement ? Also it's a bit muddy with plenty of households of single parents that aren't really single.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
I'll ask one more time.... Are there no food banks in the south?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
I'll ask one more time.... Are there no food banks in the south?
Why you ask ? I must have missed something
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 01, 2022, 10:10:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
Do you understand the "poor" measurement ? Also it's a bit muddy with plenty of households of single parents that aren't really single.
The underclass.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 01, 2022, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
I'll ask one more time.... Are there no food banks in the south?
Why you ask ? I must have missed something
Not asking you... Seafoid
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 11:03:28 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 01, 2022, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
I'll ask one more time.... Are there no food banks in the south?
Why you ask ? I must have missed something
Not asking you... Seafoid
Sorry, misread it
Relative poverty after housing costs for NI in 2017-2020 was 17%. ROI 13%. A fair difference but not as much as being made out.
Can't seem to find more up to date figures but I know they usually go in 3 year averages for this.
Ok one more time, are there food banks in the south and are they busy?
Btw I know the answer
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.
You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be €9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.
Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.
The oldest trick in the book.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.
You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be €9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.
Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.
The oldest trick in the book.
I don't think NI is the worst across the UK in all aspects of poverty. Some of the deeper poverty metrics that look into After housing costs (AHC) rather than just flat income rates show some areas of the UK worse.
That said, it's a bit like trying to find the positives from finding a turd on your street. Because whatever way you look at it, you've still got a turd on your street!!
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.
You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be €9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.
Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.
The oldest trick in the book.
This. Well said
It's not dissimilar in a lot of places. The people causing the problems are the ones that continue to get voted in. They put a manifesto out about change trying to gloss over the fact that we need change because of the position they put people in. People fall for it every time.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.
You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be €9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.
Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.
The oldest trick in the book.
I completely understand that in the North there are certainly worse off areas that than parts of the south. But wages in Dublin do not reflect the whole of Ireland which may in turn give a mixed view on things, otherwise why has there been a 70% rise in the the use or need for foodbanks?
Every one is noticing it more in their pocket, but to constantly post about how poor the north is (like he gives a shit) is a bit obsessive
As for the wine I wait on the 25% discounts at the local supermarkets and fill up lol!
Was in Malaga the other week, at a local tapas we'd probably 5 or 6 tapas with 6 or more drinks and a dessert between us, 40 euro .. same meal and drinks back home would cost close to £100, the game isnt straight
What are their wages etc though...
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 02, 2022, 10:25:34 AM
What are their wages etc though...
Not sure the average wage of but a quick google check and its 28 grand a year similar to the UK I think
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.
You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be €9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.
Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.
The oldest trick in the book.
I completely understand that in the North there are certainly worse off areas that than parts of the south. But wages in Dublin do not reflect the whole of Ireland which may in turn give a mixed view on things, otherwise why has there been a 70% rise in the the use or need for foodbanks?
Every one is noticing it more in their pocket, but to constantly post about how poor the north is (like he gives a shit) is a bit obsessive
As for the wine I wait on the 25% discounts at the local supermarkets and fill up lol!
Was in Malaga the other week, at a local tapas we'd probably 5 or 6 tapas with 6 or more drinks and a dessert between us, 40 euro .. same meal and drinks back home would cost close to £100, the game isnt straight
Ah Sainsburys
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2022/0802/1313445-beat-inflation-with-these-6-back-to-school-budgeting-tips/
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.
You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be €9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.
Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.
The oldest trick in the book.
No cost of living crisis in Co. Down. Was in a hotel in Newcastle over the weekend and it was £9.50 for a 125mL glass of white wine and a fiver for a small bottle of Peroni :o
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 02, 2022, 10:25:34 AM
What are their wages etc though...
Not sure the average wage of but a quick google check and its 28 grand a year similar to the UK I think
Restaurant staff in Malaga are categorically not being paid 28k a year.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2022, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.
You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be €9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.
Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.
The oldest trick in the book.
No cost of living crisis in Co. Down. Was in a hotel in Newcastle over the weekend and it was £9.50 for a 125mL glass of white wine and a fiver for a small bottle of Peroni :o
THe Slieve Donard no doubt. Big stuff!
Aye the bastards. If I had known the price the missus would have been on the tap water.
Quote from: gallsman on August 02, 2022, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 02, 2022, 10:25:34 AM
What are their wages etc though...
Not sure the average wage of but a quick google check and its 28 grand a year similar to the UK I think
Restaurant staff in Malaga are categorically not being paid 28k a year.
I wasn't quoting staff wages as anyone that works that type of job, (I've two daughters doing that currently) is getting buttons, the average wage in Spain I'm reporting
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2022, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isn't a smart idea.
Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.
You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be €9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.
Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.
The oldest trick in the book.
No cost of living crisis in Co. Down. Was in a hotel in Newcastle over the weekend and it was £9.50 for a 125mL glass of white wine and a fiver for a small bottle of Peroni :o
Ache sure spend a bit, ya can't take it with ya
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.
Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.
Quote from: toby47 on August 02, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.
Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.
£1.65, I passed one today, hopefully it continues
Quote from: toby47 on August 02, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.
Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.
Will this also follow through to the price of foodstuff in shops as we were told much of the hike in food cost was around the cost of fuel, particularly in relation to delivery supply chains?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on August 02, 2022, 02:40:17 PM
Quote from: toby47 on August 02, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.
Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.
Will this also follow through to the price of foodstuff in shops as we were told much of the hike in food cost was around the cost of fuel, particularly in relation to delivery supply chains?
I don't think so. Not until inflation is under control.
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on August 02, 2022, 02:40:17 PM
Quote from: toby47 on August 02, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.
Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.
Will this also follow through to the price of foodstuff in shops as we were told much of the hike in food cost was around the cost of fuel, particularly in relation to delivery supply chains?
I don't think so. Not until inflation is under control.
The price of fuel is one of the factors driving inflation at present.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on August 02, 2022, 04:24:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on August 02, 2022, 02:40:17 PM
Quote from: toby47 on August 02, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.
Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.
Will this also follow through to the price of foodstuff in shops as we were told much of the hike in food cost was around the cost of fuel, particularly in relation to delivery supply chains?
I don't think so. Not until inflation is under control.
The price of fuel is one of the factors driving inflation at present.
It is . But so is the war in Ukraine which has reduced the global supply of wheat and driven up food prices. Even if the price of oil moderates Putin is using gas as a lever to try to split the EU . As well, Supply chains will already have built in higher oil prices.
Once China invaded Taiwan we'll be fecked even more
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 06:16:28 PM
Once China invaded Taiwan we'll be fecked even more
I think the Chinese Army is a bit like the British Army and wouldn't dare going across the border.
https://twitter.com/huxijin_gt/status/1554519147572531200?s=21&t=BDDI7iNpq_U7HrM4_BxENw
I dunno it's looking ropey
a lot of analysts say china is still about 4 or 5 years away from being able to invade
Quote from: Eire90 on August 03, 2022, 02:51:23 AM
a lot of analysts say china is still about 4 or 5 years away from being able to invade
The Chinese economy has probably peaked.
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction
https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Quote from: bennydorano on August 03, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction
https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Crazy idea this. They'll fit pay as you go meters in all houses and turn normal people into criminals
Quote from: bennydorano on August 03, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction
https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
I think they would need more than a million for critical mass
Quote from: bennydorano on August 03, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction
https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Sounds good in theory but a bad idea if you were to be looking for a mortgage/loan afterwards.
Quote from: clarshack on August 03, 2022, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 03, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction
https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Sounds good in theory but a bad idea if you were to be looking for a mortgage/loan afterwards.
It depends how many people do it.
Quote from: markl121 on August 03, 2022, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 03, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction
https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Crazy idea this. They'll fit pay as you go meters in all houses and turn normal people into criminals
Sure I thought all the people with PAYG meters
were criminals.....
*magnets :-X
Quote from: toby47 on August 02, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.
Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.
It's the cúnts who are processing the fuel and making extortionate profits that need to pass this onto the forecourts but aren't.
Quote from: seafoid on August 03, 2022, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 03, 2022, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 03, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction
https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Sounds good in theory but a bad idea if you were to be looking for a mortgage/loan afterwards.
It depends how many people do it.
Yip, it's all about the numbers, that would make the Government step in and take action against the energy providers' profiteering.
It's likely a pipe dream, tho there's only so much shit the people will take. It really depends what the shte hawk rags like the Mail and Express do and they're screaming blue murder about the COL as loud as any leftie.
talks of people gathering in churches and other places to eat this winter wtf is where we at.
personally id rather just put on a few jumpers and go a long walk rather than sit in a church drinking tea will people be sleeping in churches too
13% inflation expected by December. That's a huge hit to people on the breadline.
The UK has higher inflation than elsewhere because of Brexit.
The response of our MLAs, MPs and all the chronies who support them is truly pathetic. Late to the party on school uniforms, going round in circles on transferring energy support to the most needy, and still taking their wages. It is absolutely disgusting. They are a bunch of bluffers, stealing a living.
Tbh it's borderline fraud what the DUP are at.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2022, 12:42:41 PM
Tbh it's borderline fraud what the DUP are at.
But, but, but NI Protocol..
Oh, and fleg.....
Have turned off 5live recently as its non stop doom and gloom, its as if they can find the most extreme view on the predictions they can find and run with it..
Few things, we can all do without a few things but not prepared to do without because its norm
Phones, data, takeaway's, treats, going to the pub, getting over priced coffee, brand labeled food, starters, non essential journeys or driving to local shop, holidays, turning the thermostat down, netflix and the rest, replica football tops (never had one)
I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more crap we could cut out and be a lot more healthier for it, but are you will to do without?
Some of the above might even bring down costs from the energy providers if we didn't use so much
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2022, 09:30:03 AM
13% inflation expected by December. That's a huge hit to people on the breadline.
The UK has higher inflation than elsewhere because of Brexit.
Inflation in reality is probably 20% at the minute. 13% on what was measured months ago. All the economic figures you get are from work done months ago. There is no real up to date / current figures.
Our politicians are stealing a living. c***ts need voted out. But we'll not do that because of flags.
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Quote from: trailer on August 10, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Somebody get this fella elected quickly, COL sorted.
Don't Pay campaign getting a bit of publicity.
BBC News - Energy bills: What do I do if I can't pay?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62435432
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
Have turned off 5live recently as its non stop doom and gloom, its as if they can find the most extreme view on the predictions they can find and run with it..
Few things, we can all do without a few things but not prepared to do without because its norm
Phones, data, takeaway's, treats, going to the pub, getting over priced coffee, brand labeled food, starters, non essential journeys or driving to local shop, holidays, turning the thermostat down, netflix and the rest, replica football tops (never had one)
I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more crap we could cut out and be a lot more healthier for it, but are you will to do without?
Some of the above might even bring down costs from the energy providers if we didn't use so much
This 100% there is no sacrifices being made in a lot of situations, not all but some. Me and the mrs would prob be considered middle of the road both work 5/6 days a week have a mortgage both have a car (one paid off one on finance) we've seen our bills sky rocket we've sat down and done a list of what we can and can't do without, take away coffees and making a lunch every day was something you wouldn't think too much about but I'd say between us it's over £100 a week cut, we also used to go for something to eat every Sunday either breakfast or lunch cut that back to once a month sometimes twice another £60/70saved. That's just on things we did food wise.
Simple things like shopping in Lidl for most of our stuff.
didn't upgrade her phone just got a PAYG sim cut another £50 a month. Gonna keep my car and not change it when it's paid off in 6 months be another 300 a month
It's about making cuts where you can, nobody's saying don't go on holiday etc, the small things are the 1s that add up i was shocked how much I was spending every day just grabbing coffee and lunch etc, make a lunch now and honestly makes no difference to me and it's saving me a fortune.
Quote from: themac_23 on August 10, 2022, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
Have turned off 5live recently as its non stop doom and gloom, its as if they can find the most extreme view on the predictions they can find and run with it..
Few things, we can all do without a few things but not prepared to do without because its norm
Phones, data, takeaway's, treats, going to the pub, getting over priced coffee, brand labeled food, starters, non essential journeys or driving to local shop, holidays, turning the thermostat down, netflix and the rest, replica football tops (never had one)
I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more crap we could cut out and be a lot more healthier for it, but are you will to do without?
Some of the above might even bring down costs from the energy providers if we didn't use so much
This 100% there is no sacrifices being made in a lot of situations, not all but some. Me and the mrs would prob be considered middle of the road both work 5/6 days a week have a mortgage both have a car (one paid off one on finance) we've seen our bills sky rocket we've sat down and done a list of what we can and can't do without, take away coffees and making a lunch every day was something you wouldn't think too much about but I'd say between us it's over £100 a week cut, we also used to go for something to eat every Sunday either breakfast or lunch cut that back to once a month sometimes twice another £60/70saved. That's just on things we did food wise.
Simple things like shopping in Lidl for most of our stuff.
didn't upgrade her phone just got a PAYG sim cut another £50 a month. Gonna keep my car and not change it when it's paid off in 6 months be another 300 a month
It's about making cuts where you can, nobody's saying don't go on holiday etc, the small things are the 1s that add up i was shocked how much I was spending every day just grabbing coffee and lunch etc, make a lunch now and honestly makes no difference to me and it's saving me a fortune.
Make a bigger dinner, eat less and bring the afters into work!!
I'm snookered for next 3 years with kids at college so will have to just do without the nice things for a period, be grand after that.. Kitchen loan should be paid off also, I think, I really didn't ask for how long we got it for but assume over 4/5 years
Quote from: bennydorano on August 10, 2022, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 10, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Somebody get this fella elected quickly, COL sorted.
If you have another solution I am all ears.
Quote from: trailer on August 10, 2022, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 10, 2022, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 10, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Somebody get this fella elected quickly, COL sorted.
If you have another solution I am all ears.
Could get an extra job or work an extra day...
Definitely cutting down on toilet roll. The price of it is scandalous.
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2022, 02:47:37 PM
Definitely cutting down on toilet roll. The price of it is scandalous.
Can always manage an extra fold that you don't plan on.
By the time we get this £400 it could be worth a lot less after the next increase. I have meters for gas and electric so am sticking on what ever I can afford now to stock up.
Quote from: Sportacus on August 10, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
The response of our MLAs, MPs and all the chronies who support them is truly pathetic. Late to the party on school uniforms, going round in circles on transferring energy support to the most needy, and still taking their wages. It is absolutely disgusting. They are a bunch of bluffers, stealing a living.
Uniform thing annoys me - btw as bad as the prices thing is, it's not that.
It's the fact that this conversation goes on mid-August year after year, after year.....and nothing is done about it.
Children's Comissioner puts out statements every year but nothing is every done.
It's like a topic for a week or so, then it's forgot about until the same time next year.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 10, 2022, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 10, 2022, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 10, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Somebody get this fella elected quickly, COL sorted.
If you have another solution I am all ears.
Could get an extra job or work an extra day...
A while back people were talking about working a 4 day week, a day less.
Quote from: themac_23 on August 10, 2022, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
Have turned off 5live recently as its non stop doom and gloom, its as if they can find the most extreme view on the predictions they can find and run with it..
Few things, we can all do without a few things but not prepared to do without because its norm
Phones, data, takeaway's, treats, going to the pub, getting over priced coffee, brand labeled food, starters, non essential journeys or driving to local shop, holidays, turning the thermostat down, netflix and the rest, replica football tops (never had one)
I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more crap we could cut out and be a lot more healthier for it, but are you will to do without?
Some of the above might even bring down costs from the energy providers if we didn't use so much
This 100% there is no sacrifices being made in a lot of situations, not all but some. Me and the mrs would prob be considered middle of the road both work 5/6 days a week have a mortgage both have a car (one paid off one on finance) we've seen our bills sky rocket we've sat down and done a list of what we can and can't do without, take away coffees and making a lunch every day was something you wouldn't think too much about but I'd say between us it's over £100 a week cut, we also used to go for something to eat every Sunday either breakfast or lunch cut that back to once a month sometimes twice another £60/70saved. That's just on things we did food wise.
Simple things like shopping in Lidl for most of our stuff.
didn't upgrade her phone just got a PAYG sim cut another £50 a month. Gonna keep my car and not change it when it's paid off in 6 months be another 300 a month
It's about making cuts where you can, nobody's saying don't go on holiday etc, the small things are the 1s that add up i was shocked how much I was spending every day just grabbing coffee and lunch etc, make a lunch now and honestly makes no difference to me and it's saving me a fortune.
I find people waste a lot of food. And waste a lot of money buying food that is then wasted . Some of the in laws when they call would bring Out some food they won't be getting through. Daft stuff, like diced packets of carrots or apple/pineapples etc. Maybe. A pound for a few chunks of pineapple in a tub. You'd get 7 or 8 times the amount for the same price, if you just bought a whole pineapple. I mean I know people are busy but how hard is it to cut a pineapple or slice a few carrots? Flip me but people have got more money than sense. And lazy as shite
I'm not a massive coffee drinker but I wouldn't give a penny for the pish that's considered coffee in those Starbucks Nando's or whoever the hell they are, places... £4 for a cup of pish. Madness.... £4 would cover me for a months coffee drinking at home.
Another thing... is breakfast cereals. A few years ago I started to but the cheaper weetabix. Happened to eat the real stuff other day and frig me it was Like eating cardboard. I'll stick with lidl's Thank you very much . That show 'eat well for less' with yer master chef fella is good for seeing where you can save and it shows the madness people have with big brands
If your job can be done in 4 days rather 5 then grand, if you need extra then generate another wage, sister in law buys and sells on eBay brings in 3 or 4 hundred a month, time consuming and a bitta effort required but once you're up and running it's fine.
Wife used to tutor for transfer tests years ago, was a steady earner, also marking exams brought in few quid. Does feck all now ;D
If I looked for a few extra areas in my profession I could earn good money, can't be arsed which I'll need to review going forward
What I'm trying to say there are loads of ways to get you through whatever happens these next few years of a recession, if you're willing or have the work ethic to do it
What's the view on heating oil, it's gone down to 88 a litre do I fill the sucker right up now or chance it for another month. It's still going down
Quote from: seafoid on August 10, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.
Does deflation ever happen?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2022, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 10, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.
Does deflation ever happen?
The great British public will have the wool pulled over their eyes in a few months when inflation starts lapping itself and the headline number will come down because of that. Government will spoof that they are getting it under control, but prices will actually still be high, even though the headline percentage will look like success.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on August 10, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
What's the view on heating oil, it's gone down to 88 a litre do I fill the sucker right up now or chance it for another month. It's still going down
In that boat myself. Need to check the tank tomorrow but If reckon a partial fill is imminent. That's serious money for a litre of oil. I may get the chainsaw sharpened for winter.
Stop killing trees.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2022, 11:06:35 PM
Stop killing trees.
There are plenty of Ash that are dead or dying the last 10 years that will have to be felled for Safety reasons anyway!
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2022, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 10, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.
Does deflation ever happen?
it does. We had d of the last deflation for most of the last decade. There is too much debt . It will probably happen when interest rates go down again., say at 2%
Quote from: seafoid on August 11, 2022, 06:55:18 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2022, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 10, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.
Does deflation ever happen?
it does. We had d of the last deflation for most of the last decade. There is too much debt . It will probably happen when interest rates go down again., say at 2%
Would it not entirely depend on what is driving you're inflation? The basic economics are if you have high inflation you increase interest rates to discourage spending until it's under control again. The problem at the minute is that inflation is being driven by soaring energy costs making everything else more costly to produce. The governments don't want to see inflation slowing until it's had the effect of greatly reducing any borrowing during the pandemic.
Yeah this is not your average kind of inflation I'd have thought.
Solutions here need to involved actual energy caps and not calling a price increase a cap...
Is a price cap a price cap if its increased 3 months down the line?
A big deep recession will sort inflation, and its coming worldwide.
Governments need to take the Energy companies to task, UK especially. Open season on profiteering.
For work I use a dongle for internet connection, possible EE, anyways, the odd time it will have run out of it original data and needs to be topped up..
Happened the other day and It used to be £15 for 10GB now its £17.50 for the same GB, where are the extra costs required for that top up?
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 11, 2022, 11:56:31 AM
Is a price cap a price cap if its increased 3 months down the line?
It's a cap on the energy companies profits I believe, if wholesale price goes up then so does the cap
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 11, 2022, 03:36:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2022, 01:16:45 PM
For work I use a dongle for internet connection, possible EE, anyways, the odd time it will have run out of it original data and needs to be topped up..
Happened the other day and It used to be £15 for 10GB now its £17.50 for the same GB, where are the extra costs required for that top up?
Dunno if this specifically helps but at the moment Argos are selling EE data sims with 120GB of data that has a 12 month expiry period for just £50 (£4.17 per 10GB of data).
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/2152310?clickPR=plp:3:10
Will forward that on to the IT guy, god love him. one man covering hundreds of computers and networks .. thanks
Quote from: bennydorano on August 11, 2022, 01:09:03 PM
A big deep recession will sort inflation, and its coming worldwide.
Governments need to take the Energy companies to task, UK especially. Open season on profiteering.
The EU price cap on gas is about €40 per megawatt . The UK price cap is over £260.
Another advantage of the wee Union.
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1557478057833017344?s=20&t=QXkRsPUqNA2Gz3mHRRg2Ag
Came across this tweet. Its scandalous the amount of businesses that came from nowhere and really benefited from the pandemic. No doubt backed by rich and powerful owners and friends
Quote from: Nanderson on August 11, 2022, 07:49:22 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1557478057833017344?s=20&t=QXkRsPUqNA2Gz3mHRRg2Ag
Came across this tweet. Its scandalous the amount of businesses that came from nowhere and really benefited from the pandemic. No doubt backed by rich and powerful owners and friends
Wonder did Private Eye do a cross reference investigation with Tory donorship?
Cost of living crisis hasn't hit Liverpool town centre.. place is rammed, bars restaurants full
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃
Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2022, 05:50:50 PM
Cost of living crisis hasn't hit Liverpool town centre.. place is rammed, bars restaurants full
This is it. Family member was questioning why they raise interest rates when nobody has any money and aren't spending money anyway. I laughed and told him to look around him.
People will also put boozing and partying before other things unfortunately & then cry poverty
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 17, 2022, 05:57:36 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃
Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉
Ah finding some alone time in O'Neills pub while they shop!!
No bargain buckets today!
Also the price of some of the student accommodation is crazy, but hey they are lining up the streets and piling them in
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 17, 2022, 06:03:46 PM
People will also put boozing and partying before other things unfortunately & then cry poverty
Maybe nearly as cheap to go out to the pub for 7 or 8 pints as is to sit in with the heat and electric on for the night the way things are going ;D ;D
It's a sad indicator of where this world is going when people are expected to be grateful that they can afford to stay fed and warm at night. Not much of a quality of life when you're forced to stay at home any time you're not working...It's called the cost of living and for me the social aspect whether it be pints down the pub, a trip to the football, heading to the local cinema (whatever you're into really) are as important a part of living as anything else..
I'm in Liverpool myself on the Uni run ;D I got 2 tickets for the Everton match 2moro as well. First time here, it's a fine city, wind would cut you to the bone tho. Big range of pint prices about the town.
I'll keep an eye out for you MR2, think I've seen your short arsed photo on Strava :)
I'm here uni run too, short arsed ;D I'd try and get tickets but sold out!!
Been to Everton before back in the day as we always stayed here then headed to Manchester ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2022, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 17, 2022, 05:57:36 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃
Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉
Ah finding some alone time in O'Neills pub while they shop!!
No bargain buckets today!
Also the price of some of the student accommodation is crazy, but hey they are lining up the streets and piling them in
We just finished building a student scheme in Coventry cheapest room £250 a week dearest studio room in excess of £450 a week
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on September 17, 2022, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2022, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 17, 2022, 05:57:36 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃
Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉
Ah finding some alone time in O'Neills pub while they shop!!
No bargain buckets today!
Also the price of some of the student accommodation is crazy, but hey they are lining up the streets and piling them in
We just finished building a student scheme in Coventry cheapest room £250 a week dearest studio room in excess of £450 a week
:o that's mortgage money. The young fella is in LIV in Belfast and we thought it was expensive at over 6 grand! The halls are class though.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 17, 2022, 06:56:37 PM
I'm in Liverpool myself on the Uni run ;D I got 2 tickets for the Everton match 2moro as well. First time here, it's a fine city, wind would cut you to the bone tho. Big range of pint prices about the town.
Was in Uni there 10 years ago, don't know it's still open but The Crown by lime street station done a great pint and Sunday dinner
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2022, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on September 17, 2022, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2022, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 17, 2022, 05:57:36 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃
Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉
Ah finding some alone time in O'Neills pub while they shop!!
No bargain buckets today!
Also the price of some of the student accommodation is crazy, but hey they are lining up the streets and piling them in
We just finished building a student scheme in Coventry cheapest room £250 a week dearest studio room in excess of £450 a week
:o that's mortgage money. The young fella is in LIV in Belfast and we thought it was expensive at over 6 grand! The halls are class though.
I left my nephew up to LIV last week , was impressed with it to be honest
Quote from: bennydorano on September 17, 2022, 06:58:33 PM
I'll keep an eye out for you MR2, think I've seen your short arsed photo on Strava :)
If ye see a wee bald belfasty walking around arguin way anyone about anythin thatll be him. Tho that describes most belfasties tbf 😉😂
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 17, 2022, 10:19:01 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 17, 2022, 06:58:33 PM
I'll keep an eye out for you MR2, think I've seen your short arsed photo on Strava :)
If ye see a wee bald belfasty walking around arguin way anyone about anythin thatll be him. Tho that describes most belfasties tbf 😉😂
And they're mostly called Fra
Hadn't been keeping an eye on the cost of coal since last winter. Got some gunk today when I bought a bag.
Bound to be lignite in East Tyrone.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2022, 10:51:12 PM
Hadn't been keeping an eye on the cost of coal since last winter. Got some gunk today when I bought a bag.
Bound to be lignite in East Tyrone.
Brackaville may pull the finger out.
I was getting 3 bags of 20kg doubles for £19 In March, same now, £42 and that's the cheapest.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-admits-weaponization-gas-halts-ns1-shipments-until-sanctions-lifted-eu-prepares
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0909/1321473-eu-energy-meeting/He also said that high energy prices are likely to be a factor for approximately two years.
"Europe is looking at other energy sources so that we don't become reliant on that Russian gas," Mr Ryan said.
"All the market analysis is that this is likely to be a difficult period for about two years.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0918/1323898-border-shopping-basket/
What's the price of diesel/unleaded in the south now compared to the 6 counties.
I remember about 20 years ago heading to emyvale with my jerrycans to fill up as there was a saving ti be made.
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 18, 2022, 08:54:24 AM
What's the price of diesel/unleaded in the south now compared to the 6 counties.
I remember about 20 years ago heading to emyvale with my jerrycans to fill up as there was a saving ti be made.
Diesel/Unleaded is 164.9/149.9 (£) at Mackle's. Having said that I wouldn't buy their stuff.
Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.
Interest rates up to 2.25%
Pity anyone who bought their first home in the past 2 - 3 years with an LTV of +90%, they are in for a big shock when their current mortgage deal ends.
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 22, 2022, 12:09:05 PM
Interest rates up to 2.25%
Struggling to understand how upping the interest rates will bring down inflation which is currently being driven by lack of supply and corporate greed rather than too much demand.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 22, 2022, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 22, 2022, 12:09:05 PM
Interest rates up to 2.25%
Struggling to understand how upping the interest rates will bring down inflation which is currently being driven by lack of supply and corporate greed rather than too much demand.
Interest rate increases increase the amount paid on borrowings. For companies this means that they might not go through with new borrowings, thus reducing growth prospects or reduces their profits as they pay more on debt repayments. Ultimately this will lead to job losses which results in less money being spent on the high street and shops.
And people who do have jobs are paying more on their mortgages so that's another driver for reducing spent.
So it is pretty nasty (in human terms) but ultimately it's the lever that the central banks use to create "demand destruction", with the result that prices fall and inflation gets back "under control".
Of course, had they printed less money over the last 10 days they could have avoided this seemingly being the only solution open to the Powers That Be.
The bit that gets me - all this money is basically in the hands of the large corporations. The excess money in society is in the profits of large corporations. It's not in the hands of joe public.
Cant remember the exact quote but last week i read theres a misconception that the UK is a rich nation, there are a few very rich people at the top while the standard of living for the majority is quite low
It is very skewed and just getting more and more skewed.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 22, 2022, 03:54:50 PM
Cant remember the exact quote but last week i read theres a misconception that the UK is a rich nation, there are a few very rich people at the top while the standard of living for the majority is quite low
As long as you've enough for a fish supper and crate of beer!!
I'm really needing to look at spending!! two daughters at college away from home and prices going through the roof!! Beans and toast for the year
Quote from: LC on September 22, 2022, 03:00:14 PM
Pity anyone who bought their first home in the past 2 - 3 years with an LTV of +90%, they are in for a big shock when their current mortgage deal ends.
Maybe the 'You'll Own Nothing by 2030' Conspiracy isn't that far fetched after all.
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
They're basically taking the piss now.
They don't care.
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
I'm all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money they're milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.
The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..
With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
I'm all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money they're milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.
Bananas... scrapping the 45p tax rate is blatant cronyism.
The Stamp Duty cut is blatant cronyism.
Scrapping bankers bonus cap . . . Scrapping the rise in corporation tax... all cronyism!
I could go on... the net effect of all the cuts is the increase in price we'll have to pay for energy given how much STG has tanked against the Dollar!!
It's criminal tbh. Not one f**k do they give.
Trickle down economics my arse.
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
I'm all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money they're milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.
And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.
Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.
The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..
With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...
We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
I'm all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money they're milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.
And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.
Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
100% agree. Would break your heart.
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.
The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..
With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...
We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.
Oh, that's ok then.... ::)
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.
The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..
With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...
We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.
Oh, that's ok then.... ::)
People made their choice at the last Stormont election. They overwhelming voted for parties who will not or cannot work together. They will have to just get on with it now.
I have huge sympathy for those in work who cannot make ends meet but this is the reality. It's going to be a long hard winter and but there is some personal responsibility to be borne by people.
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
I'm all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money they're milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.
And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.
Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
Yes o have sympathy for everyone here . Those working and those not. It's criminal the cost of heating , fuel etc.
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.
The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..
With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...
We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.
Oh, that's ok then.... ::)
I think people take out of the budget that's suits them and their income, It may not be the 'right' thing to say but I'm only in control of my family and if the budget suits then selfishly as it may sound it works (I'm all right jack)
The money has never been dished out fairly, by any government, how do you keep 70 million people happy? Even when exposed the Tories have no morale's and will continue to do this, they have been in government for 12 years, they can't blame anyone but themselves for the continuous f**k ups, this isnt a previous governments problem they are fixing, the country voted them in and now they are suffering for it, and the dicks will vote them back in again
At this stage in life (for me) is about getting to the end line, staying employed for the next 12 years or more will be the target..
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
I'm all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money they're milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.
And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.
Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
Yes o have sympathy for everyone here . Those working and those not. It's criminal the cost of heating , fuel etc.
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
I have zero sympathy for those that can work but choose not to work.
Choose being the key word here.
If they are struggling this winter why should they get assistance or indeed sympathy?
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
I'm all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money they're milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.
And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.
Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
Yes o have sympathy for everyone here . Those working and those not. It's criminal the cost of heating , fuel etc.
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
As I've said before it's a drop in the ocean compared to money being wasted/embezzled elsewhere but people who simply refuse to work should be getting nothing.
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Quote from: Mike Tyson on September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....
Quote from: Mike Tyson on September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
I'd be for taxing the absolute bejayus out of every penny the energy companies make and also introducing a price per unit cap that's affordable. But that doesn't mean it doesn't piss me off that Jimmy up the road is lying on his arse and earning as much as Mary next door who is working.
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...
"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"
It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shít they still need UC to survive..
We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
I'm all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money they're milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.
And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.
Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
Yes o have sympathy for everyone here . Those working and those not. It's criminal the cost of heating , fuel etc.
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
I have zero sympathy for those that can work but choose not to work.
Choose being the key word here.
If they are struggling this winter why should they get assistance or indeed sympathy?
Because it won't stop there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 02:33:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....
You can be unhappy about both you know.
Any form of ripping the arse out of it needs looked at.. The government has been doing that for years in whatever political coat they have on, and to a man I don't know of anyone who has half a brain would think they don't.. What's been done to fix it? Nothing, as they will say "oh we'll lose that company" and "they bring in a lot of employment to the area"
All of which is very true, but ultimately wrong with regards getting the proper amount of tax back... before becoming a teacher my wife worked in a accountancy firm doing tax, christ the amount of money business people were able to claim for, legally, was criminal!!!
The system is broke, and people can whinge if they want about the lazy hoors or the paid off CEO's of companies paying the bare minimum in tax while making huge profits on the back of the products they are selling.
Enlightening people about these companies or contracts given to them is not new information..
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 23, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?
The Government
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 23, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?
The Government
I'll let ya know next week when I get paid!
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 23, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?
The Government
Which is of course the taxpayer after the next election.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
I'd be for taxing the absolute bejayus out of every penny the energy companies make and also introducing a price per unit cap that's affordable. But that doesn't mean it doesn't piss me off that Jimmy up the road is lying on his arse and earning as much as Mary next door who is working.
Indeed - but if your 'pissed off' levels were relative, you'd be so angry at the stroking you are getting on other fronts that you wouldn't even notice that Jimmy wasn't working
You, Jimmy, Mary (and all of us here) are on the same team - we're all just plebs to those guys
But Murdoch and Rothermere have force fed you a diet of shit so whilst you and Jimmy are fighting in the street, and Mary's out grafting, they're in robbing your house
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/martin-lewis-mortgage-savings-warning-28062915
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 02:33:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....
You can be unhappy about both you know.
You certainly can, but most of your ire should be directed at those at the high end who either "avoid" tax or pay off the politicians to do them favours which run into billions of taxpayers money.
The Telegraph is offering up ways of reducing your heating bills this winter including reinsulating your house which anyone who's struggling to pay their bills will have enough disposable income to cover....
Heartless hoors.
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 02:33:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....
You can be unhappy about both you know.
You can indeed... but I must have missed your angry series of posts about the other ones
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:52:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
But those not working , you have to ask if it is worthwhile a person /couple doing a weeks work and being worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid better off.? Is it worth it for that much gain? You'd have to say no . It's not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)
Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Correct - a drop in the ocean
Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion
This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
- 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure
For context, the Trident spend is £205billion
But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats
With the bigger picture being completely missed
The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
I'd be for taxing the absolute bejayus out of every penny the energy companies make and also introducing a price per unit cap that's affordable. But that doesn't mean it doesn't piss me off that Jimmy up the road is lying on his arse and earning as much as Mary next door who is working.
Indeed - but if your 'pissed off' levels were relative, you'd be so angry at the stroking you are getting on other fronts that you wouldn't even notice that Jimmy wasn't working
You, Jimmy, Mary (and all of us here) are on the same team - we're all just plebs to those guys
But Murdoch and Rothermere have force fed you a diet of shit so whilst you and Jimmy are fighting in the street, and Mary's out grafting, they're in robbing your house
Agree with you completely. The majority of us can't see the wood from the trees. It's a whole lot easier to point out the easy targets scamming the system at a lower level. They all should be called out though
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 23, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 23, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?
The Government
Which is of course the taxpayer after the next election.
It's always the taxpayer - the only question is the date on the invoice
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.
No idea what the daily mail comments are about.
The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.
I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 03:30:08 PM
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.
No idea what the daily mail comments are about.
The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.
I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
It's capital versus labour. It doesn't matter how hard you work. You will get also get shafted.
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Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 03:30:08 PM
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.
No idea what the daily mail comments are about.
The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.
I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
It's capital versus labour. It doesn't matter how hard you work. You will get also get shafted.
Unless you are in a company that pays you well for hard work and effort. though getting paid well means I get shafted by HMRC ;D
Ah feck it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 23, 2022, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 03:30:08 PM
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.
No idea what the daily mail comments are about.
The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.
I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
It's capital versus labour. It doesn't matter how hard you work. You will get also get shafted.
Unless you are in a company that pays you well for hard work and effort. though getting paid well means I get shafted by HMRC ;D
Ah feck it
Lol
You're stamping the cards 50hrs a week and getting a few grand a month for it
I'd venture we're all in the same middle class boat
But don't be under any illusions - you're getting screwed
Protests tommorow in dublin id say not many will show up or it will be hijacked by far right or far left types or people will moan saying in their posh dublin voice saying why are these people not working despite it being on a Saturday.
No doubt we are all getting screwed - but if you work you have a (slightly?) better chance of getting through this shit show.
Those that decide they want to lie on their arse - feck em
As someone said earlier , people not working and claiming a few quid is the low lying fruit compared to the billionaires / politicians cronies ..higher up the Food chain
I don't understand the ire directed at those claiming/not working . And just because someone seems to be sitting on their arse, you don't really know their circumstances./health situation.
Anyway , I really couldn't give a shiny shite what Johnny down the road does or doesn't do, if he works or not, claims or not. What's it to me? It's none of My business. Good luck to Johnny , he's only trying to get by like the rest of us .
If he was dishing out drugs to our kids , well that's a different story . Then we'd have something to complain about. But claiming a few pennies , who gives a shite
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 04:30:24 PM
No doubt we are all getting screwed - but if you work you have a (slightly?) better chance of getting through this shit show.
Those that decide they want to lie on their arse - feck em
what about people that dont work but go to gym often
Their is lots of obese people that work and a lot of them fund drug dealers just because someone works does not make them an autimatic angel or good community person
Today's Tax cuts in the UK are likely the first tax cuts that will materially worsen your financial situation.
is tax cuts not good
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
Short term they put money in your pocket & in theory more money into the economy but in the current inflationary spiral it mightn't be a good thing. Unfunded tax cuts aren't good for market confidence & might hasten a real sterling collapse, plus its going on top of already record levels of UK Government debt, interest rate rises may also be required for longer & may be sharper.
It's a gamble, it might pay off, but I haven't seen anything in any UK tory Cabinet in the past 12 years that would inspire confidence.
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 05:39:17 PM
As someone said earlier , people not working and claiming a few quid is the low lying fruit compared to the billionaires / politicians cronies ..higher up the Food chain
I don't understand the ire directed at those claiming/not working . And just because someone seems to be sitting on their arse, you don't really know their circumstances./health situation.
Anyway , I really couldn't give a shiny shite what Johnny down the road does or doesn't do, if he works or not, claims or not. What's it to me? It's none of My business. Good luck to Johnny , he's only trying to get by like the rest of us .
If he was dishing out drugs to our kids , well that's a different story . Then we'd have something to complain about. But claiming a few pennies , who gives a shite
There are people that really need help, the old, the disabled, the NHS etc. But there is only so much tax that you can collect, see what is going on today, and if money is going to people who do not need it then it is not going to people who do need it.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 23, 2022, 06:34:05 PM
It's a gamble, it might pay off, but I haven't seen anything in any UK tory Cabinet in the past 12 years that would inspire confidence.
it might pay off, but because of Brexit and high energy costs the real markets are not buoyant right now. It isn't thought through, it is only dogma.
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 04:30:24 PM
No doubt we are all getting screwed - but if you work you have a (slightly?) better chance of getting through this shit show.
Those that decide they want to lie on their arse - feck em
Your pension is in an asset bubble. Watch what happens to it when interest rates go to 6% and then 9%.
Switzerland has a referendum about the state pension scheme on Sunday. The conventional thinking says the Government is right. Increase the retirement age and VAT. But that won't fix the problem. Now is treacherous.
Sylvie Linnane said you need a few tinkers if you want to win an all Ireland. You do.
The Shinners, People against People and other lefties characterise the Irish government as Tories. However, I'd say that the Irish budget next week will not be in the same style as this one.
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
Not if your currency takes a nosedive against the dollar... the tax gains that those earning below £150k have made are effectively wiped out in the weakness of the £ having to buy fuel in USD!
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Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
Not if your currency takes a nosedive against the dollar... the tax gains that those earning below £150k have made are effectively wiped out in the weakness of the £ having to buy fuel in USD!
Seemed tiered, £150,000 gets the best but £100,000 saves £1,500 over the year and drops as you go down
Looks like Truss made the wrong move, as she was well warned of the problems it would bring before hand.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 24, 2022, 01:20:34 AM
Looks like Truss made the wrong move, as she was well warned of the problems it would bring before hand.
I seriously think her handlers pushed her down the path in order that she got elected, puppet leader
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 08:17:14 PM
The Shinners, People against People and other lefties characterise the Irish government as Tories. However, I'd say that the Irish budget next week will not be in the same style as this one.
they are fairly Tory like. But the British Tories have gone to another level in the past 10 years
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
Ai. That's why the pound is tanking.
It's a good budget for rich people is all it is.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:31:51 PM
It's a good budget for rich people is all it is.
It's good for anyone who works, rich or poor.
No it's not.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2022, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:31:51 PM
It's a good budget for rich people is all it is.
It's good for anyone who works, rich or poor.
It's not when the pound tanks and therefore pushes up inflation further.
Pound tanks and interest rates going up significantly. Everything becomes a lot dearer so a small tax cut isn't going to make any odds.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 08:32:16 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 24, 2022, 01:20:34 AM
Looks like Truss made the wrong move, as she was well warned of the problems it would bring before hand.
I seriously think her handlers pushed her down the path in order that she got elected, puppet leader
They are all puppet leaders .
Quote from: blasmere on September 24, 2022, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2022, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:31:51 PM
It's a good budget for rich people is all it is.
It's good for anyone who works, rich or poor.
It's not when the pound tanks and therefore pushes up inflation further.
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I joined Treasury in 1979 and have never seen a fiscal stimulus this large. With Bank of England raising interest rates, economy is being driven with brake and accelerator hard down. Not ideal.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:37:29 PM
Pound tanks and interest rates going up significantly. Everything becomes a lot dearer so a small tax cut isn't going to make any odds.
In the case its bad for the rich too.
Not if their hedge funds are betting against the pound.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2022, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:37:29 PM
Pound tanks and interest rates going up significantly. Everything becomes a lot dearer so a small tax cut isn't going to make any odds.
In the case its bad for the rich too.
Withdraw kid. You're out of your depth.
Quote from: red hander on September 24, 2022, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2022, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:37:29 PM
Pound tanks and interest rates going up significantly. Everything becomes a lot dearer so a small tax cut isn't going to make any odds.
In the case its bad for the rich too.
Withdraw kid. You're out of your depth.
Ha! You haven't a notion about me.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 09:04:54 PM
Not if their hedge funds are betting against the pound.
Anyone can open an IG Forex account and short the pound if they want, rich or poor.
You can even get it as an app on your phone.
There is the small matter of not having the money to do it if you are poor. If you are poor you are unlikely to have hedge fund investments.
The Pound tanking is a nightmare for the cost of oil and petrol. Oil is priced in USD for a weak pound makes it very expensive
Quote from: Under Lights on September 25, 2022, 10:38:53 AM
The Pound tanking is a nightmare for the cost of oil and petrol. Oil is priced in USD for a weak pound makes it very expensive
Yep.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 25, 2022, 09:48:41 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 09:04:54 PM
Not if their hedge funds are betting against the pound.
Anyone can open an IG Forex account and short the pound if they want, rich or poor.
You can even get it as an app on your phone.
It also helps if you go to a meeting in London attended by the PM a week before you announce a budget that shorter the £...
Guess what a load of people in the room made million's on Friday.
Did your app send you an invite?
Quote from: johnnycool on September 25, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 25, 2022, 09:48:41 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 09:04:54 PM
Not if their hedge funds are betting against the pound.
Anyone can open an IG Forex account and short the pound if they want, rich or poor.
You can even get it as an app on your phone.
It also helps if you go to a meeting in London attended by the PM a week before you announce a budget that shorter the £...
Guess what a load of people in the room made million's on Friday.
Did your app send you an invite?
It did not . But there were news articles about this last week. It was widely believed a Truss tax cuts budget would hammer the pound temporarily.
They were right and people with their eyes open made money.
Yes. Rich people with their eyes open.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 25, 2022, 11:51:19 AM
Yes. Rich people with their eyes open.
Im sorry I cant be holed talking to you anymore.
Funny I was thinking the exact same about you so that works well :D
Lads. Lads. LADS
Ah fcuk yis ive shit o me own to deal with
LADS
Youse are sore on the rich men.
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2022/0921/1324607-20-tips-for-saving-money-on-your-grocery-shopping/
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-09-14/terrible-inflation-data-and-a-big-market-selloff-make-bad-news-for-everyone?leadSource=uverify%20wall
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
Maybe trailer is in the 1% and rolling in it and won't be relying on the NHS or social care in his twilight years...
Quote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2022, 05:22:13 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
Maybe trailer is in the 1% and rolling in it and won't be relying on the NHS or social care in his twilight years...
Scandanavian countries have the highest taxation rates in the world and yet they regularly are rated the best countries to live in with regard to contentment among citizens. That's because people know their taxes are going to provide really high quality public services including excellent health care systems and care for the elderly.
And prisons!! Scandinavian prisons best .. well there was a documentary on it with some aul Tory mp visiting them
Pound at it's lowest ever against the dollar today :(
Quote from: lenny on September 26, 2022, 06:03:19 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2022, 05:22:13 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
Maybe trailer is in the 1% and rolling in it and won't be relying on the NHS or social care in his twilight years...
Scandanavian countries have the highest taxation rates in the world and yet they regularly are rated the best countries to live in with regard to contentment among citizens. That's because people know their taxes are going to provide really high quality public services including excellent health care systems and care for the elderly.
They also have an excellent work ethic. If you applied their tax structure to here there'd be nobody in work.
Quote from: lenny on September 26, 2022, 06:03:19 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2022, 05:22:13 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
Maybe trailer is in the 1% and rolling in it and won't be relying on the NHS or social care in his twilight years...
Scandanavian countries have the highest taxation rates in the world and yet they regularly are rated the best countries to live in with regard to contentment among citizens. That's because people know their taxes are going to provide really high quality public services including excellent health care systems and care for the elderly.
Swedish citizens are not very happy bunnies these days. The far right is in the ascendant.
The shopping bill is going up a tenner a week at this rate.
Banks are starting to pull mortgages. It's starting. I have a few friends and family members house hunting at the moment and I'm pleading with them to wait a year until after the inevitable crash.
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.
Quote from: toby47 on September 27, 2022, 09:12:44 AM
The shopping bill is going up a tenner a week at this rate.
A tenner? Its wild the amount has changed so much over the last year... Lidil is even getting expensive
Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.
Unless whatever you make is sourced purely from the local market then you'll feel the devaluing of the £ when you go to bring in materials outside the UK which I'd hazard a guess most businesses do then plus with oil being priced in $'s expect your transportation costs, energy costs to take yet another hike upwards..
yes, if you sell your product priced in £ vrs € or $ then it'll look more competitive to those markets.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 27, 2022, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.
Unless whatever you make is sourced purely from the local market then you'll feel the devaluing of the £ when you go to bring in materials outside the UK which I'd hazard a guess most businesses do then plus with oil being priced in $'s expect your transportation costs, energy costs to take yet another hike upwards..
yes, if you sell your product priced in £ vrs € or $ then it'll look more competitive to those markets.
Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.
Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 27, 2022, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.
Unless whatever you make is sourced purely from the local market then you'll feel the devaluing of the £ when you go to bring in materials outside the UK which I'd hazard a guess most businesses do then plus with oil being priced in $'s expect your transportation costs, energy costs to take yet another hike upwards..
yes, if you sell your product priced in £ vrs € or $ then it'll look more competitive to those markets.
Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.
That's the modern way and if you're a multinational with HQ outside of the UK you'll be easier to pay now as well ;)
Sterling has fallen one third since Brexit. UK disposable income per head is 2,000 lower than French now.
At least the North is still in the Single Market.
Quote from: seafoid on September 27, 2022, 02:20:44 PM
Sterling has fallen one third since Brexit. UK disposable income per head is 2,000 lower than French now.
At least the North is still in the Single Market.
Second year in a row that's happened, with almost disastrous consequences
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Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
This aged well.
We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.
"Intelligent people" and "Exporters" are not the same thing.
As you have proven ;D
Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.
Of course that makes you completely immune to the effects of power & energy costs... and of wage inflation. Also, in the longer term, your completely isolated from the education system - and don't need to provide health insurance to employees as the NHS is there.
If your "services" are reliant on software licences, then their base price usually isn't in GBP - even if what you were quoted is.
But its a budget for the intelligent. ::)
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Sinn Fein need to get someone that is not directly connected to them to show how much better off someone in NI would be looking back 6 months and looking forward 6 months if they were part of the Republic than the UK.
If it's a significant amount - you'd expect it to give floating voters something to really think about.
Glad I work in Free State, a good budget to offset some of the horrendous effects on living in the UK under their mini budget.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 27, 2022, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.
Of course that makes you completely immune to the effects of power & energy costs... and of wage inflation. Also, in the longer term, your completely isolated from the education system - and don't need to provide health insurance to employees as the NHS is there.
If your "services" are reliant on software licences, then their base price usually isn't in GBP - even if what you were quoted is.
But its a budget for the intelligent. ::)
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Sinn Fein need to get someone that is not directly connected to them to show how much better off someone in NI would be looking back 6 months and looking forward 6 months if they were part of the Republic than the UK.
If it's a significant amount - you'd expect it to give floating voters something to really think about.
Of course I'm not.
In regards to Education and the NHS people are going to have to suck it up in NI. They have voted overwhelming in favour of parties who won't or can't work together. That is a responsibility they will have to bear. You can't go out and vote for political parties based on the constitutional argument then complain when you can't get to see a doctor or if your school is under funded. We are getting exactly the government we deserve for voting in imbeciles.
Quote from: seafoid on September 27, 2022, 02:20:44 PM
Sterling has fallen one third since Brexit. UK disposable income per head is 2,000 lower than French now.
At least the North is still in the Single Market.
Farrage et al were overjoyed when blue passports returned and boasted about the welcome return of the crown symbol on pint glasses. The laugh is they're now so skint they won't have any use for either of these
The likes of Farage is not skint though. I would suspect there are many behind the scenes influences with boys like this and he is far from skint.
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 27, 2022, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.
Of course that makes you completely immune to the effects of power & energy costs... and of wage inflation. Also, in the longer term, your completely isolated from the education system - and don't need to provide health insurance to employees as the NHS is there.
If your "services" are reliant on software licences, then their base price usually isn't in GBP - even if what you were quoted is.
But its a budget for the intelligent. ::)
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Sinn Fein need to get someone that is not directly connected to them to show how much better off someone in NI would be looking back 6 months and looking forward 6 months if they were part of the Republic than the UK.
If it's a significant amount - you'd expect it to give floating voters something to really think about.
Of course I'm not.
In regards to Education and the NHS people are going to have to suck it up in NI. They have voted overwhelming in favour of parties who won't or can't work together. That is a responsibility they will have to bear. You can't go out and vote for political parties based on the constitutional argument then complain when you can't get to see a doctor or if your school is under funded. We are getting exactly the government we deserve for voting in imbeciles.
Years of sectarian blindness,
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 09:45:06 AM
The likes of Farage is not skint though. I would suspect there are many behind the scenes influences with boys like this and he is far from skint.
Not sure about that or why would he be offering a service to do messages for people for £70 a pop or the likes.
He's a patsy for the big money men but they'll disown him in the drop of a hat.
Im just glad for FF/FG
Quote from: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 09:45:06 AM
The likes of Farage is not skint though. I would suspect there are many behind the scenes influences with boys like this and he is far from skint.
Not sure about that or why would he be offering a service to do messages for people for £70 a pop or the likes.
He's a patsy for the big money men but they'll disown him in the drop of a hat.
He is that but there is a bit more to that boy than meets the eye I suspect.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 09:45:06 AM
The likes of Farage is not skint though. I would suspect there are many behind the scenes influences with boys like this and he is far from skint.
Not sure about that or why would he be offering a service to do messages for people for £70 a pop or the likes.
He's a patsy for the big money men but they'll disown him in the drop of a hat.
He is that but there is a bit more to that boy than meets the eye I suspect.
He's a devious hoor, Bannon and the likes knew he was of value to him and his projects and a destabilising force, but there was always that very right wing underbelly of the Tory's and British society as a whole and they feed off that, stir it up and watch the devastation and division take hold...
It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.
Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.
Oh, and the IMF are "left wing" and in the control of the EU.
If you think the IMF are left wing you gotta ask yourself if you're that far right that fascism is within touching distance.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 11:23:34 AM
It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.
Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.
Truss is going a fantastic job if you're a venture capitalist and whilst she's now in hiding the BoE is having to cover for them by covering Gov debt..
UK is a basket case.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
Oh, and the IMF are "left wing" and in the control of the EU.
If you think the IMF are left wing you gotta ask yourself if you're that far right that fascism is within touching distance.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 11:23:34 AM
It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.
Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.
Truss is going a fantastic job if you're a venture capitalist and whilst she's now in hiding the BoE is having to cover for them by covering Gov debt..
UK is a basket case.
And this is why she was a cert to get the top job, well backed by those that matter.. puppet and the strings are like big fecking ropes you'd use when tying up a ship!
Quote from: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
Oh, and the IMF are "left wing" and in the control of the EU.
If you think the IMF are left wing you gotta ask yourself if you're that far right that fascism is within touching distance.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 11:23:34 AM
It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.
Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.
Truss is going a fantastic job if you're a venture capitalist and whilst she's now in hiding the BoE is having to cover for them by covering Gov debt..
UK is a basket case.
Tory government. It has to be undone but can't be for 2 years. The half of them should be locked up.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 28, 2022, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
Oh, and the IMF are "left wing" and in the control of the EU.
If you think the IMF are left wing you gotta ask yourself if you're that far right that fascism is within touching distance.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 11:23:34 AM
It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.
Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.
Truss is going a fantastic job if you're a venture capitalist and whilst she's now in hiding the BoE is having to cover for them by covering Gov debt..
UK is a basket case.
And this is why she was a cert to get the top job, well backed by those that matter.. puppet and the strings are like big fecking ropes you'd use when tying up a ship!
I think one thing we've learnt over the last few years ( if not before) is that they're all puppets . There's a cabal of billionaire gangsters behind the scenes pulling the strings , buying and selling politicians and governments . That's who really runs the show . Democracy is an illusion
It's like someone said a few pages back - governments used to at least pretend they cared about the poor/working class. They don't even pretend anymore as seen with that Tory budget
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 27, 2022, 07:27:48 PM
Sinn Fein need to get someone that is not directly connected to them to show how much better off someone in NI would be looking back 6 months and looking forward 6 months if they were part of the Republic than the UK.
If it's a significant amount - you'd expect it to give floating voters something to really think about.
You do realise that they do not want to do this? Such a comparison would undermine their contention that everyone in the 26 counties was banjaxed. Likewise they claim to want a United Ireland, which will cost money, while at the same time advocating blowing the 26 county budget so that there will be no capacity left to help with unity.
Bank of England steps in. Further humiliation for Truss & Kwasi. When the dust settles it should at least stabilise things.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63056188
A lot of the damage has been done by Brexit but that won't get mentioned by lots of right wing media. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig and the UK has been in a sinking downward spiral ever since that momentous day. The ERG led Tories enabled by a cabal of billionaire media moguls have exacerbated things further by putting their own self interests before that of the country as a whole. It's irreversible now though and they have left behind a deeply divided country both culturally and economically. Economies worldwide are likely to go into deep recession for a few years but few will have fallen or taken as much of a credibility bump as the UK. It could all turn very nasty for the Tory party if the people start revolting when the harsh economic reality bites for more and more people.
This aint good
Truss had actually built up some goodwill with the energy price package for households
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 28, 2022, 01:03:07 PM
Truss had actually built up some goodwill with the energy price package for households
See how long that lasts when it is wiped out by rising mortgages, all so the bankers can get their bonuses and pay less tax on it!!
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 28, 2022, 01:03:07 PM
Truss had actually built up some goodwill with the energy price package for households
No she hadn't.
You and I are going to be paying for it over many years when the obvious answer was to tax the huge profits in the energy sector.
not only did she let them away scot free, she also allowed the opening up of more oil and gas exploration in the North Sea and fracking in England with some bullshit excuse about energy security when every man and his dog knows that this will be sold on the global market with SFA going towards the UK ordinary Joe.
The Germans nationalise their power companies, the French already had theirs nationalised but Truss and Co double down on their free market ideology which is screwing the UK businesses and consumers to the absolute wall.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 28, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
A lot of the damage has been done by Brexit but that won't get mentioned by lots of right wing media. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig and the UK has been in a sinking downward spiral ever since that momentous day. The ERG led Tories enabled by a cabal of billionaire media moguls have exacerbated things further by putting their own self interests before that of the country as a whole. It's irreversible now though and they have left behind a deeply divided country both culturally and economically. Economies worldwide are likely to go into deep recession for a few years but few will have fallen or taken as much of a credibility bump as the UK. It could all turn very nasty for the Tory party if the people start revolting when the harsh economic reality bites for more and more people.
I would fully expect civil unrest tbh.
Fionntamhnach I would agree with everyone you say there. Does anyone think these people wouldn't have known the impact that budget would have? They are far from stupid - they are as rotten a government as you could get. This is just the money side - all workers rights are looking to be stripped for striking etc and then there's the human rights side they're trying to strip down too. Rotten.
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
You must be sitting comfortably. How are people going to pay mortgages/rents that are going to go through the roof? Let alone gas/oil/electric bills that are soaring as wel.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 28, 2022, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
Quote from: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PMThis is a good budget for intelligent people.
Quote from: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:23:40 AMTurn off the news. It'll be ok.
Fingers in the ears stuff. It brings to mind the time Boris came over and told the business leaders to bin the Brexit customs forms and that there would be no checks. Just forget about it and it will all go away!
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 28, 2022, 02:10:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
You must be sitting comfortably. How are people going to pay mortgages/rents that are going to go through the roof? Let alone gas/oil/electric bills that are soaring as wel.
People feeling the squeeze already & winter hasn't even hit. Never mind the people coming out of fixed term mortgages who are going to be crippled by payments, or landlords coming out of fixed terms/variable mortgages who will have to skyrocket rent.
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
Its going to cost me a lot more, so give over will you, empathy not your thing, i cant remember this gloom since early 80s
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
Ah so hundreds of pounds a month additional outgoings will be grand for everyone so.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
Ah so hundreds of pounds a month additional outgoings will be grand for everyone so.
If everyone is having to find a few hundred extra each month I could see quite a few having to hand big cars/jeeps back to go for more affordable options. My monthly payments aren't too bad and I don't intend to change car for a while. Some of those big range rovers/jags/Porsches though must have massive monthly payments.
In 2 years - Diesel has went from £1.14 a litre to £1.80(ish)
Heating oil £0.25/litre to £1
Bag of coal from £5.50 to £17
The jump in the month figure of those 3 increases alone in my house is scary. Well over £300 a month extra on diesel alone for me & the wife. On top of everything else, the extra cost of electric, the shopping bill gone through the roof, the cost of a few pints/night out etc. Thankfully we are in a decent position at the moment, however if a recession kicked in & god forbid, one of us lost our jobs, it would be panic. Average people are really starting to feel the squeeze, never mind people on low incomes & single parents, I hear conversations at work of people getting it really tough at the moment, it's happening.
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Quote from: toby47 on September 28, 2022, 02:34:46 PM
In 2 years - Diesel has went from £1.14 a litre to £1.80(ish)
Heating oil £0.25/litre to £1
Bag of coal from £5.50 to £17
The jump in the month figure of those 3 increases alone in my house is scary. Well over £300 a month extra on diesel alone for me & the wife. On top of everything else, the extra cost of electric, the shopping bill gone through the roof, the cost of a few pints/night out etc. Thankfully we are in a decent position at the moment, however if a recession kicked in & god forbid, one of us lost our jobs, it would be panic. Average people are really starting to feel the squeeze, never mind people on low incomes & single parents, I hear conversations at work of people getting it really tough at the moment, it's happening.
Was walking around the town where I work earlier today, and prices for stuff even in BM Bargins was through the roof, but still a lot cheaper for some items you'd get in lets say a Tesco shop..
Fuel in some places at the minute for petrol anyways was sitting at 1.47 locally for me
Got 500 liters though the other day, £485!!, Id a few weeks left in the tank but thought I'd get some.. might last till xmas
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sure that's grand then
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 28, 2022, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: toby47 on September 28, 2022, 02:34:46 PM
In 2 years - Diesel has went from £1.14 a litre to £1.80(ish)
Heating oil £0.25/litre to £1
Bag of coal from £5.50 to £17
The jump in the month figure of those 3 increases alone in my house is scary. Well over £300 a month extra on diesel alone for me & the wife. On top of everything else, the extra cost of electric, the shopping bill gone through the roof, the cost of a few pints/night out etc. Thankfully we are in a decent position at the moment, however if a recession kicked in & god forbid, one of us lost our jobs, it would be panic. Average people are really starting to feel the squeeze, never mind people on low incomes & single parents, I hear conversations at work of people getting it really tough at the moment, it's happening.
Was walking around the town where I work earlier today, and prices for stuff even in BM Bargins was through the roof, but still a lot cheaper for some items you'd get in lets say a Tesco shop..
Fuel in some places at the minute for petrol anyways was sitting at 1.47 locally for me
Got 500 liters though the other day, £485!!, Id a few weeks left in the tank but thought I'd get some.. might last till xmas
Yeah en-route to work today I saw diesel as a GO station for 1.71 and the highest was £1.86 at a garage.
I also got 600L of heating the other day for £522, a very good rate through work.
Many people don't have the margins to cope with inflation.
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Dairy manor butter spread was 1.89 a tub a cple of months ago. It slowly crept up to 2.99 which it was until today when it jumped to 3.49. That's 50p. No way
@lidl_ni
that's too big a jump specially when the gold spread isn't really going up at all.
Quote from: seafoid on September 28, 2022, 05:40:08 PM
Many people don't have the margins to cope with inflation.
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Deardra
@Barnabybear70
Dairy manor butter spread was 1.89 a tub a cple of months ago. It slowly crept up to 2.99 which it was until today when it jumped to 3.49. That's 50p. No way
@lidl_ni
that's too big a jump specially when the gold spread isn't really going up at all.
If you understood what that muck does to your insides you wouldn't begrudge the cost of real butter. Either that or eat dry bread. Not that I would normally advocate eating bread. It will keep starvation at bay until the springtime
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Wee Sammy was all for the mini budget. So was Isabel Oakeshott. The DUP are the useful idiots thall i Sasana
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
If that's the level of your economic knowledge, I'd give this thread a swerve.
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
You're probably right about the last part.
The middle part completely escapes the fact that the tax cuts were not particularly significant for struggling people and have had significantly detrimental implications.
The predictions were that Truss would oust Johnson as the worst UK prime minister in living memory and she is certainly living up to that bill which takes some doing. Listening to her being interviewed this morning and she is so wooden and robotic it is painful. She has no answer only to blame Putin! I think she is only a puppet however and was put forward as leader to become the sacrificial lamb for the ERG section of the party.
I'm convinced that this UK government will not last its full term and that the ERG were aware that their goose is almost cooked. The Tories are on the road to being obliterated at the next election and it will be delightful to watch it unfold as they are among some of the biggest vultures in society. History will not be kind to them and rightfully so but unfortunately thousands of ordinary people will be left picking up the can for their self interest and ineptitude.
How in the utter f**k cutting the 45% tax for the top earners and unrestricting bankers bonuses in the times we're in is allowed I don't know.
All we're missing is let them eat cake.
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
Says the man on GAA board talking about the news on a weekly basis
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
Stop digging, you're convincing nobody but yourself. Just because you might not be affected, the majority of people will be and its a stressful time for people who are struggling to pay the bills. Telling people to not get worked up is just rubbing salt in the wounds.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 29, 2022, 11:02:56 AM
How in the utter f**k cutting the 45% tax for the top earners and unrestricting bankers bonuses in the times we're in is allowed I don't know.
All we're missing is let them eat cake.
How many people do you know paying the top rate (45%) of tax? You realise they will still pay 40% tax? Like it's not just as if they are scrapping tax altogether.
Restricting Banker's bonuses was just playing to the crowd after the financial crash. Those jobs will go to places were bonuses are unrestricted or they will just increase the base salaries to get around it. Bankers won't lose out that's for sure. Lots of those well paying City jobs left because of Brexit. This is a play to get them back.
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. You've demonstrated that you don't really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then I'd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. You've demonstrated that you don't really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then I'd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.
I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?
What is the alternative is what I am asking?
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. You've demonstrated that you don't really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then I'd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.
I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?
What is the alternative is what I am asking?
Tax energy companies, continue to tax the rich. Don't go against Fairly basic financial market recommendations. We were going to be in a bad spot along with everyone else. We've now weakened the currency in addition to the global circumstances that are outside our control. And it was obvious what was goi g to happen. Economists predicted it ffs. You know this but don't want to back down on your initial comment ref the budget as it makes you look a bit clueless. It's a clusterf**k. I know it, you know it, the international markets know it, the IMF know it, the BOE know it. And you know what, Truss knows it too.
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. You've demonstrated that you don't really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then I'd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.
I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?
What is the alternative is what I am asking?
Not doing the tax cut for 150k+ earners would have been a start.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. You've demonstrated that you don't really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then I'd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.
I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?
What is the alternative is what I am asking?
Not doing the tax cut for 150k+ earners would have been a start.
This and the bankers bonuses. Regardless of how much or how little difference these 2 things are going to make- the optics of it is terrible at a time like this. Seen earlier just as an example that premier league footballers are going to be saving about 250k a year on tax?
Great to see help going to those who need it most...
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 29, 2022, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. You've demonstrated that you don't really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then I'd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.
I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?
What is the alternative is what I am asking?
Not doing the tax cut for 150k+ earners would have been a start.
This and the bankers bonuses. Regardless of how much or how little difference these 2 things are going to make- the optics of it is terrible at a time like this. Seen earlier just as an example that premier league footballers are going to be saving about 250k a year on tax?
Great to see help going to those who need it most...
I agree the optics are terrible.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:53:01 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sometimes it's ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Don't be like Truss, don't double down on your mistake.
Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!
One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.
Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.
You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. You've demonstrated that you don't really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then I'd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.
I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?
What is the alternative is what I am asking?
Tax energy companies, continue to tax the rich. Don't go against Fairly basic financial market recommendations. We were going to be in a bad spot along with everyone else. We've now weakened the currency in addition to the global circumstances that are outside our control. And it was obvious what was goi g to happen. Economists predicted it ffs. You know this but don't want to back down on your initial comment ref the budget as it makes you look a bit clueless. It's a clusterf**k. I know it, you know it, the international markets know it, the IMF know it, the BOE know it. And you know what, Truss knows it too.
Agree with everything you say. I might be paranoid but my concern is Truss and the government know exactly what they're doing. Faced with pension's crashing, repossessions and savings being reduced overnight, the perfect storm is set to slash public spending by ten's of Billions putting the NHS at risk and the government having the space to sell it off. The public will be distracted with their own financial concerns to notice.
Tories always wanted Brexit and I fear many in the party want to finish off the NHS as well before they then happily hand it over to Labour to deal with the fall out.
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
:-\Truss was a remainer too
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
Yes and no, Labour did make mistakes but media allowed the narrative Labour made a balls of it. The reality is if Labour didn't win in 1997 the NHS wouldn't have survived another two or three years. The Tories had pretty much finished off the NHS but ran out of time. In my opinion they thought it couldn't survive but rightly or wrongly Blair and Labour found significant funding to save and improve it. The same situation is playing out but this time I fear the Tories won't allow it to be saved which is what we're seeing play out now.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there won't be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.
Quote from: Last Man on September 29, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there won't be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.
I totally agree it isn't just about money, it's about goverance and managing it starting at primary care level. In my opinion we need to save it though and not just say the system is broken. A look at dentistry is a snapshot of life without the NHS.
Quote from: Last Man on September 29, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there won't be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.
For sure people are at fault in blocking the system with self inflected health problems (as he eats a twix with a cuppa)
Unfortunately there are some illnesses that are not because of a bad diet/lifestyle and some of the fittest people I know have died, others were at deaths door because of it, those that were lucky are lucky because they got screened early and were fit enough to be operated on quickly, they were strong in their recovery also..
We still need something that can be affordable (for nothing) that will help the likes of the cancer screenings/treatments and medications to live longer
I've no answer to this btw , we can only look after ourselves health wise as best we can and hope everyone will do the same
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: Last Man on September 29, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there won't be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.
For sure people are at fault in blocking the system with self inflected health problems (as he eats a twix with a cuppa)
Unfortunately there are some illnesses that are not because of a bad diet/lifestyle and some of the fittest people I know have died, others were at deaths door because of it, those that were lucky are lucky because they got screened early and were fit enough to be operated on quickly, they were strong in their recovery also..
We still need something that can be affordable (for nothing) that will help the likes of the cancer screenings/treatments and medications to live longer
I've no answer to this btw , we can only look after ourselves health wise as best we can and hope everyone will do the same
That's not what I mean exactly, how modern medicine including lifestyle advice is practiced is directed by drugs and medical equipment companies and captured science. Good health is not good for the bottom line. It's about keeping people just sick enough to keep it all going. To make worse the global economy is underpinned by it also so there probably is no answer at this stage. We're just screwed
Quote from: Last Man on September 29, 2022, 01:55:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: Last Man on September 29, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there won't be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.
For sure people are at fault in blocking the system with self inflected health problems (as he eats a twix with a cuppa)
Unfortunately there are some illnesses that are not because of a bad diet/lifestyle and some of the fittest people I know have died, others were at deaths door because of it, those that were lucky are lucky because they got screened early and were fit enough to be operated on quickly, they were strong in their recovery also..
We still need something that can be affordable (for nothing) that will help the likes of the cancer screenings/treatments and medications to live longer
I've no answer to this btw , we can only look after ourselves health wise as best we can and hope everyone will do the same
That's not what I mean exactly, how modern medicine including lifestyle advice is practiced is directed by drugs and medical equipment companies and captured science. Good health is not good for the bottom line. It's about keeping people just sick enough to keep it all going. To make worse the global economy is underpinned by it also so there probably is no answer at this stage. We're just screwed
Disaster capitalism. New world order. Consumer droids. George Soros, Illuminati. Jim Corr.
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 03:05:52 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.
Your kinda Jim Corr if you don't tbh.
Some fabulous bargains in Ballymena coming up thanks to Liz and the DUP
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11262629/Couple-forced-sell-rates-hit-7-calculator-shows-repayments-up.html
Quote from: seafoid on September 29, 2022, 03:25:34 PM
Some fabulous bargains in Ballymena coming up thanks to Liz and the DUP
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11262629/Couple-forced-sell-rates-hit-7-calculator-shows-repayments-up.html
Daily Mail Seafoid. I'm surprised!?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 03:05:52 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.
Your kinda Jim Corr if you don't tbh.
;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 03:05:52 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.
We're all fucked. Happy?
Quote from: yellowcard on September 29, 2022, 10:58:15 AM
The predictions were that Truss would oust Johnson as the worst UK prime minister in living memory and she is certainly living up to that bill which takes some doing. Listening to her being interviewed this morning and she is so wooden and robotic it is painful. She has no answer only to blame Putin! I think she is only a puppet however and was put forward as leader to become the sacrificial lamb for the ERG section of the party.
I'm convinced that this UK government will not last its full term and that the ERG were aware that their goose is almost cooked. The Tories are on the road to being obliterated at the next election and it will be delightful to watch it unfold as they are among some of the biggest vultures in society. History will not be kind to them and rightfully so but unfortunately thousands of ordinary people will be left picking up the can for their self interest and ineptitude.
In fairness, Sunak, who obviously had half an economic brain in his head for all his faults, made it clear during the leadership campaign that now was not the time for tax cuts. He said that if he became leader he would ride out the storm before cutting taxes. Truss made it clear that she would do so immediately so the Tory membership have a lot to answer for voting the silly bitch in.
Can't even load up on the gas before the increased rates kick in on 1 October according to Martin Lewis, the sneaky c***ts send the new rates to the shops top up machines weeks in advance so on 1 October you will be on the hook for the new increase rate, regardless of when you bought the gas :-\
Quote from: mackers on September 29, 2022, 04:23:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 29, 2022, 10:58:15 AM
The predictions were that Truss would oust Johnson as the worst UK prime minister in living memory and she is certainly living up to that bill which takes some doing. Listening to her being interviewed this morning and she is so wooden and robotic it is painful. She has no answer only to blame Putin! I think she is only a puppet however and was put forward as leader to become the sacrificial lamb for the ERG section of the party.
I'm convinced that this UK government will not last its full term and that the ERG were aware that their goose is almost cooked. The Tories are on the road to being obliterated at the next election and it will be delightful to watch it unfold as they are among some of the biggest vultures in society. History will not be kind to them and rightfully so but unfortunately thousands of ordinary people will be left picking up the can for their self interest and ineptitude.
In fairness, Sunak, who obviously had half an economic brain in his head for all his faults, made it clear during the leadership campaign that now was not the time for tax cuts. He said that if he became leader he would ride out the storm before cutting taxes. Truss made it clear that she would do so immediately so the Tory membership have a lot to answer for voting the silly bitch in.
That's precisely it though. They voted in a rudderless puppet who they knew would dance to their tune most. It was never about the greater good of the country for those ERG far right types. Not that Sunak is a prospective world leader but he at least does have a decent concept of finance and almost everything that he predicted came to pass after the mini budget.
Quote from: trailer on September 29, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 03:05:52 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.
We're all fucked. Happy?
We're not all fucked but the budget was shit ;D
Don't know if this has already been asked, but am I best to top up my electric by a couple of hundred before these price hikes?
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on September 29, 2022, 09:09:03 PM
Don't know if this has already been asked, but am I best to top up my electric by a couple of hundred before these price hikes?
I had a post about this on up the page, you can't do it on gas. Depending on your electric meter you may be able to but they may try and claim it back
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/prepay-top-up-trick/
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on September 29, 2022, 09:09:03 PM
Don't know if this has already been asked, but am I best to top up my electric by a couple of hundred before these price hikes?
I am with Power NI on a top up meter, I loaded my meter before the June hike and weekly usage has been the same since March. So I think it works, I going to give another significant top-up tomorrow so I will remain on the June rate into next year.
OK folks so I had credit on my keypad meter but i thought I would try the trick of topping up more before October 1st but Electric Ireland have already sent me a long code which will automatically change the rate come October 1st so ideally I'd like to hold off on putting in the new top up and keep getting the existing credit at the lower rate but was just wondering was there a time limit I have to use the new top up by?
Quote from: Ghost on September 29, 2022, 10:19:37 PM
OK folks so I had credit on my keypad meter but i thought I would try the trick of topping up more before October 1st but Electric Ireland have already sent me a long code which will automatically change the rate come October 1st so ideally I'd like to hold off on putting in the new top up and keep getting the existing credit at the lower rate but was just wondering was there a time limit I have to use the new top up by?
Not sure on the expiry length of the topup Ghost, might be worth checking in with them.
With Electric Ireland myself, had to top up in the last week and got the 40 digit code, which means I will move over to the new rates on 1st October. My own fault for not reading the finer detail of the tariff increase emails
With your first top up from 10 September you will receive a one-off 40 digit code to enter into your keypad meter in preparation for the price increase on 1st October 2022. This will be 20 calendar days from the price change taking effect. It is important to top up your meter with the 40 digit code prior to any further top ups, as these may not be accepted until the 40 digit code has been entered.So if I had been on the ball before 10 September, and topped up a lump sum it would have kept me on the current tariff until it ran done.
Quote from: pbat on September 29, 2022, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on September 29, 2022, 09:09:03 PM
Don't know if this has already been asked, but am I best to top up my electric by a couple of hundred before these price hikes?
I am with Power NI on a top up meter, I loaded my meter before the June hike and weekly usage has been the same since March. So I think it works, I going to give another significant top-up tomorrow so I will remain on the June rate into next year.
pbat - I would try to see when powerni topup time is, I would imagine it's already too late. If you have credit sitting you'd be as well letting it run low.
I see the scams are out already for cost of living benefits!! Had two messages sent to phone already today!
Some parasites about
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 30, 2022, 03:38:49 PM
I see the scams are out already for cost of living benefits!! Had two messages sent to phone already today!
Some parasites about
My daughter got them to her phone. Looking gullible people to fleece
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 30, 2022, 03:38:49 PM
I see the scams are out already for cost of living benefits!! Had two messages sent to phone already today!
Some parasites about
I have had a couple through myself
Anyone work for private companies that are giving pay increases across the board, to deal with the rate of inflation?
Heard from 2 different people recently who's companies got an overall increase, the figures they gave were 8% & 14%. Is this the norm at the minute? Refreshing to hear.
Definitely not the norm in the construction industry in the north anyway
Ive heard the same from a few friends, its definitely happening with some employers
But its certainly not widespread
Quote from: God14 on October 25, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
Ive heard the same from a few friends, its definitely happening with some employers
But its certainly not widespread
Not really a rise for inflation, but the cost of items have increased which has a positive increase on the salaries!! So a roundabout increase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmJvQCEnbE
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63378633
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmJvQCEnbE
Ordinary working people will be in early graves due to stress, depression, suicide, starvation, malnutrition , Or hypothermia . Millions of People working their nuts off and still not able to even afford the basics. The elites rig the game so that only they benefit, no one else
It's genocide . There's no other word for it
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2022, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmJvQCEnbE
Ordinary working people will be in early graves due to stress, depression, suicide, starvation, malnutrition , Or hypothermia . Millions of People working their nuts off and still not able to even afford the basics. The elites rig the game so that only they benefit, no one else
It's genocide . There's no other word for it
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group
Bit exaggerated?
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2022, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmJvQCEnbE
Ordinary working people will be in early graves due to stress, depression, suicide, starvation, malnutrition , Or hypothermia . Millions of People working their nuts off and still not able to even afford the basics. The elites rig the game so that only they benefit, no one else
It's genocide . There's no other word for it
Beginning to agree.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2022, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2022, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmJvQCEnbE
Ordinary working people will be in early graves due to stress, depression, suicide, starvation, malnutrition , Or hypothermia . Millions of People working their nuts off and still not able to even afford the basics. The elites rig the game so that only they benefit, no one else
It's genocide . There's no other word for it
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group
Bit exaggerated?
Maybe a bit slower than genghis khan did but it's the same end result
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2022, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmJvQCEnbE
Ordinary working people will be in early graves due to stress, depression, suicide, starvation, malnutrition , Or hypothermia . Millions of People working their nuts off and still not able to even afford the basics. The elites rig the game so that only they benefit, no one else
It's genocide . There's no other word for it
Catch a grip ffs and stay off Twitter
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 25, 2022, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2022, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmJvQCEnbE
Ordinary working people will be in early graves due to stress, depression, suicide, starvation, malnutrition , Or hypothermia . Millions of People working their nuts off and still not able to even afford the basics. The elites rig the game so that only they benefit, no one else
It's genocide . There's no other word for it
Catch a grip ffs and stay off Twitter
How else would you describe it
You know this is happening globally so all the countries governments are in on it to collectively cull the poor, I suppose the pandemic didn't do it and the vaccines haven't don't it so it's now the rich rulers of the world
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2022, 10:23:21 PM
You know this is happening globally so all the countries governments are in on it to collectively cull the poor, I suppose the pandemic didn't do it and the vaccines haven't don't it so it's now the rich rulers of the world
You look with your eyes open. You have a head start on most people.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2022, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmJvQCEnbE
Ordinary working people will be in early graves due to stress, depression, suicide, starvation, malnutrition , Or hypothermia . Millions of People working their nuts off and still not able to even afford the basics. The elites rig the game so that only they benefit, no one else
It's genocide . There's no other word for it
Who are the elites?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2022, 10:23:21 PM
You know this is happening globally so all the countries governments are in on it to collectively cull the poor, I suppose the pandemic didn't do it and the vaccines haven't don't it so it's now the rich rulers of the world
Would say genocide is a bit far
But there is 100% an agenda to strip assets from the middle classes (the working classes have already been stripped)
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy
They yearn for the 1800's where there were only aristocrats and peasants
The laugh is that they've convinced lots of people on that they will be aristocrats - and therefore they should support this
If I'm lucky, I might get to actually own my own home, I can't see my kids every owning their own homes..
There won't be any extra money left to our kids when we get older as the nursing homes will bleed any savings dry.
But I don't believe there is a higher order who sit down Spectre style and determine how they kill the poor and strip the middle earners.
I don't believe there's a higher order either but there's definitely a bigger divide and the bigger divide the more only the rich will be listened to and the bigger, and bigger, the divide will be. Truss was blatant about not giving a shite for poor people . To me it's all about donors etc. Do what you can to keep them happy and to hell with the rest. That is specific to UK but I doubt it's much different elsewhere.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63386350
To paraphrase a famous Russian boxer "If They Die, They Die". Banks approach to energy crisis
There is no higher order.
It's just innate human greed, permitted room to manifest itself in the most callous of ways, fuelled by politics, marketing and education converging under one umbrella in which material wealth, and increased profits by any means necessary, are the key to happiness.
That's it in a nutshell.
We are handcuffed to that though, and there is no other alternative so we are swimming (against the tide a lot) to stay afloat...
Shite!!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2022, 08:31:17 AM
If I'm lucky, I might get to actually own my own home, I can't see my kids every owning their own homes..
There won't be any extra money left to our kids when we get older as the nursing homes will bleed any savings dry.
But I don't believe there is a higher order who sit down Spectre style and determine how they kill the poor and strip the middle earners.
I'm not referring to a specific group, like some movie villains ;D
But asset stripping of the middle classes is definitely a hallmark of the large corporations (especially financial ones)
And politicians are bought off to enable this through policy decisions
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2022, 08:31:17 AM
If I'm lucky, I might get to actually own my own home, I can't see my kids every owning their own homes..
There won't be any extra money left to our kids when we get older as the nursing homes will bleed any savings dry.
But I don't believe there is a higher order who sit down Spectre style and determine how they kill the poor and strip the middle earners.
Ever? I wouldn't bet the house on it.
house prices have always gone in circles, same as Antrim hurling.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 03, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down
Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.
I think the left is weaker in Ireland due to political history and emigration
France are very keen on the striking though - they're probably not a good reference point for anyone but agreed there should be more striking. I honestly thought there may be civil unrest by now but I think these things may take a while to kick in and it could well happen yet. (That's UK or Ireland).
I was just looking and inflation in turkey is 122% :o
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 26, 2022, 11:17:36 AM
France are very keen on the striking though - they're probably not a good reference point for anyone but agreed there should be more striking. I honestly thought there may be civil unrest by now but I think these things may take a while to kick in and it could well happen yet. (That's UK or Ireland).
I was just looking and inflation in turkey is 122% :o
That's part of the reason nothing is changing . People aren't wrecking the place
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 26, 2022, 11:17:36 AM
France are very keen on the striking though - they're probably not a good reference point for anyone but agreed there should be more striking. I honestly thought there may be civil unrest by now but I think these things may take a while to kick in and it could well happen yet. (That's UK or Ireland).
I was just looking and inflation in turkey is 122% :o
Are they wrecking the place in Turkey? 122% pure mental
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2022, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 26, 2022, 11:17:36 AM
France are very keen on the striking though - they're probably not a good reference point for anyone but agreed there should be more striking. I honestly thought there may be civil unrest by now but I think these things may take a while to kick in and it could well happen yet. (That's UK or Ireland).
I was just looking and inflation in turkey is 122% :o
Are they wrecking the place in Turkey? 122% pure mental
Apparently the Turkish currency (Lira) I think has been dropping in value for ages and would been seen as almost a joke by a lot of economists- it actually grew in value agains the pound while Truss was in charge!
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 26, 2022, 11:17:36 AM
France are very keen on the striking though - they're probably not a good reference point for anyone but agreed there should be more striking. I honestly thought there may be civil unrest by now but I think these things may take a while to kick in and it could well happen yet. (That's UK or Ireland).
I was just looking and inflation in turkey is 122% :o
I think civil unrest will only happen when people have lost everything and it's too late at that stage.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 26, 2022, 11:17:36 AM
France are very keen on the striking though - they're probably not a good reference point for anyone but agreed there should be more striking. I honestly thought there may be civil unrest by now but I think these things may take a while to kick in and it could well happen yet. (That's UK or Ireland).
People in England should first try voting for credible individuals instead of striking and what not. That is democracy.
There is no point in voting for some lube that promotes Brexit and then complaining because people get poorer.
When are they going to vote though? Sure they're two prime ministers on and likely to be more before the next election at current rate.
This is appalling. NI has much higher poverty rates than the South
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63378633
The price of pasta, tea, chips and cooking oil has soared, according to new data, with vegetable oil going up by 65% in a year.
Quote from: seafoid on October 26, 2022, 02:51:08 PM
This is appalling. NI has much higher poverty rates than the South
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63378633
The price of pasta, tea, chips and cooking oil has soared, according to new data, with vegetable oil going up by 65% in a year.
Fúck that mamby pamby crap, back to buying the blocks of lard from the butcher..
Quote from: johnnycool on October 26, 2022, 03:10:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 26, 2022, 02:51:08 PM
This is appalling. NI has much higher poverty rates than the South
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63378633
The price of pasta, tea, chips and cooking oil has soared, according to new data, with vegetable oil going up by 65% in a year.
Fúck that mamby pamby crap, back to buying the blocks of lard from the butcher..
You will notice that the price of mince has gone down. In a SpagBol the mince costs more than the pasta, so the cost has not gone up as much as suggested.
I suppose a chip butty will have gone up.
Pasta per kilo is a good bit cheaper than mince. At least it used to be
Meanwhile over in the States
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/10/26/total-mortgage-demand-sinks-to-lowest-level-since-1997.html
was talking to a car mechanic yesterday and he was saying it's really quietened down for him and for other mechanics he also knows.
Quote from: clarshack on October 27, 2022, 02:02:08 PM
was talking to a car mechanic yesterday and he was saying it's really quietened down for him and for other mechanics he also knows.
People can't get MOT bookings or just aren't bothering mot'ing cars at the minute
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2022, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 27, 2022, 02:02:08 PM
was talking to a car mechanic yesterday and he was saying it's really quietened down for him and for other mechanics he also knows.
People can't get MOT bookings or just aren't bothering mot'ing cars at the minute
he said nobody is getting their car serviced atm as they are saving their pennies, said that when it comes to the MOT everyone is just putting their car through in the hope that it passes and therefore no money spent apart from the fee.
Quote from: clarshack on October 27, 2022, 02:16:11 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2022, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 27, 2022, 02:02:08 PM
was talking to a car mechanic yesterday and he was saying it's really quietened down for him and for other mechanics he also knows.
People can't get MOT bookings or just aren't bothering mot'ing cars at the minute
he said nobody is getting their car serviced atm as they are saving their pennies, said that when it comes to the MOT everyone is just putting their car through in the hope that it passes and therefore no money spent apart from the fee.
Yeah I would well believe it.
Quote from: seafoid on October 26, 2022, 03:36:31 PM
Meanwhile over in the States
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/10/26/total-mortgage-demand-sinks-to-lowest-level-since-1997.html
7.2% for the average 30 year fixed highest since 2002
Quote from: Gmac on October 27, 2022, 06:06:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 26, 2022, 03:36:31 PM
Meanwhile over in the States
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/10/26/total-mortgage-demand-sinks-to-lowest-level-since-1997.html
7.2% for the average 30 year fixed highest since 2002
It has been very volatile since 2020
The 6 counties gets a whack from London again. The electric subsidy in England fixed a prices, the base price in NI is lower but they seem to be applying the same subsidy, so the rates end up reasonable.
Click Energy have published the below. Sure if you had economy 7 and the units were 1.5P you'd put the heaters on max! I suppose much of this is wind generated in the winter, but it doesn't quite promote economy. It doesn't make sense that the day rate is cheaper than the 24 hour rate and the fixed cost the same.
(https://www.clickenergyni.com/getattachment/Compare-Switch/Compare/Bill-Pay-Online-Web-Compare-Table.png.aspx?width=900&height=434)
Back in November 2021, my electricty was £50 per month.
After a number of steady rises, SSE Airtricity are putting it up to over £150 per month.
Anyone else seen a similar rise?
Quote from: Orior on November 05, 2022, 04:30:15 PM
Back in November 2021, my electricty was £50 per month.
After a number of steady rises, SSE Airtricity are putting it up to over £150 per month.
Anyone else seen a similar rise?
Approximately and can fluctuate....
£80+/month has risen to £120+/month
Power NI.....keypad....
In fairness the washing machine....tumble dryer.....lights....TV....charging all gadgets......all get a good rattle
I read most power stations producing the electric we all use run off gas and 90+% of our gas came from Russia. The price is not gonna come down any time soon it seems
The EU has signed a gas deal with Azerbaijan
Quote from: OrchardOrange on November 05, 2022, 09:13:28 PM
I read most power stations producing the electric we all use run off gas and 90+% of our gas came from Russia. The price is not gonna come down any time soon it seems
It depends where you live. In Ireland, the gas comes from Corrib or the North Sea. It is all the same price, of course.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on November 05, 2022, 08:09:30 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 05, 2022, 04:30:15 PM
Back in November 2021, my electricty was £50 per month.
After a number of steady rises, SSE Airtricity are putting it up to over £150 per month.
Anyone else seen a similar rise?
Approximately and can fluctuate....
£80+/month has risen to £120+/month
Power NI.....keypad....
In fairness the washing machine....tumble dryer.....lights....TV....charging all gadgets......all get a good rattle
Charge gadgets at work
The EU has signed a gas deal with Azerbaijan
Quote from: seafoid on November 05, 2022, 10:29:22 PM
The EU has signed a gas deal with Azerbaijan
I'm sure that pipeline will develop a mysterious leak.
It's crazy the price of crisps. Even the deals of the McCoys are a lie becauce when you buy them in bulk, ie the multipacks, most of the packets are full of air. Then cat litter is near a fiver. You're better making litter yourself from stone and ferns etc.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 05, 2022, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on November 05, 2022, 08:09:30 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 05, 2022, 04:30:15 PM
Back in November 2021, my electricty was £50 per month.
After a number of steady rises, SSE Airtricity are putting it up to over £150 per month.
Anyone else seen a similar rise?
Approximately and can fluctuate....
£80+/month has risen to £120+/month
Power NI.....keypad....
In fairness the washing machine....tumble dryer.....lights....TV....charging all gadgets......all get a good rattle
Charge gadgets at work
I like it...but...
4 tablets.....
Nintendo Switch....
2 phones.....
1 ipod.....
Whatever else!
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on November 05, 2022, 08:09:30 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 05, 2022, 04:30:15 PM
Back in November 2021, my electricty was £50 per month.
After a number of steady rises, SSE Airtricity are putting it up to over £150 per month.
Anyone else seen a similar rise?
Approximately and can fluctuate....
£80+/month has risen to £120+/month
Power NI.....keypad....
In fairness the washing machine....tumble dryer.....lights....TV....charging all gadgets......all get a good rattle
96 per month
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63403850
Again out nurses lagging well behind . Michelle O Neill didn't give 2 monkies when she had the chance and it's continued on since
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 06, 2022, 08:08:28 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63403850
Again out nurses lagging well behind . Michelle O Neill didn't give 2 monkies when she had the chance and it's continued on since
Looking for 5% above RPI? Good luck with that ::)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 06, 2022, 12:21:58 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 06, 2022, 08:08:28 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63403850
Again out nurses lagging well behind . Michelle O Neill didn't give 2 monkies when she had the chance and it's continued on since
Looking for 5% above RPI? Good luck with that ::)
Welllll ye gotta start from a high point to give yourself room to go down.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 06, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 06, 2022, 12:21:58 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 06, 2022, 08:08:28 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63403850
Again out nurses lagging well behind . Michelle O Neill didn't give 2 monkies when she had the chance and it's continued on since
Looking for 5% above RPI? Good luck with that ::)
Welllll ye gotta start from a high point to give yourself room to go down.
True. Could be a long way down.
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
If they are in a job with that extent of training and if they have to work nights, Xmas etc, then they need to ask for a pay rise.
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
You must be taking the piss and most don't work half as hard
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 06, 2022, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
You must be taking the piss and most don't work half as hard
How would you know that? Not all nurses work in A&E. Plenty of handy numbers too, same as private sector.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 06, 2022, 04:02:27 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 06, 2022, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
You must be taking the piss and most don't work half as hard
How would you know that? Not all nurses work in A&E. Plenty of handy numbers too, same as private sector.
And A and É is only place they work hard? Have you ever worked in the hospital ?
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
You mean working for agencies and getting paid way more.
Quote from: charlieTully on November 06, 2022, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
You mean working for agencies and getting paid way more.
Aye more power to them , but you have away less employment rights and pension accrual opportunities
The NHS pension is ridiculously good and far beyond anything m the private sector. Its why nurses are retiring at 60 with 6 figure payouts.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 06, 2022, 07:27:54 PM
The NHS pension is ridiculously good and far beyond anything m the private sector. Its why nurses are retiring at 60 with 6 figure payouts.
It's not what it was
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2022, 02:16:42 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
If they are in a job with that extent of training and if they have to work nights, Xmas etc, then they need to ask for a pay rise.
Plus holding a degree!!!
Gotta love the logic of the right wingers, "sure isn't someone else being paid peanuts as well!" seems to make it alright when nurses are on their uppers, using food banks, leaving the profession in droves all the while waiting lists are through the roof and life expectancy dropping.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:36:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2022, 02:16:42 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
If they are in a job with that extent of training and if they have to work nights, Xmas etc, then they need to ask for a pay rise.
Plus holding a degree!!!
Gotta love the logic of the right wingers, "sure isn't someone else being paid peanuts as well!" seems to make it alright when nurses are on their uppers, using food banks, leaving the profession in droves all the while waiting lists are through the roof and life expectancy dropping.
Leaving the profession to work for an agency doing the same job
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 06, 2022, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:36:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2022, 02:16:42 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
If they are in a job with that extent of training and if they have to work nights, Xmas etc, then they need to ask for a pay rise.
Plus holding a degree!!!
Gotta love the logic of the right wingers, "sure isn't someone else being paid peanuts as well!" seems to make it alright when nurses are on their uppers, using food banks, leaving the profession in droves all the while waiting lists are through the roof and life expectancy dropping.
Leaving the profession to work for an agency doing the same job
For more money and the agency coining it in...
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:36:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2022, 02:16:42 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
I'd say there's plenty working in the private sector who wouldn't get close to some nursing salaries
If they are in a job with that extent of training and if they have to work nights, Xmas etc, then they need to ask for a pay rise.
Plus holding a degree!!!
Gotta love the logic of the right wingers, "sure isn't someone else being paid peanuts as well!" seems to make it alright when nurses are on their uppers, using food banks, leaving the profession in droves all the while waiting lists are through the roof and life expectancy dropping.
Absolutely, a lot of nurses i know have to get agency work just to make ends meet. They are amongst our best people , front liners . And as you said it's 4 years at uni and long hard hours
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/06/17/u-s-only-days-away-until-an-absolute-explosion-on-inflation-says-pollster-frank-luntz.html
Rejoice. Tax hikes. Great news for all you people who wanted them.
It was always going to be a combination of tax hikes and spending cuts. There is no other way to cut a deficit.
Quote from: trailer on November 17, 2022, 12:38:18 PM
Rejoice. Tax hikes. Great news for all you people who wanted them.
Truss and Kwasi tried the opposite ;D :D
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2022, 12:44:35 PM
It was always going to be a combination of tax hikes and spending cuts. There is no other way to cut a deficit.
Oh yes there is. Economic growth
Economic growth?
Can't build the A5.
Can't build the Derry-Portadown rail line
Can't build the YSI
Can't build the 'circle line'
Can't build Casement
Can't build houses
That is just NI, the looking across the UK
Can't build HS2
Can't build onshore wind farms
Can't build Hinkley Point C
Can't build off shore wind farms
Can't build gas storage facilities
Can't build houses
Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2022, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2022, 12:44:35 PM
It was always going to be a combination of tax hikes and spending cuts. There is no other way to cut a deficit.
Oh yes there is. Economic growth
Which requires more spending and more debt?
Disclaimer. I'm not an economist so I'm half guessing here.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 17, 2022, 01:22:50 PM
Economic growth?
Can't build the A5.
Can't build the Derry-Portadown rail line
Can't build the YSI
Can't build the 'circle line'
Can't build Casement
Can't build houses
That is just NI, the looking across the UK
Can't build HS2
Can't build onshore wind farms
Can't build Hinkley Point C
Can't build off shore wind farms
Can't build gas storage facilities
Can't build houses
Completely agree. Whether in good times or bad. So it's all bullshit. And rising taxes is f**king ridiculous in a cost of living crisis. People will be even poorer yet poster on here were cheerleading this idea.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2022, 01:23:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2022, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2022, 12:44:35 PM
It was always going to be a combination of tax hikes and spending cuts. There is no other way to cut a deficit.
Oh yes there is. Economic growth
Which requires more spending and more debt?
Disclaimer. I'm not an economist so I'm half guessing here.
It would need investment and productivity growth, neither of which have a snowball's in the UK right now
Quote from: trailer on November 17, 2022, 12:38:18 PM
Rejoice. Tax hikes. Great news for all you people who wanted them.
Some sage advice I once heard dished out. Hopefully will help you deal with this turmoil.
"It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it."
"Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday."
"Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly."
Quote from: Franko on November 17, 2022, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 17, 2022, 12:38:18 PM
Rejoice. Tax hikes. Great news for all you people who wanted them.
Some sage advice I once heard dished out. Hopefully will help you deal with this turmoil.
"It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it."
"Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday."
"Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly."
Poor trailer never gonna live that one down
We're only a year from the same approach down south imho
Too much spending, too much reliance on corporate tax take from a few companies
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/10/20/paul-tudor-jones-inflation-is-the-number-one-issue-facing-investors.html
Unionism means loyalty to Brexit and loyalty to this :
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/18/brits-face-sharpest-fall-in-living-standards-on-record-as-government-tightens-its-belt.html
The OBR's weaker forecast for UK pay means that real wages are now not expected to return to their 2008 level until 2027. Had wages instead continued to grow at their pre-crisis rate during this unprecedented 19-year pay downturn, they would be £292 a week — or £15,000 a year — higher," the Resolution Foundation report said.
https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/most-households-will-struggle-to-pay-for-cut-back-christmas-as-inflation-knocks-3000-off-spending-power-42159399.html
RAMPANT inflation will knock as much as €3,000 from the average household's spending power this year, making for a leaner Christmas , according to research from credit unions.
The Credit Union Consumer Sentiment Index, published today, shows that 61pc of people will have less money to splash out this festive season and just 5pc reckon they will have more.
This marks a substantial deterioration compared with last year's results, according to economist Austin Hughes, who compiles the index.
It is even worse than in 2020, when Covid was affecting the income and outlays of many households.
While a third of consumers will raid their savings to help fund their Christmas spending, a fifth say they will either borrow or do not know how they will manage to find the cash to spend over the season.
These providers of Elec and Gas are taking us all for a very big ride.....
Wholesale Gas prices back down now to lower levels than this time last year, when will the end users bills be reduced?
https://www.catalyst-commercial.co.uk/wholesale-gas-prices/
Quote from: highorlow on November 22, 2022, 01:34:01 PM
These providers of Elec and Gas are taking us all for a very big ride.....
Wholesale Gas prices back down now to lower levels than this time last year, when will the end users bills be reduced?
https://www.catalyst-commercial.co.uk/wholesale-gas-prices/
There is a case that perhaps the increases have been over done, wholesale Irish electricity is cheaper than last October, I expect this partly because of loads of wind this year.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/1122/1337592-cso-wholesale-prices/
Can of Coke £1.30
500ml bottle of Coke £2.00
I know its not good for you but it was nice for now and again but that's the end of buying it anymore.
Quote from: Hereiam on November 23, 2022, 09:04:59 PM
Can of Coke £1.30
500ml bottle of Coke £2.00
I know its not good for you but it was nice for now and again but that's the end of buying it anymore.
I've notice wine is very much the same, and beer for that matter.. must be cheaper to produce and ship ::)
£3.50 for a half pint & £7 for a hot dog at Belfast Christmas market
Quote from: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 10:28:17 PM
£3.50 for a half pint & £7 for a hot dog at Belfast Christmas market
Sorry shoulda said at the Offy's
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 10:28:17 PM
£3.50 for a half pint & £7 for a hot dog at Belfast Christmas market
Sorry shoulda said at the Offy's
10 tins of Guinness for £10 at the minute with the club card. Have 60 tins in the garage.
Quote from: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 10:28:17 PM
£3.50 for a half pint & £7 for a hot dog at Belfast Christmas market
£7 for a hot dog?!
£1.95 for a 2 litre of milk. Swore it wasn't that long ago it was 4 litres for £2
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 23, 2022, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 10:28:17 PM
£3.50 for a half pint & £7 for a hot dog at Belfast Christmas market
£7 for a hot dog?!
Yeah, includes ketchup/mustard. Bargain.
Quote from: An Watcher on November 23, 2022, 10:39:30 PM
£1.95 for a 2 litre of milk. Swore it wasn't that long ago it was 4 litres for £2
Paid £2.35 for a 3L bottle this evening. Awkward fecker of a bottle though
Quote from: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 10:36:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 10:28:17 PM
£3.50 for a half pint & £7 for a hot dog at Belfast Christmas market
Sorry shoulda said at the Offy's
10 tins of Guinness for £10 at the minute with the club card. Have 60 tins in the garage.
Think Tesco is doing it's 25% off the wine tomorrow..
Quote from: An Watcher on November 23, 2022, 10:39:30 PM
£1.95 for a 2 litre of milk. Swore it wasn't that long ago it was 4 litres for £2
And Dale farm etc are for cutting the price the farmer gets..... doesn't make sense
So water charges, and increase in rates? Brits are at it again
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 24, 2022, 06:16:56 PM
So water charges, and increase in rates? Brits are at it again
Can you blame them ?
Inflation is 11% in the UK and 8% in the South. #Brexit
Heard a nurse on the news saying this morning he only started nursing this year but he's gonna quit due to the pay? Would you not know the pay when starting a job ? :-\
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 25, 2022, 01:52:04 PM
Heard a nurse on the news saying this morning he only started nursing this year but he's gonna quit due to the pay? Would you not know the pay when starting a job ? :-\
No
Would be interested to hear what big salary job he has lined up as an alternative. Sorry for generalising but I find the available labour market pretty flaky these days.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 24, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 24, 2022, 06:16:56 PM
So water charges, and increase in rates? Brits are at it again
Can you blame them ?
Yes I can.. Because maybe if they hadn't made a pigs arse of the economy by going through more PMs than hot dinners we wouldn't be half as bad, also brexit when NI voted against it.
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 24, 2022, 06:16:56 PM
So water charges, and increase in rates? Brits are at it again
They have no EU money to prop ye up anymore 😉
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 25, 2022, 01:52:04 PM
Heard a nurse on the news saying this morning he only started nursing this year but he's gonna quit due to the pay? Would you not know the pay when starting a job ? :-\
Yes, you would. I'm not a nurse and I know exactly what they get. It's in the public domain.
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 25, 2022, 01:52:04 PM
Heard a nurse on the news saying this morning he only started nursing this year but he's gonna quit due to the pay? Would you not know the pay when starting a job ? :-\
Maybe he did but the cost of everything going through the roof means a nurses salary isn't sustainable.
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 24, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 24, 2022, 06:16:56 PM
So water charges, and increase in rates? Brits are at it again
Can you blame them ?
Yes I can.. Because maybe if they hadn't made a pigs arse of the economy by going through more PMs than hot dinners we wouldn't be half as bad, also brexit when NI voted against it.
But its a threat to deal with the gobshites we have in Stormont. SF actuallt convincing people they could run a stand alone economy with no help from the brits -an economy that is much much bigger by the way
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63754537
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 25, 2022, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 25, 2022, 01:52:04 PM
Heard a nurse on the news saying this morning he only started nursing this year but he's gonna quit due to the pay? Would you not know the pay when starting a job ? :-\
Yes, you would. I'm not a nurse and I know exactly what they get. It's in the public domain.
What he didnt fully know but is how hard a job it is for the money
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 25, 2022, 02:55:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 25, 2022, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 25, 2022, 01:52:04 PM
Heard a nurse on the news saying this morning he only started nursing this year but he's gonna quit due to the pay? Would you not know the pay when starting a job ? :-\
Yes, you would. I'm not a nurse and I know exactly what they get. It's in the public domain.
What he didnt fully know but is how hard a job it is for the money
What job isn't hard? Bar civil service ;)
Seen a load the day £1:80, was £1.09 a year ago.
Received an email from my provider yesterday - the Electricity Price Guarantee (NI) is to be amended from 1st January (mine is up 6p a unit anyway). Sneaky hoors, wasn't meant to be altered to April.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 25, 2022, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 24, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 24, 2022, 06:16:56 PM
So water charges, and increase in rates? Brits are at it again
Can you blame them ?
Yes I can.. Because maybe if they hadn't made a pigs arse of the economy by going through more PMs than hot dinners we wouldn't be half as bad, also brexit when NI voted against it.
But its a threat to deal with the gobshites we have in Stormont. SF actuallt convincing people they could run a stand alone economy with no help from the brits -an economy that is much much bigger by the way
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63754537
Yeah. Nurses are striking al over the UK asa threat to the gobsghites in Stormont. And you had to shoehorn SF in too
The UK economy is over 5% smalller than it would have been without Brexit. The Shinners should dump neoliberalism. It's the republican thing to do
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 24, 2022, 10:14:28 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 25, 2022, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 24, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 24, 2022, 06:16:56 PM
So water charges, and increase in rates? Brits are at it again
Can you blame them ?
Yes I can.. Because maybe if they hadn't made a pigs arse of the economy by going through more PMs than hot dinners we wouldn't be half as bad, also brexit when NI voted against it.
But its a threat to deal with the gobshites we have in Stormont. SF actuallt convincing people they could run a stand alone economy with no help from the brits -an economy that is much much bigger by the way
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63754537
Yeah. Nurses are striking al over the UK asa threat to the gobsghites in Stormont. And you had to shoehorn SF in too
No they are not striking in Scotland, because the devolved government paid them.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/10/13/short-if-the-fed-waits-for-core-inflation-to-hit-2-percent-itll-drive-economy-into-depression-says-jeremy-siegel.html
If you're out and about the towns it's difficult to see where the cost of living crisis is. Shops, bars restaurants all packed out. Queues everywhere. Plenty of work and jobs. I think media might be making this out to be more than it actually is.
Quote from: trailer on December 28, 2022, 09:38:42 PM
If you're out and about the towns it's difficult to see where the cost of living crisis is. Shops, bars restaurants all packed out. Queues everywhere. Plenty of work and jobs. I think media might be making this out to be more than it actually is.
Ate out this evening, it was packed. People who hadnt booked a table were being turned away at the door. On a Wednesday.
What crisis?
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 28, 2022, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 28, 2022, 09:38:42 PM
If you're out and about the towns it's difficult to see where the cost of living crisis is. Shops, bars restaurants all packed out. Queues everywhere. Plenty of work and jobs. I think media might be making this out to be more than it actually is.
Ate out this evening, it was packed. People who hadnt booked a table were being turned away at the door. On a Wednesday.
What crisis?
Most people being fine does not preclude a lot of problems for other people.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 28, 2022, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 28, 2022, 09:38:42 PM
If you're out and about the towns it's difficult to see where the cost of living crisis is. Shops, bars restaurants all packed out. Queues everywhere. Plenty of work and jobs. I think media might be making this out to be more than it actually is.
Ate out this evening, it was packed. People who hadnt booked a table were being turned away at the door. On a Wednesday.
What crisis?
The crisis that occurs when their credit card bill arrives
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 28, 2022, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 28, 2022, 09:38:42 PM
If you're out and about the towns it's difficult to see where the cost of living crisis is. Shops, bars restaurants all packed out. Queues everywhere. Plenty of work and jobs. I think media might be making this out to be more than it actually is.
Ate out this evening, it was packed. People who hadnt booked a table were being turned away at the door. On a Wednesday.
What crisis?
Christmas is championship season for shops, pubs, and restaurants. The first proper championship for most people in 3 years.
How many of these punters will still be turning out once the McKenna Cup rolls around?
Quote from: trailer on December 28, 2022, 09:38:42 PM
If you're out and about the towns it's difficult to see where the cost of living crisis is. Shops, bars restaurants all packed out. Queues everywhere. Plenty of work and jobs. I think media might be making this out to be more than it actually is.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
I noticed restaurants booming last night too. The owner of one pizzeria said call in the morning to book a table for the evening. Everyone is on holidays. He also said next week would be very quiet.
I remember saying to the wife ages ago people will ignore reality and have a blast at Christmas and the shit will only really hit the fan in the new year. But, in reality for most people it will mean a tightening of the belts not the doom that the News and Twitter would have you believe.
I'd say restaurants & pubs are in for a very lean few months. The energy price guarantee is literally keeping lights on in the UK.
Ignorance is bliss as they say. Same back in 2008 when people living beyond their means were buying properties at ridiculous prices. There will be a hard few months in store for pubs, restaurants etc. Don't have any sympathy for them either as they were quick to jack up the prices at every opportunity
Remember 2008 very well, things started to wobble in Autumn / Winter 2007 in that I put a BTL on the market in September (price of the property had doubled in 5 years) that I thought would sell rather quickly but not a sniff on it. Start of 2008 Estates Agents, developers etc still talking things up however it was March / April 2008 that things started to go downhill and then into freefall. Had friends who started jobs in January / Feb 2008 and were getting P45s by Easter of that year.
I hope the same thing does not happen again but if people continue to lose confidence in things, particularly the housing market, hard not to see tough times ahead. While the energy cap / £600 credit might kick some cans down the road I thing the bigger problem is when people come off current mortgage deals. Not to many people have £400 - £600 spare at the end of the month to absorb this.
No holidays will be booked then? Rubbish, January will be typically tight with its '6' weeks!! Feb is a short month and people will be sorting out their family holidays..
You only have to look at the holiday thread here to see it at times.
If you have a job, and there's plenty about, and budget right, you'll be fine, I'm actually looking at doing a second job, just to keep me busy, kids are up and gone so rather sitting on the sofa might as well earn some extra money.
Fingers crossed MR2 I will be in a position to weather any storm coming down the tracks, working in a recession proof industry unlike in 08, kids half rared and on the home straight re my own mortgage. It is the younger people / those heavily leveraged re mortgages, car loans etc that could struggle. Re holiday for this year hopefully will get away somewhere with the kids, everybody to their own but I would prioritise this i.e. creating memories for the kids ahead of having a nice motor(s) sitting outside the house. Between the wife and I both our wagons are paid off and between them have almost 400k miles on the clock, if I can get both through MOT this year hope to keep them going for at least another 12 months.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2022, 11:02:05 AM
No holidays will be booked then? Rubbish, January will be typically tight with its '6' weeks!! Feb is a short month and people will be sorting out their family holidays..
You only have to look at the holiday thread here to see it at times.
If you have a job, and there's plenty about, and budget right, you'll be fine, I'm actually looking at doing a second job, just to keep me busy, kids are up and gone so rather sitting on the sofa might as well earn some extra money.
Sure its Boomers like you the young uns are giving off about, bought a house for peanuts in the 80s, no mortgages, kids gone. You're not the demographic expected to struggle MR2!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2022, 11:02:05 AM
, I'm actually looking at doing a second job, just to keep me busy, kids are up and gone so rather sitting on the sofa might as well earn some extra money.
Given up refereeing???
Quote from: Rossfan on December 29, 2022, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2022, 11:02:05 AM
, I'm actually looking at doing a second job, just to keep me busy, kids are up and gone so rather sitting on the sofa might as well earn some extra money.
Given up refereeing???
Defo not a second job, I suppose it pays for Xmas and holiday spending money!!
Quote from: bennydorano on December 29, 2022, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2022, 11:02:05 AM
No holidays will be booked then? Rubbish, January will be typically tight with its '6' weeks!! Feb is a short month and people will be sorting out their family holidays..
You only have to look at the holiday thread here to see it at times.
If you have a job, and there's plenty about, and budget right, you'll be fine, I'm actually looking at doing a second job, just to keep me busy, kids are up and gone so rather sitting on the sofa might as well earn some extra money.
Sure its Boomers like you the young uns are giving off about, bought a house for peanuts in the 80s, no mortgages, kids gone. You're not the demographic expected to struggle MR2!
I wish!! House wasn't bought till late 90's so mortgage won't be paid for while yet unfortunately, but currently paying for two kids away at college, their free ride will certainly ease things!
As you say kids will struggle going forward, but that's something they'll have to work out for themselves 8)
The issue will be with one's who bought houses within the last 5 years with mortgages now increasing.
Anyone get their £600 yet?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 10:34:41 PM
Anyone get their £600 yet?
You'd notice it with all your referee expenses landing into the account too.
Quote from: JimStynes on January 17, 2023, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 10:34:41 PM
Anyone get their £600 yet?
You'd notice it with all your referee expenses landing into the account too.
Those expenses go towards my counseling I need after hearing all the bleeding heart stories during a game!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66085232 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66085232)
We all just bend over and accept that we are getting screwed
Quote from: tyrone08 on December 29, 2022, 01:44:18 PM
The issue will be with one's who bought houses within the last 5 years with mortgages now increasing.
Rates haven't stopped rising either
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2023, 07:27:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on December 29, 2022, 01:44:18 PM
The issue will be with one's who bought houses within the last 5 years with mortgages now increasing.
Rates haven't stopped rising either
House up for sale around the corner from me, went up 2 or 3 weeks ago, drove past earlier, sold sign up, other friends just moved very recently and bidding war too, so its not stopping people buying these increases in mortgages
The last thing I expected to rise in cost was underwear. I was in Tesco the other day and 5 pairs of pants were £20 and it's not the ones with the buttons on the front too. It's the ones you've to pull right down when standing up.
Its all about the elasticity of the drawers. Poor elasticity and they always drop when you least expect it. I read about this in an economics text.
Whoever invented elasticity in clothes should be awarded the Nobel Prize for Science even if he or she is dead.
Slightly off-topic, but anyone here work closely with pensions? unsure whether to keep my old policy from previous employer, or take on the new one?
google telling me the former, but hopefully someone here knows better than I.
Quote from: 5times5times on July 10, 2023, 01:52:01 PM
Slightly off-topic, but anyone here work closely with pensions? unsure whether to keep my old policy from previous employer, or take on the new one?
google telling me the former, but hopefully someone here knows better than I.
All depends on the respective charging structures of the plans. You also need to check if there are any benefits inherent in the old plan that a new plan can't match.
How much on average are people here paying for electric?
Quote from: mackers on July 10, 2023, 02:11:57 PMQuote from: 5times5times on July 10, 2023, 01:52:01 PMSlightly off-topic, but anyone here work closely with pensions? unsure whether to keep my old policy from previous employer, or take on the new one?
google telling me the former, but hopefully someone here knows better than I.
All depends on the respective charging structures of the plans. You also need to check if there are any benefits inherent in the old plan that a new plan can't match.
Quote from: mackers on July 10, 2023, 02:11:57 PMQuote from: 5times5times on July 10, 2023, 01:52:01 PMSlightly off-topic, but anyone here work closely with pensions? unsure whether to keep my old policy from previous employer, or take on the new one?
google telling me the former, but hopefully someone here knows better than I.
All depends on the respective charging structures of the plans. You also need to check if there are any benefits inherent in the old plan that a new plan can't match.
It depends on what kind of plan the old one is versus the new. Pensions are either defined or depend on how much the contribution is. Are the 2 pension funds of the same type ?
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 17, 2023, 03:27:45 PMHow much on average are people here paying for electric?
Ours went up from £75 to £115 a month (I think she said)
despite using 8.3% less gas, my bill increased 70% in 2023.
despite using 5% less Electic, my bill increased 23% in 2023.
Living in the Midlands, in a 5 bed detached house, gas fires, BER B, 18 year old house. I am spending way too much...
My electric bill will be feck all, since the Freestate government is giving 3 subsidies of €150. But even the gas is cheaper than last year.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 17, 2023, 03:27:45 PMHow much on average are people here paying for electric?
DD is £94 p/m. Last bill end of September was £246 (826 units). House is 4 bed detached and we don't have any electric showers and rarely use the dishwasher or tumble dryer.
Inflation seems to be on the way down but prices won't be going back to where they were pre inflation.
Came home today to find the heat on and fire lit.
It was 12 degrees outside.
Our house is not cold.
Put on a warmer jumper I said
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2023, 04:59:51 PMInflation seems to be on the way down but prices won't be going back to where they were pre inflation.
to go back there, that would be Deflation.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2023, 11:27:35 PMCame home today to find the heat on and fire lit.
It was 12 degrees outside.
Our house is not cold.
Put on a warmer jumper I said
Greta Thunberg's head has just exploded
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2023, 11:27:35 PMCame home today to find the heat on and fire lit.
It was 12 degrees outside.
Our house is not cold.
Put on a warmer jumper I said
Most Women don't understand that concept. ;D
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2023, 11:27:35 PMCame home today to find the heat on and fire lit.
It was 12 degrees outside.
Our house is not cold.
Put on a warmer jumper I said
Was the immersion on too?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2023, 11:27:35 PMCame home today to find the heat on and fire lit.
It was 12 degrees outside.
Our house is not cold.
Put on a warmer jumper I said
I can trump that....my wife had the heat on, the fire lit and the windows wide open for fresh air.
:o
Quote from: tbrick18 on December 19, 2023, 08:41:02 AMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2023, 11:27:35 PMCame home today to find the heat on and fire lit.
It was 12 degrees outside.
Our house is not cold.
Put on a warmer jumper I said
I can trump that....my wife had the heat on, the fire lit and the windows wide open for fresh air.
:o
>:( She must be fiddling the electric
Are all women cat for it?
Herself loves nothing more than leaving every possible light and electronic device on as much as possible. Heat on, electric blanket on, hot water on, outside lights on, Christmas tree lights on, tv on. Few token windows left open.
I can sympathise, source of 60% of our disagreements in Autumn/Winter. Another head melter (to me anyway) is radiators totally covered in the living room while sitting there and nothing on the ones in other rooms with no one in them.
I am the electric/heating police in our house
Quote from: tbrick18 on December 19, 2023, 08:41:02 AMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2023, 11:27:35 PMCame home today to find the heat on and fire lit.
It was 12 degrees outside.
Our house is not cold.
Put on a warmer jumper I said
I can trump that....my wife had the heat on, the fire lit and the windows wide open for fresh air.
:o
Women Really are a different species . Can I still say that nowadays? Ah well, I've said it now :D
I wouldn't be arsed too much to be fair, there is a small saving here and there, though I'd rather have the heat on and sitting with a t-shirt on than wearing a jumper..
She's a teacher so likes to 'save' money, so she'll ensure there's not much being lost with regards to energy
Inflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
Quote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
Aye, they have settled for Benidorm rather than the Algarve
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 12:16:28 PMI wouldn't be arsed too much to be fair, there is a small saving here and there, though I'd rather have the heat on and sitting with a t-shirt on than wearing a jumper..
She's a teacher so likes to 'save' money, so she'll ensure there's not much being lost with regards to energy
To be fair, I dont mind the heat being on. Its one of the things I won't skimp on. You have to be comfortable in your own home first and foremost.
Quote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.
Quote from: marty34 on December 19, 2023, 06:43:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.
People are always going to struggle with childcare costs. Child care means paying someone else to look after your children, the only way that would not be expensive was if that person was poorly paid compared to you. If the economy improves then you might get more, but presumably the child care person gets more too, so it will always be expensive.
The basics are expensive. Childcare is just one part. Bread and Milk have also increased in price. UK inflation is still higher than elsewhere. I feel sorry for Unionists. The UK is really in trouble. The Catholic countries are better managed.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2023, 11:05:06 PMQuote from: marty34 on December 19, 2023, 06:43:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.
People are always going to struggle with childcare costs. Child care means paying someone else to look after your children, the only way that would not be expensive was if that person was poorly paid compared to you. If the economy improves then you might get more, but presumably the child care person gets more too, so it will always be expensive.
The part in bold is total nonsense
The vast majority of Europeans don't struggle with childcare
The fact the those in UK & Ireland struggle is a conscious choice by gov't
Childcare adds zero value to the economy
This is exactly an area they should be subsidising if they want to get UK productivity up
Quote from: Franko on December 20, 2023, 08:44:53 AMQuote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2023, 11:05:06 PMQuote from: marty34 on December 19, 2023, 06:43:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.
People are always going to struggle with childcare costs. Child care means paying someone else to look after your children, the only way that would not be expensive was if that person was poorly paid compared to you. If the economy improves then you might get more, but presumably the child care person gets more too, so it will always be expensive.
The part in bold is total nonsense
The vast majority of Europeans don't struggle with childcare
The fact the those in UK & Ireland struggle is a conscious choice by gov't
Childcare adds zero value to the economy
This is exactly an area they should be subsidising if they want to get UK productivity up
Its subsidised in GB. I think up to 30 hours for 3 and 4 year olds. Not in NI.
As long as we continue to vote for parties based on the constitutional question and not on everyday issues we will have families and people in general struggling.
Quote from: Franko on December 20, 2023, 08:44:53 AMQuote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2023, 11:05:06 PMQuote from: marty34 on December 19, 2023, 06:43:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.
People are always going to struggle with childcare costs. Child care means paying someone else to look after your children, the only way that would not be expensive was if that person was poorly paid compared to you. If the economy improves then you might get more, but presumably the child care person gets more too, so it will always be expensive.
The part in bold is total nonsense
The vast majority of Europeans don't struggle with childcare
The fact the those in UK & Ireland struggle is a conscious choice by gov't
Childcare adds zero value to the economy
This is exactly an area they should be subsidising if they want to get UK productivity up
In an ideal world one salary would be enough for a good lifestyle rather than strangers having to raise your kids
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2023, 09:23:45 AMQuote from: Franko on December 20, 2023, 08:44:53 AMQuote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2023, 11:05:06 PMQuote from: marty34 on December 19, 2023, 06:43:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.
People are always going to struggle with childcare costs. Child care means paying someone else to look after your children, the only way that would not be expensive was if that person was poorly paid compared to you. If the economy improves then you might get more, but presumably the child care person gets more too, so it will always be expensive.
The part in bold is total nonsense
The vast majority of Europeans don't struggle with childcare
The fact the those in UK & Ireland struggle is a conscious choice by gov't
Childcare adds zero value to the economy
This is exactly an area they should be subsidising if they want to get UK productivity up
Its subsidised in GB. I think up to 30 hours for 3 and 4 year olds. Not in NI.
As long as we continue to vote for parties based on the constitutional question and not on everyday issues we will have families and people in general struggling.
The DUP go on about ni treated differently to Britain with Brexit. But , there are plenty of everyday issues that ni don't get. The childcare subsidies being one.
Apparently NI folk don't get dental/optician free on UI like in britain and
Nurses aren't paid the same
Doctors are paid a good bit different too. There are quite a lot of differences but it's just a card that's used when the DUP don't want something.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2023, 09:47:57 AMQuote from: Franko on December 20, 2023, 08:44:53 AMQuote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2023, 11:05:06 PMQuote from: marty34 on December 19, 2023, 06:43:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.
People are always going to struggle with childcare costs. Child care means paying someone else to look after your children, the only way that would not be expensive was if that person was poorly paid compared to you. If the economy improves then you might get more, but presumably the child care person gets more too, so it will always be expensive.
The part in bold is total nonsense
The vast majority of Europeans don't struggle with childcare
The fact the those in UK & Ireland struggle is a conscious choice by gov't
Childcare adds zero value to the economy
This is exactly an area they should be subsidising if they want to get UK productivity up
In an ideal world one salary would be enough for a good lifestyle rather than strangers having to raise your kids
Families don't want to give up having two cars, foreign holidays, the big houses, the branded clothes, eating out, the unnecessary gadgets, the Netflix!Disney/Sky/Prime the top speed broadband and the latest IPhones
I was lucky enough with the wife being a teacher and when the kids were young (up to p7) she was on a 3 day week and I managed to do shifts which allowed me a day here and there to accommodate.
There's a definite change in people's needs, or what we think we need.
Childcare is expensive because there's a demand for it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2023, 10:42:17 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2023, 09:47:57 AMQuote from: Franko on December 20, 2023, 08:44:53 AMQuote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2023, 11:05:06 PMQuote from: marty34 on December 19, 2023, 06:43:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PMInflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.
I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.
People are always going to struggle with childcare costs. Child care means paying someone else to look after your children, the only way that would not be expensive was if that person was poorly paid compared to you. If the economy improves then you might get more, but presumably the child care person gets more too, so it will always be expensive.
The part in bold is total nonsense
The vast majority of Europeans don't struggle with childcare
The fact the those in UK & Ireland struggle is a conscious choice by gov't
Childcare adds zero value to the economy
This is exactly an area they should be subsidising if they want to get UK productivity up
In an ideal world one salary would be enough for a good lifestyle rather than strangers having to raise your kids
Families don't want to give up having two cars, foreign holidays, the big houses, the branded clothes, eating out, the unnecessary gadgets, the Netflix!Disney/Sky/Prime the top speed broadband and the latest IPhones
I was lucky enough with the wife being a teacher and when the kids were young (up to p7) she was on a 3 day week and I managed to do shifts which allowed me a day here and there to accommodate.
There's a definite change in people's needs, or what we think we need.
Childcare is expensive because there's a demand for it
It's painful to give up things you once could afford but through no fault of your own you now cannot afford.
I get the point you're making.
In my opinion though, for most people living outside of a city, 2 cars is a must because there is no other way to travel or get to work. I agree on the phones etc....the number of people I see running about with the latest 1K Iphone or Samsung is ridiculous. Its the brand snobbery, not the actual need.
My wife is a teacher too and yeah it def helps with childcare but it is still costly. We eventually got someone to come into the house to do school runs and the like and it actually worked out cheaper than a creche and much more convenient.
But all that aside, the cost of every day essentials have risen so much that even the people who have really cut back are still really struggling.
In my own circumstances, I had to move jobs to get an increase in salary that would cover the increase in bills (such as mortgage deal coming to an end). If I hadn't been able to do that, we'd have been in difficulties too. And believe me when I say we don't live a lavish lifestyle.
My eldest is now 18 and we've only ever once had a foreign family holiday.
No flash cars, no flash phones or branded clothing...I'd say we live within our means and always have done.
There were plenty of people already struggling before this cost of living crisis, but now many more better off people are too and in many cases no amount of reducing streaming services, for example, saves enough to alleviate that. People need to earn more or pay less out just to survive, not to thrive.
While there are people struggling, in general wages have kept pace with inflation, and in the ROI the government has indexed tax bands etc. Most people are about the same and do not have a crisis, which seems to showing up the shops.
In Ireland, people have not lost the run of themselves they way they did in 2007.
You read of queues for food vouchers etc, I would be interested in the stories behind these; e.g. excessive rent might be squeezing the food budget.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2023, 12:06:41 PMWhile there are people struggling, in general wages have kept pace with inflation, and in the ROI the government has indexed tax bands etc. Most people are about the same and do not have a crisis, which seems to showing up the shops.
In Ireland, people have not lost the run of themselves they way they did in 2007.
You read of queues for food vouchers etc, I would be interested in the stories behind these; e.g. excessive rent might be squeezing the food budget.
Not up north they haven't or even close. Are you just talking about the south here because in the north or the remainder of the UK that is very very far from the truth particularly for public sector workers.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2023, 12:06:41 PMWhile there are people struggling, in general wages have kept pace with inflation, and in the ROI the government has indexed tax bands etc. Most people are about the same and do not have a crisis, which seems to showing up the shops.
In Ireland, people have not lost the run of themselves they way they did in 2007.
You read of queues for food vouchers etc, I would be interested in the stories behind these; e.g. excessive rent might be squeezing the food budget.
Surprising how easily it could happen - our mortgage fixed rate came to an end a year ago and went from £700 to £1200, childcare bill shortly after went up due to increased staff, heating & electricity cost from £780 to £1100 a month - so there's £820 a month extra we are paying on those two items. Factor in home electricity, gas, food & fuel increases and I can understand how people who were relatively comfortable are suddenly having trouble paying bills and buying food.
Edit - my salary hasn't increase by £820 a month in the same period!
Our parents generally only needed one salary/wage to rear a family.The old deal say 15 years ago especially for workers was you won't get a payrise but you can shop in Lidl/Aldi and interest rates will be low for the mortgage and you can buy your clothes in Penneys and it will still look ok. But even Lidl and Aldi prices have been inflated. Now you need 2 incomes because the cost of housing is far higher. And now interest rates are higher than 3 years ago so it is not just that houses are more expensve but the cost of servicing them is too. Wages have not kept up with inflation in the vast majority of cases.
Most people are passive and just take it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJ5ZEn67tk
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 20, 2023, 12:11:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2023, 12:06:41 PMWhile there are people struggling, in general wages have kept pace with inflation, and in the ROI the government has indexed tax bands etc. Most people are about the same and do not have a crisis, which seems to showing up the shops.
In Ireland, people have not lost the run of themselves they way they did in 2007.
You read of queues for food vouchers etc, I would be interested in the stories behind these; e.g. excessive rent might be squeezing the food budget.
Not up north they haven't or even close. Are you just talking about the south here because in the north or the remainder of the UK that is very very far from the truth particularly for public sector workers.
Clearly public sector workers are screwed, but someone is getting increases, many in the private sector are doing OK.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/pay-up-75-in-northern-ireland-to-2100-a-month-report/a256063943.html
Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2023, 03:11:38 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 20, 2023, 12:11:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2023, 12:06:41 PMWhile there are people struggling, in general wages have kept pace with inflation, and in the ROI the government has indexed tax bands etc. Most people are about the same and do not have a crisis, which seems to showing up the shops.
In Ireland, people have not lost the run of themselves they way they did in 2007.
You read of queues for food vouchers etc, I would be interested in the stories behind these; e.g. excessive rent might be squeezing the food budget.
Not up north they haven't or even close. Are you just talking about the south here because in the north or the remainder of the UK that is very very far from the truth particularly for public sector workers.
Clearly public sector workers are screwed, but someone is getting increases, many in the private sector are doing OK.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/pay-up-75-in-northern-ireland-to-2100-a-month-report/a256063943.html
Not sure I'd use that term given inflation was around 11% the year prior. So not only was there a delay in wage rise but they haven't even kept pace with inflation.
Yeah and when you factor in mortgage rises etc then I don't think wages have kept pace at all.
Interest rate rises have reduced the size of places people can buy by 25%. Rents have exploded as a result.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2023, 03:11:38 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 20, 2023, 12:11:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2023, 12:06:41 PMWhile there are people struggling, in general wages have kept pace with inflation, and in the ROI the government has indexed tax bands etc. Most people are about the same and do not have a crisis, which seems to showing up the shops.
In Ireland, people have not lost the run of themselves they way they did in 2007.
You read of queues for food vouchers etc, I would be interested in the stories behind these; e.g. excessive rent might be squeezing the food budget.
Not up north they haven't or even close. Are you just talking about the south here because in the north or the remainder of the UK that is very very far from the truth particularly for public sector workers.
Clearly public sector workers are screwed, but someone is getting increases, many in the private sector are doing OK.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/pay-up-75-in-northern-ireland-to-2100-a-month-report/a256063943.html
Is that take home pay they are referring to when it is taking about monthly pay and comes from PAYE data?
Police and teachers are baling out all over Europe because of salaries and stress. Some public sector workers in countries like France are turning to the far right.
Quote from: seafoid on December 20, 2023, 01:15:29 PMOur parents generally only needed one salary/wage to rear a family.The old deal say 15 years ago especially for workers was you won't get a payrise but you can shop in Lidl/Aldi and interest rates will be low for the mortgage and you can buy your clothes in Penneys and it will still look ok. But even Lidl and Aldi prices have been inflated. Now you need 2 incomes because the cost of housing is far higher. And now interest rates are higher than 3 years ago so it is not just that houses are more expensve but the cost of servicing them is too. Wages have not kept up with inflation in the vast majority of cases.
Most people are passive and just take it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJ5ZEn67tk
People buy too much stuff on credit - too much money flowing out of account every month
Car
Electronics
Furniture
Holidays
Nobody saves for anything anymore.
Quote from: general_lee on December 19, 2023, 10:57:11 AMAre all women cat for it?
Herself loves nothing more than leaving every possible light and electronic device on as much as possible. Heat on, electric blanket on, hot water on, outside lights on, Christmas tree lights on, tv on. Few token windows left open.
Yes. It vexes me as herself only works part time and I make sure to turn everything off before bed or leaving the house.
Women at work have thermostat turned up to the max - place is like a sauna
Too much heat is not good for comfort or staying alert
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/1225/1423197-inflation-dictates-consumers-adapt-amid-rising-prices/
The rate of general price increases slowed down, but that however, is not the same as prices dropping back and living in Ireland is more expensive at the end of the year than it was at the beginning
The rate of general price increases slowed down, but that however, is not the same as prices dropping back and living in Ireland is more expensive at the end of the year than it was at the beginning
For mortgage holders whose lenders passed on the interest increases however, it all brought financial pain.
Monthly payments rose steeply for many adding thousands per year to the cost of their mortgages
Significant increases in mortgage payments, coupled with the cost of living increases has forced many individuals and families to make very difficult decisions," said Michelle O'Hara of MABS.
"Three quarters of south Leinster MABS clients have reduced electricity use, home heating use, non-essential spending and grocery spend in order to afford their mortgage," she added.
Just curious what people's winter gas costs are? I just got a bill from SSE for £680 for Nov and Dec.
Inflation is up again in the 26 counties- from 2.6% to 3.5%
Quote from: seafoid on January 05, 2024, 03:01:57 PMInflation is up again in the 26 counties- from 2.6% to 3.5%
I am surprised it is not higher when you see things like this.
https://businessplus.ie/news/couple-house-earn/
Glad I don't live in Dublin.
Some forecasters expect UK Inflation to hit 2% by the middle of this year, where previously they thought mid-2025.
I'd imagine that is heavily dependent on what's going on in around the Suez canal now tho. I fully expect the Houthis are going to get a few drone visits in the coming nights.
Oil prices are remaining steady anyway (atm)
Quote from: LC on January 05, 2024, 03:27:20 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 05, 2024, 03:01:57 PMInflation is up again in the 26 counties- from 2.6% to 3.5%
I am surprised it is not higher when you see things like this.
https://businessplus.ie/news/couple-house-earn/
Glad I don't live in Dublin.
Very true.
At approximately £500, 000 for a house in Dublin, that's £50, 000 for a 10% deposit.
£50k deposit.
In all seriousness, how can people save £50, 000?
That's some saving for 2 people, no matter where they live or what jobs they have...in my opinion anyway.
Quote from: marty34 on January 05, 2024, 04:20:27 PMQuote from: LC on January 05, 2024, 03:27:20 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 05, 2024, 03:01:57 PMInflation is up again in the 26 counties- from 2.6% to 3.5%
I am surprised it is not higher when you see things like this.
https://businessplus.ie/news/couple-house-earn/
Glad I don't live in Dublin.
Very true.
At approximately £500, 000 for a house in Dublin, that's £50, 000 for a 10% deposit.
£50k deposit.
In all seriousness, how can people save £50, 000?
That's some saving for 2 people, no matter where they live or what jobs they have...in my opinion anyway.
€50,000 is €10,000 for 5 years, so €200 week. Plenty of people are spending €30/week on lattes, have a €20/ week phone contract which could be done for half that, have Sky Sports and Netflix subscriptions and ridiculous car loans. OK it might require a good look at outgoings, but our parents and grandparents had to do that too when they bought a house.
Given the thread is called cost of living you can hardly expect people to forgoe the basic enjoyments in living a life for the basic right to own a home.
I get your point to a degree, people do have silly outgoings, but going for a coffee or watching Netflix shouldn't need to be sacrificed to save for a deposit. When your having to get that granular, something is fundamentally wrong.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 05, 2024, 05:32:37 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 05, 2024, 04:20:27 PMQuote from: LC on January 05, 2024, 03:27:20 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 05, 2024, 03:01:57 PMInflation is up again in the 26 counties- from 2.6% to 3.5%
I am surprised it is not higher when you see things like this.
https://businessplus.ie/news/couple-house-earn/
Glad I don't live in Dublin.
Very true.
At approximately £500, 000 for a house in Dublin, that's £50, 000 for a 10% deposit.
£50k deposit.
In all seriousness, how can people save £50, 000?
That's some saving for 2 people, no matter where they live or what jobs they have...in my opinion anyway.
€50,000 is €10,000 for 5 years, so €200 week. Plenty of people are spending €30/week on lattes, have a €20/ week phone contract which could be done for half that, have Sky Sports and Netflix subscriptions and ridiculous car loans. OK it might require a good look at outgoings, but our parents and grandparents had to do that too when they bought a house.
Except
1. Those of our parents and grandparents who scrimped and stretched and saved didn't do it so we would have to do the same.
2. Plenty of our grandparents and parents drank and gambled every penny that came their way, and could do so in the knowledge they'd still have a roof over their heads.
3. if our grandparents and parents hadn't turned housing into a commodity, this conversation wouldn't be needed.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 05, 2024, 06:19:53 PM1. Those of our parents and grandparents who scrimped and stretched and saved didn't do it so we would have to do the same.
They all ensured that we would get "good" jobs and not have to be builders. But if everyone has a "good" job and there are few builders then it simply bids up the price of houses.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 05, 2024, 06:19:53 PM2. Plenty of our grandparents and parents drank and gambled every penny that came their way, and could do so in the knowledge they'd still have a roof over their heads.
There is more than a few snorting powder today in the knowledge that they'll end with the Granny's house.
And what about point 3?
I'm a comfortable homeowner in my mid 30s but fully conscious how difficult so many of my age and those younger have it.
Can't f**king stand the "drink less coffee" brigade.
Quote from: gallsman on January 05, 2024, 11:42:38 PMAnd what about point 3?
I'm a comfortable homeowner in my mid 30s but fully conscious how difficult so many of my age and those younger have it.
Can't f**king stand the "drink less coffee" brigade.
In what way did our parents and grandparents turn houses into a commodity, most of them just lived in a house?
It is hard, the only solution is to have more builders.
Inflation has pivoted and started going up again.
There is a risk of a house price crash if rates stay where they are at or even rise further.
I don't think Irish houses prices will crash. There is money about, income tax receipts were up 7% last year. Most likely inflation will be 3% and perhaps house prices will decline by 3% so they will have become slightly more affordable but without anything resembling a crash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537)
1 in 5 not working or seeking work. Mad.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 12, 2024, 08:06:22 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537)
1 in 5 not working or seeking work. Mad.
Working age. I don't see it accounting for students from ages 16 to 24 or early retirement for late 50s.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 12, 2024, 08:11:52 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 12, 2024, 08:06:22 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537)
1 in 5 not working or seeking work. Mad.
Working age. I don't see it accounting for students from ages 16 to 24 or early retirement for late 50s.
Don't know all the ins and outs of this but there is no shortage of work. While inflation is / was high it will disappear when wages catch up which they nearly have now and energy prices come down as that is exclusively the issue.
Other recessions had millions unemployed. Not the case. It's boom time for the next 5 years. Fill yer boots. Stocks, shares, investments, new ventures. Get in now.
Quote from: trailer on March 12, 2024, 09:03:47 AMQuote from: snoopdog on March 12, 2024, 08:11:52 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 12, 2024, 08:06:22 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537)
1 in 5 not working or seeking work. Mad.
Working age. I don't see it accounting for students from ages 16 to 24 or early retirement for late 50s.
Don't know all the ins and outs of this but there is no shortage of work. While inflation is / was high it will disappear when wages catch up which they nearly have now and energy prices come down as that is exclusively the issue.
Other recessions had millions unemployed. Not the case. It's boom time for the next 5 years. Fill yer boots. Stocks, shares, investments, new ventures. Get in now.
I got a letter through the door yesterday, 22.8% decrease in gas from 1st April.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 12, 2024, 08:11:52 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 12, 2024, 08:06:22 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537)
1 in 5 not working or seeking work. Mad.
Working age. I don't see it accounting for students from ages 16 to 24 or early retirement for late 50s.
QuoteBut other groups placed in the bracket - defined differently to unemployment - by the ONS include students, people who look after family or a home, people with disabilities, and early retired and discouraged workers. More women tend to be classed as economically inactive compared to men.
It looks like they're all included which is pointless.
Quote from: trailer on March 12, 2024, 09:03:47 AMQuote from: snoopdog on March 12, 2024, 08:11:52 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 12, 2024, 08:06:22 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537)
1 in 5 not working or seeking work. Mad.
Working age. I don't see it accounting for students from ages 16 to 24 or early retirement for late 50s.
Don't know all the ins and outs of this but there is no shortage of work. While inflation is / was high it will disappear when wages catch up which they nearly have now and energy prices come down as that is exclusively the issue.
Other recessions had millions unemployed. Not the case. It's boom time for the next 5 years. Fill yer boots. Stocks, shares, investments, new ventures. Get in now.
We are in a wage price spiral. Wages go up and prices go up.
This happened in the late 1970s and was fixed with a massive recession.
It will happen again
Quote from: snoopdog on March 12, 2024, 08:11:52 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 12, 2024, 08:06:22 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537)
1 in 5 not working or seeking work. Mad.
Working age. I don't see it accounting for students from ages 16 to 24 or early retirement for late 50s.
Students and retirees make up about 40% of the figure. 50% is ill-health and carers.
In the north it's over 1 in 4 not looking work, with 60% of that due to ill-health or caring responsibilities. In other words, about 1 in 6 working age people out of action directly/ indirectly due to ill-health. Huge obstacle to ever making this place pay it's own way.
There are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
The rules of inflation are medieval
https://www.ft.com/content/b3ce49d0-1718-4edc-a100-012efdb068f8
The more wage earners seek to restore their purchasing power in an economy hit by inflation losses, the higher will be inflation and the more merciless the needed monetary squeeze
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 12, 2024, 12:32:21 PMQuote from: snoopdog on March 12, 2024, 08:11:52 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 12, 2024, 08:06:22 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537)
1 in 5 not working or seeking work. Mad.
Working age. I don't see it accounting for students from ages 16 to 24 or early retirement for late 50s.
Students and retirees make up about 40% of the figure. 50% is ill-health and carers.
In the north it's over 1 in 4 not looking work, with 60% of that due to ill-health or caring responsibilities. In other words, about 1 in 6 working age people out of action directly/ indirectly due to ill-health. Huge obstacle to ever making this place pay it's own way.
The rate is probably greater in the 'working class areas'. Such people take pride in their working class background only thing is they don't actually want to work.
The threshold for not working due to ill-health isn't set too high either.
https://www.standard.co.uk/business/inflation-in-the-uk-will-be-too-low-for-the-next-three-years-top-economists-say-b1147509.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/business/inflation-in-the-uk-will-be-too-low-for-the-next-three-years-top-economists-say-b1147509.html)
Has there been a reliable economic prediction in the last 5 years tho. The world is a different place, the certainties/constants that predictions require are gone.
Quote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
Quote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:41:23 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
is it really?
Quote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
where are all these jobs at?
Quote from: clarshack on March 28, 2024, 02:28:12 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
where are all these jobs at?
Milking cows at all hours for minimum wage.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:41:23 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
Have 'they' taken your job or your house or a house from anyone you know ? Genuine question
Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2024, 12:18:15 PM
That's exactly what I was thinking of , when I read the above post ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:11:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:41:23 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
Have 'they' taken your job or your house or a house from anyone you know ? Genuine question
It is simple logic that if you allow in more immigrants than you build houses then you somebody is going to have problems getting a house. I'm quite comfortable and am not one of those people. In general, this debate seems to be unable to distinguish between the aggregate effect and situations of individuals.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2024, 12:47:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:11:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:41:23 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
Have 'they' taken your job or your house or a house from anyone you know ? Genuine question
It is simple logic that if you allow in more immigrants than you build houses then you somebody is going to have problems getting a house. I'm quite comfortable and am not one of those people. In general, this debate seems to be unable to distinguish between the aggregate effect and situations of individuals.
So you're worried for others (us Irish with the great bloodline that will hopefully never get diluted by the bad foreigner's bloodline).. Helping out other folk who need our help isn't the issue, they are not your enemy. Why not worry and look out for those less fortunate than us?
The real enemy here looks very like you and me, not the unfortunate on the boats, not trans etc...
Quote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:58:44 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2024, 12:47:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:11:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:41:23 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
Have 'they' taken your job or your house or a house from anyone you know ? Genuine question
It is simple logic that if you allow in more immigrants than you build houses then you somebody is going to have problems getting a house. I'm quite comfortable and am not one of those people. In general, this debate seems to be unable to distinguish between the aggregate effect and situations of individuals.
So you're worried for others (us Irish with the great bloodline that will hopefully never get diluted by the bad foreigner's bloodline).. Helping out other folk who need our help isn't the issue, they are not your enemy. Why not worry and look out for those less fortunate than us?
The real enemy here looks very like you and me, not the unfortunate on the boats, not trans etc...
JOG2 I have a lot of respect for you and clicking on this page I looked at the colour coded quotes and I thought it was you that was being racist and I was disappointed....
But looking back I see it was you that was not and you were being what I always thought about you....
And my faith in you restored!!!
A fish supper yesterday cost me £12.20. This is ridiculous. Costs nothing to catch a fish apart from the rod.
Quote from: Olly on March 29, 2024, 02:47:12 PMA fish supper yesterday cost me £12.20. This is ridiculous. Costs nothing to catch a fish apart from the rod.
They are expensive tbf
Quote from: theticklemister on March 29, 2024, 02:09:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:58:44 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2024, 12:47:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:11:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:41:23 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
Have 'they' taken your job or your house or a house from anyone you know ? Genuine question
It is simple logic that if you allow in more immigrants than you build houses then you somebody is going to have problems getting a house. I'm quite comfortable and am not one of those people. In general, this debate seems to be unable to distinguish between the aggregate effect and situations of individuals.
So you're worried for others (us Irish with the great bloodline that will hopefully never get diluted by the bad foreigner's bloodline).. Helping out other folk who need our help isn't the issue, they are not your enemy. Why not worry and look out for those less fortunate than us?
The real enemy here looks very like you and me, not the unfortunate on the boats, not trans etc...
JOG2 I have a lot of respect for you and clicking on this page I looked at the colour coded quotes and I thought it was you that was being racist and I was disappointed....
But looking back I see it was you that was not and you were being what I always thought about you....
And my faith in you restored!!!
Jesus lolol, I'm a man of the people Tickle ;D
Quote from: Olly on March 29, 2024, 02:47:12 PMA fish supper yesterday cost me £12.20. This is ridiculous. Costs nothing to catch a fish apart from the rod.
How very Shakespearean of you Olly
Aye a fish supper is dear as f**k
Quote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:58:44 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2024, 12:47:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:11:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:41:23 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
Have 'they' taken your job or your house or a house from anyone you know ? Genuine question
It is simple logic that if you allow in more immigrants than you build houses then you somebody is going to have problems getting a house. I'm quite comfortable and am not one of those people. In general, this debate seems to be unable to distinguish between the aggregate effect and situations of individuals.
So you're worried for others (us Irish with the great bloodline that will hopefully never get diluted by the bad foreigner's bloodline).. Helping out other folk who need our help isn't the issue, they are not your enemy. Why not worry and look out for those less fortunate than us?
The real enemy here looks very like you and me, not the unfortunate on the boats, not trans etc...
I am not in the least worried about the bloodline, and nothing that I said indicated that I was, so you are making it up. I also did not say that we should not help the less fortunate. The people who come here are not the most deserving, the most deserving are stuck in some camp and do not have tens of thousands of Euro to pay people smugglers, those who cannot come are those that we should help, not the chancers who lie their way across the world.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2024, 04:15:54 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:58:44 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2024, 12:47:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 29, 2024, 12:11:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:41:23 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2024, 01:48:36 PMThere are no shortages of jobs going at the minute. At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.
they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem
Have 'they' taken your job or your house or a house from anyone you know ? Genuine question
It is simple logic that if you allow in more immigrants than you build houses then you somebody is going to have problems getting a house. I'm quite comfortable and am not one of those people. In general, this debate seems to be unable to distinguish between the aggregate effect and situations of individuals.
So you're worried for others (us Irish with the great bloodline that will hopefully never get diluted by the bad foreigner's bloodline).. Helping out other folk who need our help isn't the issue, they are not your enemy. Why not worry and look out for those less fortunate than us?
The real enemy here looks very like you and me, not the unfortunate on the boats, not trans etc...
I am not in the least worried about the bloodline, and nothing that I said indicated that I was, so you are making it up. I also did not say that we should not help the less fortunate. The people who come here are not the most deserving, the most deserving are stuck in some camp and do not have tens of thousands of Euro to pay people smugglers, those who cannot come are those that we should help, not the chancers who lie their way across the world.
An Easter message to warm the heart
The sheer humanity of it
From the boards chief Catholic Church spokesperson
On Good Friday
Quote from: Franko on March 29, 2024, 04:46:26 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2024, 04:15:54 PMI am not in the least worried about the bloodline, and nothing that I said indicated that I was, so you are making it up. I also did not say that we should not help the less fortunate. The people who come here are not the most deserving, the most deserving are stuck in some camp and do not have tens of thousands of Euro to pay people smugglers, those who cannot come are those that we should help, not the chancers who lie their way across the world.
An Easter message to warm the heart
The sheer humanity of it
From the boards chief Catholic Church spokesperson
On Good Friday
I'm hardly the boards chief Catholic Church spokesperson, otherwise I would be in church rather than posting here. I said that resources should be spent on the most deserving, not those with the greatest neck, if you disagree with this then argue against it and stop making pointless comments about the Catholic church.
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22377168/
Quote from: Olly on March 29, 2024, 02:47:12 PMA fish supper yesterday cost me £12.20. This is ridiculous. Costs nothing to catch a fish apart from the rod.
Apologies, I looked at the receipt there and I also bought a brown mineral.