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[Evil Genius]

New memorial unveiled to Seán Russell
A new memorial in honour of Irish republican Seán Russell was unveiled in Dublin's Fairview Park on Sunday, 28 June [2009].
Born in Fairview in 1893 Seán Russell was a veteran of the 1916 Rising, the Tan war and Civil War and was Chief of Staff during the IRA's bombing campaign in England, launched in 1939.The original memorial was badly vandalised in an attack in December 2004.
Last weekend's unveiling ceremony was conducted by the National Graves Association which commissioned the new statue by sculptor Willie Malone. The statue was unveiled by Paddy Ryan and Sean Dougan.
A wreath was laid on behalf of Sinn Féin by the party's Dublin City Council group leader Larry O'Toole.
http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/38452



As this article by Henry McDonald* points out, Russell has some more entries on his CV, which his sympathisers curiously omit to mention:

Who do we think we are kidding ... of course the Brits killed Sean Russell

Henry McDonald
Sunday 16 January 2005 - The Observer

Watching Where Eagles Dare for the umpteenth time it suddenly dawned on me why that well-known anti-fascist, progressive, Jew-loving, Irish republican socialist Sean Russell ended up dying on a Nazi submarine in World War Two - the Brits did it. The evidence for this is contained in Alistair MacLean's intricately plotted wartime novel and later film starring Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton. Eastwood and Burton dress up as German officers in order to con the thicko Krauts with the aim of ultimately unmasking the Germans' top agent inside MI6 back in Blighty. Having seen the movie once more I'm convinced that there is nothing the Brits wouldn't do in terms of trickery and chicanery to get their way. Which brings us to the current bout of Nazi-denial in Ireland.
Just before Christmas, persons unknown severed the head of the Sean Russell statue in Fairview Park, North Dublin. The monument was erected by the National Graves Association and honours the IRA's commanding officer during the Second World War. The facts about Russell's tenure as IRA O/C as well as his death are crystal clear. As British cities were relentlessly bombed during the Luftwaffe Blitz Russell dispatched bombers of his own to England. Explosions killed civilians in cities such as Coventry while industries and military installations in Northern Ireland were targeted, all at a time when the Free World was fighting a war of survival against Hitler's armies. Moreover, Russell was feted in Berlin and travelled there voluntarily. In order to aid the IRA campaign to disrupt the British war effort Russell was transported back from Berlin in 1944 on a U-boat. During the voyage home Russell became extremely ill and died before he could be landed back on Irish soil.

Despite these facts there has been an orchestrated campaign of Nazi-like denial ever since Russell's statue was vandalised. Those behind the beheading issued a statement claiming they did so in memory of the millions the Nazis murdered. Regardless of their motivation the act itself was a piece of tokenistic protest posturing. Because if they had really wanted to shine a light into this very dark corner of Irish republican history then the vandals would have been better protesting in Fairview Park, holding seminars to discuss the IRA/Nazi links in the 1940s and publicly challenging anyone, including the Sinn Fein MEP for Dublin Mary Lou McDonald, who rushes to honour Russell as to why they feel it's alright to rally round a statue of one of Adolf Hitler's allies in World War Two. The attack on the monument merely turns Russell into a martyr once more.

Disapproval of the vandalism, however, should not deflect anyone from the truth about what the IRA's O/C and his comrades were up to in the Forties. In his very candid memoir, the late Paddy Devlin admitted that during the war there was a great degree of sympathy for the Nazis inside the IRA in Belfast. Devlin recalled that while in Crumlin Road jail he and his comrades enthusiastically plotted the advance of the Germans into the Soviet Union on a map in their prison cell. Each time news came through the radio about Nazi victories he and the other IRA inmates would cheer to the rafters.

Even in the face of historical fact the Nazi-like denial campaign has been building up steam lately, both in Dublin and Belfast. The NGA, which has vowed to reconstruct the statue, brands anyone linking Russell with the Third Reich as 'ignorant'. The NGA reminds the Irish public that Russell was not alone on the U-boat; the ex-IRA Spanish Civil War veteran Frank Ryan accompanied him on that fated voyage. Usually intelligent republican writers and critics such as Liam O'Ruaric in Belfast have also gone down the Nazi-like denial line pointing to Ryan's presence on the submarine and the fact that so many IRA veterans like him fought on the Republican side in Spain. The latter point is true of course. Irishmen and women like the late Paddy McAllister from the Lower Falls travelled to Spain to defend the Republic. Yet to use their defence of democracy to defend Sean Russell's strategic decision to ally the IRA with Hitler in the war is to insult their memory. And as for Frank Ryan, unlike Russell who was a free agent, the founder of Republican Congress was a virtual prisoner of the Nazis, having been rescued from a Francoist firing squad by German intelligence agents. Of course the invite to Berlin, the S-Plan, the IRA/Nazi alliance, the U-boat and the burial of Russell at sea complete with swastika flag and military honours may have been the work of British intelligence. Yes, of course that's it. The whole thing was an invention by latter-day securocrats aimed at blackening the name of the IRA by associating it with the Nazis. Just like Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood, those German submariners were, in fact, Brit agents and that U-boat came from a deepwater port somewhere in Scotland. Maybe Oliver Stone could make a film about it.


Of course, Sean Russell was only one of a number of Nazi collaboratos amongst Irish Republicans (albeit a leader), as the following demonstrates:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRA_Abwehr_World_War_II

And at the same time as leading Republicans such as Gerry Adams's father and Uncle Dominic etc were up to their eyes in the above, young men from the Unionist community such as Capt.Terence O'Neill (Irish Guards Officer), James Chichester-Clarke (wounded at Anzio), or James Molyneaux (6 years in the RAF, present at the liberation of Belsen) were volunteering  to join the fight against Hitler. (All three went on to be leaders of the Ulster Unionist Party, btw)

Yet Sinn Fein claims that they are the Socialists, whiles Unionists are Nazis.  I'm tempted to say that "you couldn't make it up" - only those hypocritical fcukers already have...




* - The usual "shoot the messenger" jibes are understood,  so there's neither use nor value in reproducing them, in an attempt to deflect attention away from the message...

[lynchbhoy]

Of course, Sean Russell was only one of a number of Nazi collaboratos amongst Irish Republicans (albeit a leader), as the following demonstrates:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRA_Abwehr_World_War_II

And at the same time as leading Republicans such as Gerry Adams's father and Uncle Dominic etc were up to their eyes in the above, young men from the Unionist community such as Capt.Terence O'Neill (Irish Guards Officer), James Chichester-Clarke (wounded at Anzio), or James Molyneaux (6 years in the RAF, present at the liberation of Belsen) were volunteering  to join the fight against Hitler. (All three went on to be leaders of the Ulster Unionist Party, btw)

Yet Sinn Fein claims that they are the Socialists, whiles Unionists are Nazis.  I'm tempted to say that "you couldn't make it up" - only those hypocritical fcukers already have...




* - The usual "shoot the messenger" jibes are understood,  so there's neither use nor value in reproducing them, in an attempt to deflect attention away from the message...[/i]

what would this 'message' actually be ?


btw :wikipedia is an impecible source alright
and I believe it has been demonstrated on here before that the unionists were guilty of an aparthied system that was not too far removed from what the nazi's implemented, although not to the same level of killing it has to be said.

but please, what IS your message here?

[Lecale2]

[citation needed]

[orangeman]

I'm not going to argue either way but it's a good bit of research there Evilgenius.

[Archie Mitchell]

Too much time on his hands.

[Denn Forever]

And a General Eric Dorman Smith from Coothill in Co. Cavan was heavily involved in the defeat of Rommell in North Africa.

[deiseach]

One assumes that if the likes of Seán Russell is going to be condemned for the actions of his allies, then the likes of Chichester Clarke et al must also be held to the same standard. You do know who Britain's allies were, don't you?

[orangeman]

One assumes that if the likes of Seán Russell is going to be condemned for the actions of his allies, then the likes of Chichester Clarke et al must also be held to the same standard. You do know who Britain's allies were, don't you?

Not the Poles or the Yankees surely ?

[A Quinn Martin Production]

Is there anything on Wikipedia Evil Genius won't w**k over??

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

As far as the rest of the world knew up until very late on in the world, it was a "normal" war (the atrocities carried out by the Germans, and to a much lesser extent the British only came to light later on).
In warfare is there not an old adage - "my enemys enemy is my friend".


Here EG just for you as I know your a big fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_enemy_of_my_enemy_is_my_friend

[deiseach]

One assumes that if the likes of Seán Russell is going to be condemned for the actions of his allies, then the likes of Chichester Clarke et al must also be held to the same standard. You do know who Britain's allies were, don't you?

Not the Poles or the Yankees surely ?

The Poles certainly were their allies. Until the end of the war, when they became the enemy. They must have eaten some evil or something

[A Quinn Martin Production]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Russell

"...Irish historian Brian Hanley suggests that Russell was not a Nazi..."  Well it says it in Wikipedia so it must be true

I would suggest that neither Mr McDonald's article from 2005 nor EG's resurrection of it in 2009 represent "news".

BTW...were not O'Neill, Mollyknocks and Chichester-Clarke allied with Stalin??

Molyneaux was also a member (and one time Vice President) of the Conservative Monday Club which advocated a policy of voluntary, or assisted, repatriation for non-white immigrants...(sound familiar??...)...It was claimed by opponents of the club that many members had drawn closer to the National Front, it being reported as early as 1973 that NF members were moving to take over branches of the club.

Actually Wiikipedia might be useful

[Evil Genius]

what would this 'message' actually be ?

but please, what IS your message here?

The "message" is quite simple, actually: namely, whilst the Shinners claim to be a Socialist party, at the same time they made common cause with Fascism during WWII, including eg murdering entirely innocent civilians in England in a bombing campaign, assisting the Luftwaffe in the bombing of Belfast, cheering Hitler's successes against the USSR, and assisting Nazi Agents sent over to the Free State etc.
And far from being repentant about this murkiest and most repugnant of activities, they are actually "honouring" Russell, the most prominent of their Nazi-loving leaders, whilst conveniently attempting to air-brush that particular aspect of his past from the record.
But if such a concept is too difficult for you to follow, just concentrate on the term "hypocrite"...

btw :wikipedia is an impecible source alright

I am standing by the sources which I quoted; if you think them unreliable, then it is up to you to demonstrate how. Which, if nothing else, might provide you with an "escape clause" from addressing the main message of this thread...

and I believe it has been demonstrated on here before that the unionists were guilty of an aparthied system that was not too far removed from what the nazi's implemented, although not to the same level of killing it has to be said.

You may "believe" it, but no such thing has been "demonstrated" on this Board, merely alleged, by you. Moreover, it is notable that when you have sought to repeat your allegation, it has received little or no support from anywhere on this Board, even from amongst "the usual suspects". (I suspect even they find your ludicrous and offensive claims in this respect to be embarrassing).

So if yo0u can manage to find your way back to the real world, perhaps you might care to enlighten us all with your views on Irish Republicanism's collaboration with Nazism during WWII, and their present-day "celebration" of the Collaborator-in-Chief...

[Evil Genius]

And a General Eric Dorman Smith from Coothill in Co. Cavan was heavily involved in the defeat of Rommell in North Africa.

General Smith was only one of many thousands of Irishmen and women, many from the Free State, whose record in the fight against Fascism in WWII was exemplary.

Which prompts the question as to whether the National Graves Commission* will be erecting a statue to Gen.Smith or his colleagues anytime soon? 

(I won't be holding my breath, btw)

[Evil Genius]

One assumes that if the likes of Seán Russell is going to be condemned for the actions of his allies, then the likes of Chichester Clarke et al must also be held to the same standard. You do know who Britain's allies were, don't you?

Are we to assume that you see some sort of equivalence between the Allies and the Axis forces during WWII, then?

Jesus H Christ, I've heard it all, now.

P.S. You don't happen to work in the SF Press Office, by any chance?