Ryanair set for £8 flights to US

[muppet]

I haven't mentioned it here before but I know the man fired.

He is a solid individual, thoughtful and never says two words where one will do. He is genuine on his safety concerns. Ryanair could be in trouble for firing him without process, especially when he was mainly talking about the IAA. The court cases will be very interesting.

[Tony Baloney]

I know of a story of a flight that was flying from Lanzarote to Dublin.  It hit very heavy turbulence and headwinds, it had to make an emergency refuelling stop-off in in Cardiff as the plane didn't have enough fuel to make it as far as Dublin.  It was scary stuff but it wasn't Ryanair but a different low cost airline.  This may be something that Muppet could advise about if it is a regular occurrence, my father in law was on the flight and coincidentally I happened to know the pilot as well

Lanzarote often has another issue. You mention headwinds, if the wind there is from the Northeast, which it often is there is a limit to the weight they can get off the runway due to local terrain. If the flight is full then that may reduce the extra fuel that could be taken. Some airlines stop en route for fuel when than happens although I am surprised to see you mention Cardiff. Were they flying to an Irish airport?

They were flying into Dublin, but the Captain was a bit of a bluffer so good only knows where he was flying for, may have ended up in a field around Malahide for all he knew

Must have been a Cross man so!

Flying on red then.

[bcarrier]

I haven't mentioned it here before but I know the man fired.

He is a solid individual, thoughtful and never says two words where one will do. He is genuine on his safety concerns. Ryanair could be in trouble for firing him without process, especially when he was mainly talking about the IAA. The court cases will be very interesting.

There you go then  .

I will genuinely try to keep an open mind on it.

[seafoid]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/16/ryanair-spectacle-business-without-trust

[muppet]

I haven't mentioned it here before but I know the man fired.

He is a solid individual, thoughtful and never says two words where one will do. He is genuine on his safety concerns. Ryanair could be in trouble for firing him without process, especially when he was mainly talking about the IAA. The court cases will be very interesting.

There you go then  .

I will genuinely try to keep an open mind on it.

To be fair I should probably have said that at the start.

[muppet]

We are the Liberia of the Aviation world:

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2013/08/21/ryanair-loses-in-norwegian-court/

Ryanair loses in Norwegian court
August 21, 2013
UPDATED: Irish low-fare airline Ryanair was handed a surprise defeat Wednesday by an appeals court in Norway, which ruled that a labour conflict with a former flight attendant must be tried in a Norwegian court, not in Ireland. Ryanair called the ruling "bizarre" and vowed an immediate appeal.

Flight attendant Allesandra Cocca has claimed she was wrongly dismissed from her job while stationed at Ryanair's Norwegian based at the Rygge Airport south of Moss. Cocca revealed details of what it's like to work for Ryanair – how new employees start off in debt to the airline because they've had to pay for their training and uniforms, for example, and then receive low base pay and few if any benefits. She likened her work agreement to a "slave contract," much to the objections of Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary.

The alleged working conditions at Ryanair do not conform to Norway's own strict labour regulations regarding pay and benefits such as sick leave, but Ryanair has argued that Norwegian law doesn't apply to them. A company spokesman repeated that on Wednesday, calling the appeals court's "inexplicable and unsound" because most of Cocca's work took place "outside Norway, by an Italian citizen employed on an Irish contract by an Irish company subject to Irish law and who paid her taxes and fees in Ireland."

Ryanair spokesman Robin Kiely told Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) that Cocca's salary was paid into an Irish bank account and that she spent her working hours on board Irish-registered aircraft, which by law is defined as Irish territory. "Clearly she worked in Ireland, not Norway," according to Ryanair, which has used the same argument to avoid tougher labour laws in other countries in Europe.
Cocca, who has claimed that employees of Ryanair "have no rights," was supported in her lawsuit against Ryanair by Norwegian labour organization Parat, which called the appeals court ruling "a fantastic victory, and the start of fair competition within European aviation."
Ryanair had won at the lower court level and declared it would appeal to Norway's Supreme Court, with Kiely saying the airline had "instructed its lawyers to immediately appeal this bizarre decision to the Norwegian Supreme Court."

"I really hope they will," claimed Vegard Einan of Parat, which also represents flight attendants at airlines competing against Ryanair. "Both Parat and Alessandra Cocca will be very glad to have this case heard by Norway's highest court. Then we will certainly get an even stronger voice in the EU and the EU court."

Others questioned whether Einan should be as "euphoric" as he said he was following Wednesday's appeals court decision. Marie Nesvik at the University of Oslo has studied Ryanair's case and its claims regarding in which country Ryanair's employees on board its aircraft are actually based. She said she wasn't surprised by the ruling from the Norwegian appeals court (Borgarting lagmannsrett) but noted that it only addressed the question of which country's courts should handle the case.

"Another question is which country's laws must be followed," Nesvik told newspaper Dagsavisen on Thursday. That raises additional legal questions over interpretation of both Norwegian and European legal obligations, and whether Norwegian practice or Irish will ultimately prevail.

[deiseach]

We are the Liberia of the Aviation world

Do other airlines use Ireland as flag of convenience?

[muppet]

We are the Liberia of the Aviation world

Do other airlines use Ireland as flag of convenience?

Yes. Alitalia and many other airlines register their aircraft in Ireland to avoid local legal issues that are, eh shall we say, processed quickly in Ireland. Defenders of this practise will point to various issues in Italy, which is partly true, but it doesn't explain why it is always Ireland that is used.

See the reg starting with 'EI':

[deiseach]

We are the Liberia of the Aviation world

Do other airlines use Ireland as flag of convenience?

Yes. Alitalia and many other airlines register their aircraft in Ireland to avoid local legal issues that are, eh shall we say, processed quickly in Ireland. Defenders of this practise will point to various issues in Italy, which is partly true, but it doesn't explain why it is always Ireland that is used.

See the reg starting with 'EI':

Point taken.

[snoopdog]

We are the Liberia of the Aviation world

Do other airlines use Ireland as flag of convenience?

Yes. Alitalia and many other airlines register their aircraft in Ireland to avoid local legal issues that are, eh shall we say, processed quickly in Ireland. Defenders of this practise will point to various issues in Italy, which is partly true, but it doesn't explain why it is always Ireland that is used.

See the reg starting with 'EI':

Point taken.

No VRT on aircraft so.

[muppet]

http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home/News/Norwegian+takes+transatlantic+step+Ryanair+has+long+avoided/id/19410615-5218-5225-e435-0fbec8745055

Norwegian takes transatlantic step Ryanair has long avoided
14:35, 3 September 2013 by Fearghal O'Connor

Norwegian Air is to offer flights from Scandinavia to California.
Ryanair's Scandinavian rival in the low fares market Norwegian Air has taken a step long predicted for the Irish airline but never taken.
Norwegian Air is to offer flights from Scandinavia to California using Boeing 787 Dreamliner planes it says have made long-haul discount routes newly viable, in the latest expansion of a strategy that other European low cost carriers have avoided to date. There has been speculation for a long time that Ryanair would move into the transatlantic market and many industry experts believe that its bid to buy Aer Lingus was, at least in part, fueled by the ambition.
The airline has even been linked with the Dreamliner airliner in the past, with chief executive Michael O'Leary vigorously defending it when Boeing were forced to ground it due to safety concerns.
But Norwegian, which is one of the fastest growing airlines in Europe, has stolen a march on its Irish rival and will begin services linking Stockholm with Los Angeles in March. This will be followed by flights from Copenhagen in April and Oslo in June, with an introductory fare of $236 each way. Oakland will be served from Stockholm and Oslo starting in May.
The airline is already serving the east coast, after beginning long-haul operations in May and currently has five weekly services from Stockholm and Oslo to Bangkok and six from the two Nordic cities to New York.
"We believe that the US is low-hanging fruit," said Norwegian chief executive Bjorn Kjos today, according to a Bloomberg report. "People love to fly cheap and they love to fly far."
Norwegian has applied for a permanent air operator's certificate in Ireland to establish a low-cost domicile for the long-haul unit that would permit the addition of flights to cities such as Beijing, Kjos said. Approval may take six months.

[seafoid]

A bad day for kn**ker capitalism

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7e2e6352-1544-11e3-950a-00144feabdc0.html

Ryanair's shares fell sharply on Wednesday after Europe's leading budget airline warned that full-year profit was expected to come in at the bottom end of its target range after increased competition depressed ticket pricing.

[Hardy]

A bad day for kn**ker capitalism

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7e2e6352-1544-11e3-950a-00144feabdc0.html

Ryanair's shares fell sharply on Wednesday after Europe's leading budget airline warned that full-year profit was expected to come in at the bottom end of its target range after increased competition depressed ticket pricing.

Presumably it was a good day for their competitors then, who I doubt are raving socialists, whatever about their activities in dead animal recovery.

Can we expect a gloating report every day it rains on Dublin Airport, where Ryanair has its headquarters, even though it's probably raining on Liberty Hall as well?

And a complaint every time it's sunny?

[Main Street]

A bad day for kn**ker capitalism

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7e2e6352-1544-11e3-950a-00144feabdc0.html

Ryanair's shares fell sharply on Wednesday after Europe's leading budget airline warned that full-year profit was expected to come in at the bottom end of its target range after increased competition depressed ticket pricing.

Presumably it was a good day for their competitors then, who I doubt are raving socialists, whatever about their activities in dead animal recovery.

Can we expect a gloating report every day it rains on Dublin Airport, where Ryanair has its headquarters, even though it's probably raining on Liberty Hall as well?

And a complaint every time it's sunny?

It might have been a good day for competitors, then again it might not, many of the factors that affected Ryanair profits might also affect their profits.
As this is a thread of sorts on Ryanair what relevance would concerns about Liberty Hall have?
I would assume that the term 'kn**ker capitalism' refers to practices where Ryanair is the clear leader, the race to the bottom and doing so with unabashed cynicism. The flip side of 'kn**ker capitalism' I suppose to be some form capitalism which strives to make profits, maintain competitiveness, yet still respect such things like the rights of employees to unionise and negotiate with them.

In using the word  'kn**ker', I assume it hasn't anything at all  to do with travellers, but a word to describe a type of modern 'fxck you - I dont care' culture. But as the word still has derogative associations, probably still used in reference with travellers, it's use censored here, probably advisable to use some other term.

[Hardy]

Thanks for the explanation. You shouldn't have gone to such bother.

I won't waste time on a debate about whether a reduction in Ryanair's stock price is more or less likely to reflect an improvement in the fortunes of their competitors, considering that the event is specifically suggested to be due to "increased competition".

My simple point was the absurdity of posting a comment on a single day's movement in a stock price as if it illustrated something relevant or enduring in the fortunes of the particular company and the pathos of latching onto anything so ludicrous as something to feel good about.