McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[orangeman]

Those who attended the removal were VERY warmly received by the Mc Carthy family and the 2008 panel would have been well received had they attended the funeral. The Mc Carthys have a bit of class about them. If you can't put aside your differences on an occasion like this then it's a very sad day.

[Reillers]

Those who attended the removal were VERY warmly received by the Mc Carthy family and the 2008 panel would have been well received had they attended the funeral. The Mc Carthys have a bit of class about them. If you can't put aside your differences on an occasion like this then it's a very sad day.

How were they suppose to know that would happen. It could have happened either way and you know that, at least be big enough to admit that.
YOu criticize the players for not having respect and such for a funeral so stop trying to use the funeral to take a pop and attack the players with, it's not right. They didn't go out to intenionally hurt anyone. They made a decision that they thought was best. In your view it was wrong, but can you not leave it as that, do you have to use everything, especially a funeral, to attack the players with. And you say the players have no respect.

[RedandGreenSniper]

Lads Shannon isn't the sports editor of the Tribune, he's GAA Editor. Granted though he is very closely aligned to the 08 panel and I'd have a number of questions about his article yesterday.

But why the f**k is so much time being devoted to who did or didn't attend a funeral? Its truly sad and not a good sign of where the GAA is going when an issue like this is used for leverage in an argument. Shannon was right on one thing, Gerald McCarthy bringing up the issue was a cheap shot. The players too stand culpaple for some of their actions but that this issue is being debated like it is is worrying.

[orangeman]

Those who attended the removal were VERY warmly received by the Mc Carthy family and the 2008 panel would have been well received had they attended the funeral. The Mc Carthys have a bit of class about them. If you can't put aside your differences on an occasion like this then it's a very sad day.

How were they suppose to know that would happen. It could have happened either way and you know that, at least be big enough to admit that.
YOu criticize the players for not having respect and such for a funeral so stop trying to use the funeral to take a pop and attack the players with, it's not right. They didn't go out to intenionally hurt anyone. They made a decision that they thought was best. In your view it was wrong, but can you not leave it as that, do you have to use everything, especially a funeral, to attack the players with. And you say the players have no respect.

When the lads who attended the reomval were so well received, surely a conference call could have been organised to let everybody know how well they received they were and that there would have been no hard feelings ??

[Reillers]

Those who attended the removal were VERY warmly received by the Mc Carthy family and the 2008 panel would have been well received had they attended the funeral. The Mc Carthys have a bit of class about them. If you can't put aside your differences on an occasion like this then it's a very sad day.

How were they suppose to know that would happen. It could have happened either way and you know that, at least be big enough to admit that.
YOu criticize the players for not having respect and such for a funeral so stop trying to use the funeral to take a pop and attack the players with, it's not right. They didn't go out to intenionally hurt anyone. They made a decision that they thought was best. In your view it was wrong, but can you not leave it as that, do you have to use everything, especially a funeral, to attack the players with. And you say the players have no respect.

When the lads who attended the reomval were so well received, surely a conference call could have been organised to let everybody know how well they received they were and that there would have been no hard feelings ??

There were 5 of them, that might have been a lot different if there was 25 of them and how were they supposed to know if they well received or not.

But that's not the point anyway, you continue to use the funeral as something to attack the players with, it's a funeral. You've made your point, we all know what it is, do you have to keep using the funeral for something to attack them with, surely you being you, could come up with something else.

[orangeman]

Those who attended the removal were VERY warmly received by the Mc Carthy family and the 2008 panel would have been well received had they attended the funeral. The Mc Carthys have a bit of class about them. If you can't put aside your differences on an occasion like this then it's a very sad day.

How were they suppose to know that would happen. It could have happened either way and you know that, at least be big enough to admit that.
YOu criticize the players for not having respect and such for a funeral so stop trying to use the funeral to take a pop and attack the players with, it's not right. They didn't go out to intenionally hurt anyone. They made a decision that they thought was best. In your view it was wrong, but can you not leave it as that, do you have to use everything, especially a funeral, to attack the players with. And you say the players have no respect.

When the lads who attended the reomval were so well received, surely a conference call could have been organised to let everybody know how well they received they were and that there would have been no hard feelings ??

And yet you continue to use the funeral as something to attack the players with, it's a funeral. You've made your point, we all know what it is, do you have to keep using the funeral for something to attack them with, surely you being you, could come up with something else.

You may get in touch with Shannon and thank hom for clarifying the 2008 panel's position on the issue and spinning it to make them look good when Gerald told them to keep the mass card. 

[Reillers]

Those who attended the removal were VERY warmly received by the Mc Carthy family and the 2008 panel would have been well received had they attended the funeral. The Mc Carthys have a bit of class about them. If you can't put aside your differences on an occasion like this then it's a very sad day.

How were they suppose to know that would happen. It could have happened either way and you know that, at least be big enough to admit that.
YOu criticize the players for not having respect and such for a funeral so stop trying to use the funeral to take a pop and attack the players with, it's not right. They didn't go out to intenionally hurt anyone. They made a decision that they thought was best. In your view it was wrong, but can you not leave it as that, do you have to use everything, especially a funeral, to attack the players with. And you say the players have no respect.

When the lads who attended the reomval were so well received, surely a conference call could have been organised to let everybody know how well they received they were and that there would have been no hard feelings ??

And yet you continue to use the funeral as something to attack the players with, it's a funeral. You've made your point, we all know what it is, do you have to keep using the funeral for something to attack them with, surely you being you, could come up with something else.

You may get in touch with Shannon and thank hom for clarifying the 2008 panel's position on the issue and spinning it to make them look good when Gerald told them to keep the mass card. 

You really can't leave it can you. And you say the players have no respect. What about you. Constantly using someones death to get one up in an arguement and to throw mud at the players.

[orangeman]

Tony Connolly ( right half back on the 1966 AI winning team ) said to Lawlor :

" Most of the fans of the current team would only know these guys as leading hurlers. Some of them wouldn't know our hurlers of the past. To some of these fans, Christy Ring is a roundabout on the outer city road."

[Reillers]

What the hell is the point of that comment.
Ring is THE most respected hurler in the county, scratch that, probably the country.

[Bud Wiser]

Indeed. In fairness to the Sindo, Sweeney's opinion column appears on the same page each week as Tommy Conlon's "The Couch". Tommy is a very strong advocate of the GPA and the pay-for-play cause, and on these issues his views are diametrically opposed to those of Sweeney. Only an idiot could suggest that these columns are anything other than opinion pieces.

Tommy Conlons "on The Couch" spewing of the usial tripe yesterday has all the signs of something  that would come from somone on dope rather than on a couch, or both but incisive, informative or for that matter truthful it was not.  How dare he suggest that Gerald used the death of his mother to gain a sympathy vote. Thankfully I can read the Independent on-line instead of subscribing to that type of smartalecism.  Leave aside whether the Cork hurlers went to the funeral or not, who is Tommy Conlon that he can see inside the mind of Gerald McCarthy or know what his emotions about the loss of his mother was to be able to say that he used the death of his mother as a method of gaining a sympathy vote.  Perhaps Tommy is rubbing shoulders with his lady colleagues in the paper that at the moment half the shops in Ireland are refusing to sell instead of lying on a couch and is getting used to believing things like if a tree falls anywhere at any time it is Sinn Feins fault.

Tommy, gave out advice about the libel aspects of the Cork dispute and he might do well to remember that he has come close to the mark, if not over it, of libelling Gerald McCarthy himself by holding him to public ridicule and seeking support in public (yes, more than the legal number of 12 people would have read his spewing) to accept his theory that Gerald McCarthy is so low in charachter that he used the death of his mother to gain sympathy.  Scandelous, out of line and I wonder if Aeongus Fanning was on holidays to allow him write that and have it accepted at editorial level.

[orangeman]

Colm O'Rourke in his piece yesterday said that the Cork county board will have to resign in its entirety if the people's revolition is to succeed and reserves special criticism for FM for beong out of touch and who has presided over 3 different strikes.

He also says that wearing the jersey should be a huge honour, the jersey being a symbol of what is good about being Irish, representing the work of thousands of voluntary workers who love the feeling of contributing something to their community. He says this is more important than any money, power or ego. But on this basis, a lot of people will take a lot of convincing that the 2008 panel are anything other than an arrogant, self indulgent group who think only of themselves and who don't have th futire interest of Cork hurling at heart.

Harsh words all round and a blow to the 2008 panel from one who normally reserves such stinging criticism for the hierarchy of the GAA.

[dowling]

Those who attended the removal were VERY warmly received by the Mc Carthy family and the 2008 panel would have been well received had they attended the funeral. The Mc Carthys have a bit of class about them. If you can't put aside your differences on an occasion like this then it's a very sad day.

How were they suppose to know that would happen. It could have happened either way and you know that, at least be big enough to admit that.
YOu criticize the players for not having respect and such for a funeral so stop trying to use the funeral to take a pop and attack the players with, it's not right. They didn't go out to intenionally hurt anyone. They made a decision that they thought was best. In your view it was wrong, but can you not leave it as that, do you have to use everything, especially a funeral, to attack the players with. And you say the players have no respect.

When the lads who attended the reomval were so well received, surely a conference call could have been organised to let everybody know how well they received they were and that there would have been no hard feelings ??

There were 5 of them, that might have been a lot different if there was 25 of them and how were they supposed to know if they well received or not.

But that's not the point anyway, you continue to use the funeral as something to attack the players with, it's a funeral. You've made your point, we all know what it is, do you have to keep using the funeral for something to attack them with, surely you being you, could come up with something else.

Through a phone call or a third party perhaps. If I remember correctly did Gerry Adams not go to the funeral of a top UVF man in a staunch loyalist area in Belfast. Now if he could do that well....

But the issue isn't just simply about going or not going - not going was bad enough - it's whether or not leaders of the panel canvassed others not to go and for the total 30 players not to go it would have to be assumed something untoward took place. And if it was ever proven beyond doubt something untoward took place then it would throw a dark shadow over everything the leaders have been saying and doing.

[orangeman]

Both Zulu and Reillers have reluctantly conceded ( I think ) that the 2008 made a big mistake by not going which is fair enough. At least they've seen that even if it has taken a wee while to convince them.

[Bud Wiser]

With regard to Sweeneys article, it was not required either.  The Cork hurlers and some supporters had already done the damage for themselves, Sweeney should have written about four months ago that this was what was going to happen, that the entire mess would end up with no winners in this entire sorry mess. With regard to his piece on why there is a requirement for the GPA after all and that we should all contact our TD's to ensure they are reminded to retain the Sports Grant he is also too late and altogether wrong in saying that there is a requirement for the GPA, based on his notion that their presence will ensre the grant is retained.

In 2007 alone the National Lottery made profits of 218.5 Million Euro.  PROFITS.  Since its beginning the Lotto has made 3 Billion in profits, that is in clear profits that were awarded to various groups including sports and heritage.  How much has been given to gaa players without which our heritage would be mising a large chunk in terms of what our national games provide? Croke Park got government funding, not from the National Lottery.  The GAA, apart from sports aspect is part of our heritage.  The GAA should have a proffessional body to apply for these grants and the least they should get from the National Lottery is the amount the Government had agreed to allocate in players grants in the first place.  Sweeney, although not the worst, should be seeking the GAA to pursue this route and if the grants are not forthcoming, instead of nationalizing the banks the government should take the running of the Lotto out of the hands of the fat cats who are running it - or the GAA start their own national lottery.

[orangeman]

or the GAA start their own national lottery.


You could be onto something there Bud !!!!!