McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[orangeman]

The reality, which any posters who had the temrity to suggest beforehand that the players were acting out of self interest and were merely seeking to retain the " good thing" they had going in Cork were dismissed as bring clueless and talking through their arses, is that the players only had the preservation of their careers ( and the significant financial packages that went alongside that carerr ) at the back, middle and front of their minds all along.


The sucked in the  Cork clubs in the end (and a few naive pro player posters and a few lads who felt compelled to defend their honour who wrote to the press saying what good lads Donal and co were really - sure they took a session for our wee club and they never charged a penny  ) by creating mass hysteria and turned the clubs against Mc Carthy and some off shoots of this resulted directly in Mc Carthy receiving death threats and prank phonecalls to his house at all times of the night.

That's the reality - not horseshit - not fairytales - reality.

This I know is hard to accept if you've argued the other way for 6 months. But it's time to face up to it. The only way you can be healed is you accept it.

[Bud Wiser]

The one I spoke with is a respected clubman and has done trojan work for Cork Hurling, or to be more precise, used to do trojan work.  I only quoted what he told me, you say it is horseshit which makes me think you are calling him a liar.   

Thanks for answering the question after all that.  Your answer being yes I am to assume that since you are backing the 2008 panel that not one of them have received direct sponsorship as otherwise you would oppose that and not back them.

[The GAA]

Excepting dougal, are there posters on this board who genuinely think that the dispute in cork has been instigated by the players to protect personal commercial interests?

[bingobus]

The post is irrelevent to the genisis, the actual issues and the current state of this saga.
it's simply another of bud's gpa conspiracy theories which he has tried at several junctures (along with dowling) to hjck this thread with

It is far from irrelevant. Do you deny that the Powerade sponsorship was ever pulled?

What has that got to do with the ongoing malpractice at count exectutive level and the actions the cork hurlers took to highlight it?

Well off the top of head one of the issues was that the CCB had very weak structures in place regarding Development of facilities and underage teams.
If this major inflow of funds was available to them, then maybe they could go some lenght to addressing them.

You don't seem to be able to see where we are coming from. The ongoing malpractice will continue in Cork  but the issues behind this will re-occur around the country.

Not if the players follow their path to conclusion through the clubs

From listening to Sean Og they have reached their end of the path. They will leave it to the clubs to seek change and their track record wouldn't fill me with confidence or hope.

Also, you choose to ignore most of the post or is this fairytale?

I don't know anything about this revenue stream for ccb and wouln't be comfortable basing an argument around rumour. certainly they have a responsibility to develop facilities and structures and if they are pinning 30 years of neglect in these areas to one lost sponsorship deal (allegedly) then they are papering over the cracks.

Does the third party newspaper reports posted above not give you a little indication that this is more than rumour?

Also, have you any idea of the costs involved in running a county these days? Its millions and this doesn't come easy. Every additional sponsorship, particularly of this size in invaluable and can be the difference in doing the same as last year and building on that this year and addiing on some value.

I was lead to believe that the underage development squads in cork are a massive deal. Split into 14 regions and each region been trained/developed and then they play other development squads in the county. In theory that sounds very well structured to me. Maybe in practice it isn't working as well as it could but I can only assume that the fancied U21 Cork squad this year is benefiting from this.

Maybe you can highlight to me the weakness's of the underage strcutures in Cork?

[The GAA]

The one I spoke with is a respected clubman and has done trojan work for Cork Hurling, or to be more precise, used to do trojan work.  I only quoted what he told me, you say it is horseshit which makes me think you are calling him a liar.   

Thanks for answering the question after all that.  Your answer being yes I am to assume that since you are backing the 2008 panel that not one of them have received direct sponsorship as otherwise you would oppose that and not back them.

You better stick up my quote then there boss

I think you are confused with your second paragraph? i'm not clear what you're saying there?

[The GAA]

The post is irrelevent to the genisis, the actual issues and the current state of this saga.
it's simply another of bud's gpa conspiracy theories which he has tried at several junctures (along with dowling) to hjck this thread with

It is far from irrelevant. Do you deny that the Powerade sponsorship was ever pulled?

What has that got to do with the ongoing malpractice at count exectutive level and the actions the cork hurlers took to highlight it?

Well off the top of head one of the issues was that the CCB had very weak structures in place regarding Development of facilities and underage teams.
If this major inflow of funds was available to them, then maybe they could go some lenght to addressing them.

You don't seem to be able to see where we are coming from. The ongoing malpractice will continue in Cork  but the issues behind this will re-occur around the country.

Not if the players follow their path to conclusion through the clubs

From listening to Sean Og they have reached their end of the path. They will leave it to the clubs to seek change and their track record wouldn't fill me with confidence or hope.

Also, you choose to ignore most of the post or is this fairytale?

I don't know anything about this revenue stream for ccb and wouln't be comfortable basing an argument around rumour. certainly they have a responsibility to develop facilities and structures and if they are pinning 30 years of neglect in these areas to one lost sponsorship deal (allegedly) then they are papering over the cracks.

Does the third party newspaper reports posted above not give you a little indication that this is more than rumour?

Also, have you any idea of the costs involved in running a county these days? Its millions and this doesn't come easy. Every additional sponsorship, particularly of this size in invaluable and can be the difference in doing the same as last year and building on that this year and addiing on some value.

I was lead to believe that the underage development squads in cork are a massive deal. Split into 14 regions and each region been trained/developed and then they play other development squads in the county. In theory that sounds very well structured to me. Maybe in practice it isn't working as well as it could but I can only assume that the fancied U21 Cork squad this year is benefiting from this.

Maybe you can highlight to me the weakness's of the underage strcutures in Cork?

So if i accept that there was a conflict in which sports drink to use, you believe this is enough to justify the malpractice from the ccb board over many years?

[AZOffaly]

Can anyone tell me what the story is now? Are the clubs going to request a special convention and move a 'no confidence' motion against the executive?

Or is Ger the sacrificial lamb in another phoney war?

[orangeman]

Excepting dougal, are there posters on this board who genuinely think that the dispute in cork has been instigated by the players to protect personal commercial interests?

Game set and match !!! Over and out ! Take a few days off GAA - It's getting hugely embarassing for you at this stage and the mood isn't good but as I said it's to be expected. 

[turk]

Can anyone tell me what the story is now? Are the clubs going to request a special convention and move a 'no confidence' motion against the executive?

Or is Ger the sacrificial lamb in another phoney war?

Howya AZ!

I'm an interested observer! We'll have to wait and see what the striking 08 panel members plan to do next!

[orangeman]

Can anyone tell me what the story is now? Are the clubs going to request a special convention and move a 'no confidence' motion against the executive?

Or is Ger the sacrificial lamb in another phoney war?

[/b]

Yes.

[AZOffaly]

Can anyone tell me what the story is now? Are the clubs going to request a special convention and move a 'no confidence' motion against the executive?

Or is Ger the sacrificial lamb in another phoney war?

[/b]

Yes.

Well if that's the case, then the clubs in Cork are unbelievably stupid, and deserve the County Board they have.

[bingobus]

So if i accept that there was a conflict in which sports drink to use, you believe this is enough to justify the malpractice from the ccb board over many years?

Its not about conflict in which sports drink is used, its the principle behind it. Free money that could be injected into the GAA coffers for development, facilities, county teams etc is been deverted from the game directly to players. If this continue's, then the funding coming into the GAA will decrease, at a time when costs are way over what they should be. This will have an affect on the next generation of players who will not have had the same resources put into their development, while they will expect the same benefits as those before them.

This is in no way connected to the malpractice of the county board. This should never be tolerated or accepted but the GAA has structures in place to address this. The clubs in Cork for whatever reason (the dreaded FM been the main one) choose not to pursue these structures till now.

These are too independent issues here.

[The GAA]

Can anyone tell me what the story is now? Are the clubs going to request a special convention and move a 'no confidence' motion against the executive?

Or is Ger the sacrificial lamb in another phoney war?

No word on that AZ but i certainl hope so.
This has to be finished or it'll reoccur sooner or later

[The GAA]

So if i accept that there was a conflict in which sports drink to use, you believe this is enough to justify the malpractice from the ccb board over many years?

Its not about conflict in which sports drink is used, its the principle behind it. Free money that could be injected into the GAA coffers for development, facilities, county teams etc is been deverted from the game directly to players. If this continue's, then the funding coming into the GAA will decrease, at a time when costs are way over what they should be. This will have an affect on the next generation of players who will not have had the same resources put into their development, while they will expect the same benefits as those before them.

This is in no way connected to the malpractice of the county board. This should never be tolerated or accepted but the GAA has structures in place to address this. The clubs in Cork for whatever reason (the dreaded FM been the main one) choose not to pursue these structures till now.

These are too independent issues here.

Agreed - so blaming one issue on another is silly

[The GAA]

Excepting dougal, are there posters on this board who genuinely think that the dispute in cork has been instigated by the players to protect personal commercial interests?

Game set and match !!! Over and out ! Take a few days off GAA - It's getting hugely embarassing for you at this stage and the mood isn't good but as I said it's to be expected. 

You do know that even the anti player posters laugh at your idiocy?