McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[orangeman]

I wouldn't like to be the new treaurer in this new set up.

Gate receipts will be well down - anybody that doesn't want to pay in doesn't have to. Shake the turnstile and you get in.

The new 2009 panel will be demanding new terms and conditions and the existing 2009 panel will have to be retained.

[Hound]

Only took you 6 months

So how many new bums on seats are needed then (100+ say?)? Would you be confident that they will be found and give proper service to their new roles and that a new administration in a County with over 250 clubs will be able to find open agreement as everybody gets to have their say and vote in a timely manner. Would you not have any concerns going forward about this working without a firm hand on the rudder and that the ferryman cannot be all things to all clubs?

Is it just possible the FM persona evolved over the years out of a necessity to get things done?

Open questions...just wondering if you or anybody else would be worried about these things?

The Iraq analogy.
Get rid of the dictator and celebrate. Then "oh crap" what do we do now?

[heffo]

Gate receipts will be well down - anybody that doesn't want to pay in doesn't have to. Shake the turnstile and you get in.

I'm sure the new GPA overlords won't be long sorting that out - as the Sunday Independent put it "they know their value off the field'

[johnneycool]

So how many new bums on seats are needed then (100+ say?)? Would you be confident that they will be found and give proper service to their new roles and that a new administration in a County with over 250 clubs will be able to find open agreement as everybody gets to have their say and vote in a timely manner. Would you not have any concerns going forward about this working without a firm hand on the rudder and that the ferryman cannot be all things to all clubs?

Is it just possible the FM persona evolved over the years out of a necessity to get things done?

Open questions...just wondering if you or anybody else would be worried about these things?

There is an argument that a county board with as many as 250 constituent clubs may well be impossible to manage in the conventional manner.

Some years ago, there was a proposal that Dublin GAA be divided in two (or was it three?) . Is there a case for a similar division in Cork, between the greater city area and the county, for example?

having a working committee representing 250 clubs would be no mean task for any man, how would you work standing orders or the likes with that number of delegates in the room?

It may require some form of regional approach rather than senior/intermediate/junior as favoured by the present CB but you just couldn't have 250 delegates at every meeting IMO.

[dowling]

Talk in this scenario of constitution, procedure and byelaws is pathetic in my opinion and is the last haven for county executive apologists

Ok GAA, there might possibly be a new scenario - and there might not - but if there is will there not be any constitution, procedures and bylaws?

[The GAA]

way to go in completely missing my point, which was that

constitution, procedure and byelaws cannot be used as fig leaves behind which to hide misuse of power and dereliction of duty

[theskull1]

Only took you 6 months

So how many new bums on seats are needed then (100+ say?)? Would you be confident that they will be found and give proper service to their new roles and that a new administration in a County with over 250 clubs will be able to find open agreement as everybody gets to have their say and vote in a timely manner. Would you not have any concerns going forward about this working without a firm hand on the rudder and that the ferryman cannot be all things to all clubs?

Is it just possible the FM persona evolved over the years out of a necessity to get things done?

Open questions...just wondering if you or anybody else would be worried about these things?

Wouldn't mind some honest opinions from yourself GAA on the questions I have raised

[dowling]

Whatever way this immediate dispute ends there's only one point that is indebatable: the behaviour of the 2008 panel, the spokespersons of some of the clubs and certain journalists should hang their heads in shame. This is 'mob rule' with the mob now tasting blood and wanting to go in for the kill. And it's 'mob rule' because there still isn't a coherent strategy to deal with the dispute and any perceived issues that caused it and instead there is only lashing out at what are perceived to be 'legitimate targets', namely Gerald McCarthy and Frank Murphy. Of course journalists are a law unto themselves and the 'elite' players in Cork have shown from last year that bullying is not below them when Teddy Holland was their victim. Would it be fair to give those certain clubs and their spokemen a bit of leeway and say they have been swept along in the tide of pursuing success? These are supposed to be responsible people making statements so I don't think they deserve any leeway.

These spokespersons will be the first to tell their club members when an issue arises to use the appropriate channels, that rules must be abided by but that rules can be changed as long as proper procedures are adhered to. Rules that are passed in their clubs, usually with their backing and urging of members to give likewise, and which again are passed at county convention with their backing and their clubs.
But now it's damm the rules and procedures that they themselves put in place and they don't even see the irony or that they're damming themselves. Every rule can be changed but it's how it's changed that is important.
But it seems firstly the 2008 panel didn't have the stomach to go to their clubs for support so they could do what all the rest of the association does and now after having given two fingures to the structures of the GAA in Cork as ratified by those clubs certain clubs are now saying fine in their fear of losing out on glory.
So now the 2008 panel lead the clubs and have certain clubs joining in with their dirty campaign. And make no mistake about it, that's what it is. Instead of attempting to do anything by the book there's been a very public campaign of villification against both Gerald McCarthy and Frank Murphy. It matters not that both men have famillies or have given anything positive to Cork for many years in spite of their faults. And there's no doubt fists have punched the air when another public blow came Gerald's or Frank's way, "we're getting there boys." Fair play to ye boys.
But what about Jerry OSullivan? Where's his villification? Don't want to upset the boys? But the chairman clearly nailed his colours to the mast yet no discerning comments about him and it's quite clear why.
The 2008 panel never had any big ideal about doing anything for the good of Cork, The only objective they went into this dispute with was to get rid of Gerald McCarthy. As things have gone along they targeted Frank Murphy as the unreasonable key to all this, the user of Gerald, poor naive Gerald, and everything was fair in love and war. Don't want to upset the OSullivan brothers? What have the panel and now these club spokespersons done to the famillies of Gerald and Frank, never mind to them on a personal level. Or does the GAA in Cork not worry about such trivial things like villifying members in public? If members of the 2008 panel feel they can go to their graves in peace there would seem to be a problem with their priorities in life.
If the wrongs in Cork are so bad then there's no reason changes could not have come about without a very public villification of these two men. And if a group of players and certain clubs believe they had no choice other than to very publicly villify two men in pursuit of glory it's a very sad day for Cork.
And the irony is that those certain clubs backing and pertaking in such behaviour means it can happen again and again. And most likely will. And maybe one day it will be one of those spokespersons on the receiving end.

So shame on them for the bullying and villifying of two members of Cork GAA. And shame on the posters here who add to it and justify it.

The only way to deal with a 65 year old man is to villify him in public!

Oh cry me a river Dowling.
The only way to deal with a 65 year old man..

"When the history of Cork hurling is written Frank Murphy will take his rightfull place at the bottom of the pile."

Give up Dowling you're sounding desperate at this stage.
I'll make an attempt to reply to..that..when I have more time, but the last bit is the biggest joke.

Of course Frank Murphy and Gerald McCarthy were publicly villified and it was the only way the 2008 panel could deal with him. Certain clubs are now falling into that too.

If you're going to reply with all the stuff you usually reply with don't bother, I'll not read it, I know where you stand.

Give me your answer to the Tomas Mulcahy question you avoided some time ago. Need me to post it again?

[The GAA]

Absolutely confident that sufficient (and more) genuine and capable volunteers will make themselves available.

I don't believe FM's uderhand and manpulative style was a necessary evil. That's a cop out - certainly a strong and efficient administrator (or 2) is needed in his role. i think there should be a review of the workings of the co board to establish the best structure to operate the association under in the county.

[dowling]

way to go in completely missing my point, which was that

constitution, procedure and byelaws cannot be used as fig leaves behind which to hide misuse of power and dereliction of duty

It's not missing the point at all. But for the sake of argument say I am.

So this is a new point. In any possible new scenario would constitution, procedures and bylaws apply and if so how, and what guarantees would there be to ensure they would be adhered to?

[The GAA]

i'm confused. why would they not apply?

[orangeman]

How will the power of the union hurling panel be controlled in any new dispensation ?

[heffo]

i'm confused. why would they not apply?

They've been chucked out the window now, so why would they be followed in the future when the outcome didn't suit someone?

[The GAA]

How have they been chucked out the window?

[heffo]

Absolutely confident that sufficient (and more) genuine and capable volunteers will make themselves available.

Might there be a place somewhere in the new mob-ocracy for our own Reillers? Will he remember his friends if so?