McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[heffo]

interesting see the anti player posters redefining "what they were arguing all along".

Funny you mention that as it's also interesting to see the pro-player posters redefining "what they were arguing all along'

[The GAA]

well you and i can only speak for ourselves and i've never changed my stance from the start.
nor have the players i believe

[orangeman]

Who will "run" things in Cork from here on ?


Will it be the County Board as happens everywhere else ?

Will it be the clubs ?

Will it be the 2008 strikers ?

Will it it be the 2008 strikers aided by the threat of bringing in the footballers and the help of the jounos like Colm Keys ?

[dowling]

Whatever way this immediate dispute ends there's only one point that is indebatable: the behaviour of the 2008 panel, the spokespersons of some of the clubs and certain journalists should hang their heads in shame. This is 'mob rule' with the mob now tasting blood and wanting to go in for the kill. And it's 'mob rule' because there still isn't a coherent strategy to deal with the dispute and any perceived issues that caused it and instead there is only lashing out at what are perceived to be 'legitimate targets', namely Gerald McCarthy and Frank Murphy. Of course journalists are a law unto themselves and the 'elite' players in Cork have shown from last year that bullying is not below them when Teddy Holland was their victim. Would it be fair to give those certain clubs and their spokemen a bit of leeway and say they have been swept along in the tide of pursuing success? These are supposed to be responsible people making statements so I don't think they deserve any leeway.

These spokespersons will be the first to tell their club members when an issue arises to use the appropriate channels, that rules must be abided by but that rules can be changed as long as proper procedures are adhered to. Rules that are passed in their clubs, usually with their backing and urging of members to give likewise, and which again are passed at county convention with their backing and their clubs.
But now it's damm the rules and procedures that they themselves put in place and they don't even see the irony or that they're damming themselves. Every rule can be changed but it's how it's changed that is important.
But it seems firstly the 2008 panel didn't have the stomach to go to their clubs for support so they could do what all the rest of the association does and now after having given two fingures to the structures of the GAA in Cork as ratified by those clubs certain clubs are now saying fine in their fear of losing out on glory.
So now the 2008 panel lead the clubs and have certain clubs joining in with their dirty campaign. And make no mistake about it, that's what it is. Instead of attempting to do anything by the book there's been a very public campaign of villification against both Gerald McCarthy and Frank Murphy. It matters not that both men have famillies or have given anything positive to Cork for many years in spite of their faults. And there's no doubt fists have punched the air when another public blow came Gerald's or Frank's way, "we're getting there boys." Fair play to ye boys.
But what about Jerry OSullivan? Where's his villification? Don't want to upset the boys? But the chairman clearly nailed his colours to the mast yet no discerning comments about him and it's quite clear why.
The 2008 panel never had any big ideal about doing anything for the good of Cork, The only objective they went into this dispute with was to get rid of Gerald McCarthy. As things have gone along they targeted Frank Murphy as the unreasonable key to all this, the user of Gerald, poor naive Gerald, and everything was fair in love and war. Don't want to upset the OSullivan brothers? What have the panel and now these club spokespersons done to the famillies of Gerald and Frank, never mind to them on a personal level. Or does the GAA in Cork not worry about such trivial things like villifying members in public? If members of the 2008 panel feel they can go to their graves in peace there would seem to be a problem with their priorities in life.
If the wrongs in Cork are so bad then there's no reason changes could not have come about without a very public villification of these two men. And if a group of players and certain clubs believe they had no choice other than to very publicly villify two men in pursuit of glory it's a very sad day for Cork.
And the irony is that those certain clubs backing and pertaking in such behaviour means it can happen again and again. And most likely will. And maybe one day it will be one of those spokespersons on the receiving end.

So shame on them for the bullying and villifying of two members of Cork GAA. And shame on the posters here who add to it and justify it.

The only way to deal with a 65 year old man is to villify him in public!

[The GAA]

one man's mob rule is another's majority rule obviously

[The GAA]

Who will "run" things in Cork from here on ?


Will it be the County Board as happens everywhere else ?

Will it be the clubs ?

Will it be the 2008 strikers ?

Will it it be the 2008 strikers aided by the threat of bringing in the footballers and the help of the jounos like Colm Keys ?

Why don't you tell us what you think

[heffo]

well you and i can only speak for ourselves and i've never changed my stance from the start.
nor have the players i believe

I for one think it's great that the clubs are finding some balls and are beginning to empower themselves - I've no doubt over the overwhelming results coming from the clubs EGM's - I have asked on several occasions though how the attendance is controlled to ensure that it is Club chairmen & Secretaries who attend and not just the one group who haven't been elected to any position moving from club to club.

In terms of the arguments on here - it started with blackguarding Ger Mac's coaching ability, then moved to FM, then any other official who spoke up, then any poster who disagreed..

[orangeman]

Who will "run" things in Cork from here on ?


Will it be the County Board as happens everywhere else ?

Will it be the clubs ?

Will it be the 2008 strikers ?

Will it it be the 2008 strikers aided by the threat of bringing in the footballers and the help of the jounos like Colm Keys ?

Why don't you tell us what you think

No point - we'll just have to wait on Donal and the lads to let us know via Colm in all probablility. But I'm sure it will be all have been sorted out at this stage.

[Reillers]

Whatever way this immediate dispute ends there's only one point that is indebatable: the behaviour of the 2008 panel, the spokespersons of some of the clubs and certain journalists should hang their heads in shame. This is 'mob rule' with the mob now tasting blood and wanting to go in for the kill. And it's 'mob rule' because there still isn't a coherent strategy to deal with the dispute and any perceived issues that caused it and instead there is only lashing out at what are perceived to be 'legitimate targets', namely Gerald McCarthy and Frank Murphy. Of course journalists are a law unto themselves and the 'elite' players in Cork have shown from last year that bullying is not below them when Teddy Holland was their victim. Would it be fair to give those certain clubs and their spokemen a bit of leeway and say they have been swept along in the tide of pursuing success? These are supposed to be responsible people making statements so I don't think they deserve any leeway.

These spokespersons will be the first to tell their club members when an issue arises to use the appropriate channels, that rules must be abided by but that rules can be changed as long as proper procedures are adhered to. Rules that are passed in their clubs, usually with their backing and urging of members to give likewise, and which again are passed at county convention with their backing and their clubs.
But now it's damm the rules and procedures that they themselves put in place and they don't even see the irony or that they're damming themselves. Every rule can be changed but it's how it's changed that is important.
But it seems firstly the 2008 panel didn't have the stomach to go to their clubs for support so they could do what all the rest of the association does and now after having given two fingures to the structures of the GAA in Cork as ratified by those clubs certain clubs are now saying fine in their fear of losing out on glory.
So now the 2008 panel lead the clubs and have certain clubs joining in with their dirty campaign. And make no mistake about it, that's what it is. Instead of attempting to do anything by the book there's been a very public campaign of villification against both Gerald McCarthy and Frank Murphy. It matters not that both men have famillies or have given anything positive to Cork for many years in spite of their faults. And there's no doubt fists have punched the air when another public blow came Gerald's or Frank's way, "we're getting there boys." Fair play to ye boys.
But what about Jerry OSullivan? Where's his villification? Don't want to upset the boys? But the chairman clearly nailed his colours to the mast yet no discerning comments about him and it's quite clear why.
The 2008 panel never had any big ideal about doing anything for the good of Cork, The only objective they went into this dispute with was to get rid of Gerald McCarthy. As things have gone along they targeted Frank Murphy as the unreasonable key to all this, the user of Gerald, poor naive Gerald, and everything was fair in love and war. Don't want to upset the OSullivan brothers? What have the panel and now these club spokespersons done to the famillies of Gerald and Frank, never mind to them on a personal level. Or does the GAA in Cork not worry about such trivial things like villifying members in public? If members of the 2008 panel feel they can go to their graves in peace there would seem to be a problem with their priorities in life.
If the wrongs in Cork are so bad then there's no reason changes could not have come about without a very public villification of these two men. And if a group of players and certain clubs believe they had no choice other than to very publicly villify two men in pursuit of glory it's a very sad day for Cork.
And the irony is that those certain clubs backing and pertaking in such behaviour means it can happen again and again. And most likely will. And maybe one day it will be one of those spokespersons on the receiving end.

So shame on them for the bullying and villifying of two members of Cork GAA. And shame on the posters here who add to it and justify it.

The only way to deal with a 65 year old man is to villify him in public!

Oh cry me a river Dowling.
The only way to deal with a 65 year old man..

"When the history of Cork hurling is written Frank Murphy will take his rightfull place at the bottom of the pile."

Give up Dowling you're sounding desperate at this stage.
I'll make an attempt to reply to..that..when I have more time, but the last bit is the biggest joke.

[heffo]

But what about Jerry OSullivan? Where's his villification? Don't want to upset the boys?

Have you not listened to Reillers on this very issue?

JOS is ok because he's 'only there five seconds' - it matters not that he's been a long standing members of the CCB executive, was Vice-chair last year during Strike part II and was Chair this year during the third installment

If I were a betting man, I would imagine the strikers will keep him in place...

[The GAA]

well you and i can only speak for ourselves and i've never changed my stance from the start.
nor have the players i believe

I for one think it's great that the clubs are finding some balls and are beginning to empower themselves - I've no doubt over the overwhelming results coming from the clubs EGM's - I have asked on several occasions though how the attendance is controlled to ensure that it is Club chairmen & Secretaries who attend and not just the one group who haven't been elected to any position moving from club to club.

In terms of the arguments on here - it started with blackguarding Ger Mac's coaching ability, then moved to FM, then any other official who spoke up, then any poster who disagreed..

certianly hasn't been my approach. when asked to it has been necessary to explain my position on various issues - eg why gerald was unacceptable to the players - but the ridiculousness of the county executive and the obvious disregard for the good of cork football and hurling has always been my target. the players too imo.

[orangeman]

Nicky Brennan is a very silly boy - has he not realised that the trasnfer of power has already taken place The strikers have dictated who does what both now and into the future.






GAA president Nickey Brennan has stressed that the Cork county board is the only body that can make a decision on Gerald McCarthy's future, while it is thought that may be done on Thursday night.

Representatives of virtually every club in Cork voted on Sunday night to have McCarthy removed as hurling manager, but Brennan has made it clear that such meetings haven't the power to make such decisions.

Brennan said: 'The point I want to make, and it's important, is that the authority of the county board in all of this can't be questioned.'

Brennan went on: 'The board appointed Gerald McCarthy and they are the only body that can do so. He is legitimately appointed as the manager of the Cork team. The board is the body which did that democratically and it's only the board that can undo that.'

The Cork board are meeting on Thursday night in what looks to be 'a decision making night in so far as whatever they may be asked to vote on if the chairman allows a vote to be taken,' said Brennan.

Brennan also stressed once more that himself and any leading GAA officials were not getting involved in the dispute.

[The GAA]

Nicky Brennan is a very silly boy - has he not realised that the trasnfer of power has already taken place The strikers have dictated who does what both now and into the future.

You're obviously not aware that the clubs are always supposed to have power. its a new concept in cork though, i'll grant you that

[dowling]

one man's mob rule is another's majority rule obviously

Actually you're right GAA, a mob usually is a majority. But one acting unconstitutionally.





Oh cry me a river Dowling.
The only way to deal with a 65 year old man..

"When the history of Cork hurling is written Frank Murphy will take his rightfull place at the bottom of the pile."

Give up Dowling you're sounding desperate at this stage.
I'll make an attempt to reply to..that..when I have more time, but the last bit is the biggest joke.



Thanks Reillers. I forgot to mention the abuse that those with an opposing view receive when they try to express themselves.

[passedit]

I'll retract it  . Happy .

By the way I'm from vincents in Dublin. I think that's covered by the Freedom of Information act.

No I'm not, a little late for that.

Only yourself to blame reillers. You couldn't just debate the issues, you had to accuse the rest of us of not having a clue and you knew people and were in the best position to judge everything.

Thanks Reillers. I forgot to mention the abuse that those with an opposing view receive when they try to express themselves.

I'll add you to the list of hypocrites so.

And since you're all so interested in Reillers club etc, could you state your position as a one issue poster on this site. Are you best mates with Bob too or did Dessie run over your cat?