McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[Reillers]

You justify the present strike and justify the use of future strikes in certain circumstances. How is that not advocating strike action? 

The key term here is in certain circumstances[/i], there are many instances where we all would agree that doing something we ordinarily wouldn't agree with is ok, for example hitting a guy who just struck your wife/girlfriend as opposed to hitting a guy who bumped off you in a crowded pub.

Surely ther's a conflict in those two statements.

I don't see how. I haven't time now but i'll check back on what post I called rubbish and repost it for you.

I haven't said, nor do I think anyone against the srike has said, that the county board are without fault in this dispute or without faults in general. It is the pro posters who project that. My focus and I would say others is on the strike action.

Everyone seems to agree that the CB reappointed Gerald as a slap in the face to the hurlers and you agree that the democratic process is flawed and can even be manipulated by the CB yet you are trying to argue that the players should have taken this route?

Reillers can dismiss all the quotes he wants but some people saw where this was going and some didn't.

I posted a long time ago that the players would win because once the 09 panel take a few clippings in the league the pressure to get them back would be massive, that turned out to be as accurate a prediction as anything, or are you saying I was wrong?

The reality always was and always will be that the players are the real power base in the GAA, without them administrators, groundsmen, coaches, tea ladies etc. are all pointless but players realise that the other side of the coin holds true also. That players can't play without those different people helping out and because they do they'll never abuse their role, to do so would to bring the whole thing down around their ears. The only reason the players in Cork have gone on strike is because they were justified in doing so and in the end the ordinary club man saw this. If players were to ever go on strike for pay for play then they'd be turfed out and we'd get other lads in or just return to club action as the center piece of the GAA. Scare stories about the imminent destruction of teh GAA are just that, scare strories, the players know the reality of professional sport in Ireland as well as anyone here.

I understand what you're saying Zulu about certain circumstances but you're still an advocate of the use of strike action, even if it is only in certain circumstances.

But who's to define when those certain circumstances apply.

Someone may not strike back in defence of a wife for different reasons and one may be they can't justify such or maybe they would call the guards as a better way to resolve the issue.

Ya, why shouldn't he, if needed what's the problem saying it should be used.
War is needed at times even though no one wants to see it happen, it's needed.

Who's to define when those circumstance apply, no doubt the people in it, the people who feel it relevant, it is not something that people do and take lightly and no doubt if it's needed again by someone else, they will probably have thought it through.
But like I said, no one here can predict what might or mightn't happen.

[dowling]

You justify the present strike and justify the use of future strikes in certain circumstances. How is that not advocating strike action? 

The key term here is in certain circumstances[/i], there are many instances where we all would agree that doing something we ordinarily wouldn't agree with is ok, for example hitting a guy who just struck your wife/girlfriend as opposed to hitting a guy who bumped off you in a crowded pub.

Surely ther's a conflict in those two statements.

I don't see how. I haven't time now but i'll check back on what post I called rubbish and repost it for you.

I haven't said, nor do I think anyone against the srike has said, that the county board are without fault in this dispute or without faults in general. It is the pro posters who project that. My focus and I would say others is on the strike action.

Everyone seems to agree that the CB reappointed Gerald as a slap in the face to the hurlers and you agree that the democratic process is flawed and can even be manipulated by the CB yet you are trying to argue that the players should have taken this route?

Reillers can dismiss all the quotes he wants but some people saw where this was going and some didn't.

I posted a long time ago that the players would win because once the 09 panel take a few clippings in the league the pressure to get them back would be massive, that turned out to be as accurate a prediction as anything, or are you saying I was wrong?

The reality always was and always will be that the players are the real power base in the GAA, without them administrators, groundsmen, coaches, tea ladies etc. are all pointless but players realise that the other side of the coin holds true also. That players can't play without those different people helping out and because they do they'll never abuse their role, to do so would to bring the whole thing down around their ears. The only reason the players in Cork have gone on strike is because they were justified in doing so and in the end the ordinary club man saw this. If players were to ever go on strike for pay for play then they'd be turfed out and we'd get other lads in or just return to club action as the center piece of the GAA. Scare stories about the imminent destruction of teh GAA are just that, scare strories, the players know the reality of professional sport in Ireland as well as anyone here.

I understand what you're saying Zulu about certain circumstances but you're still an advocate of the use of strike action, even if it is only in certain circumstances.

But who's to define when those certain circumstances apply.

Someone may not strike back in defence of a wife for different reasons and one may be they can't justify such or maybe they would call the guards as a better way to resolve the issue.

Ya, why shouldn't he, if needed what's the problem saying it should be used.
War is needed at times even though no one wants to see it happen, it's needed.

Who's to define when those circumstance apply, no doubt the people in it, the people who feel it relevant, it is not something that people do and take lightly and no doubt if it's needed again by someone else, they will probably have thought it through.
But like I said, no one here can predict what might or mightn't happen.

Actually people can predict fairly well what might happen. Indeed did you not say something to the effect of everyone knew a war was coming?
And have you not predicted Gerald will go at some stage?

[Reillers]

You justify the present strike and justify the use of future strikes in certain circumstances. How is that not advocating strike action? 

The key term here is in certain circumstances[/i], there are many instances where we all would agree that doing something we ordinarily wouldn't agree with is ok, for example hitting a guy who just struck your wife/girlfriend as opposed to hitting a guy who bumped off you in a crowded pub.

Surely ther's a conflict in those two statements.

I don't see how. I haven't time now but i'll check back on what post I called rubbish and repost it for you.

I haven't said, nor do I think anyone against the srike has said, that the county board are without fault in this dispute or without faults in general. It is the pro posters who project that. My focus and I would say others is on the strike action.

Everyone seems to agree that the CB reappointed Gerald as a slap in the face to the hurlers and you agree that the democratic process is flawed and can even be manipulated by the CB yet you are trying to argue that the players should have taken this route?

Reillers can dismiss all the quotes he wants but some people saw where this was going and some didn't.

I posted a long time ago that the players would win because once the 09 panel take a few clippings in the league the pressure to get them back would be massive, that turned out to be as accurate a prediction as anything, or are you saying I was wrong?

The reality always was and always will be that the players are the real power base in the GAA, without them administrators, groundsmen, coaches, tea ladies etc. are all pointless but players realise that the other side of the coin holds true also. That players can't play without those different people helping out and because they do they'll never abuse their role, to do so would to bring the whole thing down around their ears. The only reason the players in Cork have gone on strike is because they were justified in doing so and in the end the ordinary club man saw this. If players were to ever go on strike for pay for play then they'd be turfed out and we'd get other lads in or just return to club action as the center piece of the GAA. Scare stories about the imminent destruction of teh GAA are just that, scare strories, the players know the reality of professional sport in Ireland as well as anyone here.

I understand what you're saying Zulu about certain circumstances but you're still an advocate of the use of strike action, even if it is only in certain circumstances.

But who's to define when those certain circumstances apply.

Someone may not strike back in defence of a wife for different reasons and one may be they can't justify such or maybe they would call the guards as a better way to resolve the issue.

Ya, why shouldn't he, if needed what's the problem saying it should be used.
War is needed at times even though no one wants to see it happen, it's needed.

Who's to define when those circumstance apply, no doubt the people in it, the people who feel it relevant, it is not something that people do and take lightly and no doubt if it's needed again by someone else, they will probably have thought it through.
But like I said, no one here can predict what might or mightn't happen.

Actually people can predict fairly well what might happen. Indeed did you not say something to the effect of everyone knew a war was coming?
And have you not predicted Gerald will go at some stage?

Are you acting like this to wind us up or can you actually not understand this?
It's obvious, it's always been obvious that the Cb couldn't get their way forever, that eventually the clubs would fight back.

But what wasn't obvious was how and when it would happen, what wasn't obvious is what happened this time. There was no way anyone could predict what would happen here months ago at the start of all of this.

How can you not understand that, it can't be more simple then that.

[dowling]

Where's that post about rumours on rebelgaa reillers

[Reillers]

Where's that post about rumours on rebelgaa reillers

I deleted it, it was from PROC, and I deleted it because it was just rumours.

Where's the response to my post Dowling?

[heffo]

Reillers - I'm not going to quote your long diatribe.

You asked me where the strikers lost my respect - they lost it when they started to put personal monetary gain ahead of the greater needs of the Cork county board and hence the GAA in Cork. Also when one of their leading strikers used the platform of his many commercial activities to spin his story.

You also claimed that the players success on the field was solely down to their own efforts - hence no other factors were involved - I would claim their on pitch success was a combination of multiple factors - not the least of which involve the efforts of countless people from their U8 hurling coach up to the many people in their club who worked tirelessly to put them where they are today - the kind of people who aren't showered with sponsored cars, or given sites to build their vast houses at cost price. The kind of GAA people who represent what the GAA means for me and many others. The kind of people who if offered the choice of self monetary gain or the better good of the GAA would choose the latter.

The strikers imo are the opposite to this and represent a GPA driven agenda which does not represent the GAA for me.

[Zulu]

You asked me where the strikers lost my respect - they lost it when they started to put personal monetary gain ahead of the greater needs of the Cork county board and hence the GAA in Cork.

Heffo you haven't a shred of evidence to support that statement and it doesn't even seem likely to be true given that most of the panel don't recieve 'monetary gain' from their IC exploits. So if you're basing you opinion on that then it's on shakey ground IMO.

[anglocelt39]

But like I said, no one here can predict what might or mightn't happen





Think you've got all bases covered there Reillers. Even I'd find it hard to disagree

[heffo]

You asked me where the strikers lost my respect - they lost it when they started to put personal monetary gain ahead of the greater needs of the Cork county board and hence the GAA in Cork.

Heffo you haven't a shred of evidence to support that statement and it doesn't even seem likely to be true given that most of the panel don't recieve 'monetary gain' from their IC exploits. So if you're basing you opinion on that then it's on shakey ground IMO.

Quite a sweeping statement there from a normally reserved considerate poster.

Do you deny there was an issue with the strikers and the sponsorship contract entered by the CCB? If you do not deny there was an issue arising out of this, do you accept that the CCB lost out financially on this and the strikers profited personally in monetary terms?

[Zulu]

Quite a sweeping statement there from a normally reserved considerate poster.

I could have said the same for yourself, if there are monetary issues involved in all of this I don't accept it is the driving issue. This IMO is a multi-layered issue and none of us can possibly know all aspects but if the players were motivated by monetary gain I would have thought remaining part of the panel would achieve it best.

[heffo]

Quite a sweeping statement there from a normally reserved considerate poster.

I could have said the same for yourself, if there are monetary issues involved in all of this I don't accept it is the driving issue. This IMO is a multi-layered issue and none of us can possibly know all aspects but if the players were motivated by monetary gain I would have thought remaining part of the panel would achieve it best.

I didn't say it was the driving issue. Reillers asked where the players lost my respect and I stated clearly where they did - when they put self gain first.

Striking certainly hasn't hurt the earning power of some of the ring leaders and their profile is now arguably far higher now than back at the time they won AI's..

[INDIANA]

You justify the present strike and justify the use of future strikes in certain circumstances. How is that not advocating strike action? 

The key term here is in certain circumstances[/i], there are many instances where we all would agree that doing something we ordinarily wouldn't agree with is ok, for example hitting a guy who just struck your wife/girlfriend as opposed to hitting a guy who bumped off you in a crowded pub.

Surely ther's a conflict in those two statements.

I don't see how. I haven't time now but i'll check back on what post I called rubbish and repost it for you.

I haven't said, nor do I think anyone against the srike has said, that the county board are without fault in this dispute or without faults in general. It is the pro posters who project that. My focus and I would say others is on the strike action.

Everyone seems to agree that the CB reappointed Gerald as a slap in the face to the hurlers and you agree that the democratic process is flawed and can even be manipulated by the CB yet you are trying to argue that the players should have taken this route?

Reillers can dismiss all the quotes he wants but some people saw where this was going and some didn't.

I posted a long time ago that the players would win because once the 09 panel take a few clippings in the league the pressure to get them back would be massive, that turned out to be as accurate a prediction as anything, or are you saying I was wrong?

The reality always was and always will be that the players are the real power base in the GAA, without them administrators, groundsmen, coaches, tea ladies etc. are all pointless but players realise that the other side of the coin holds true also. That players can't play without those different people helping out and because they do they'll never abuse their role, to do so would to bring the whole thing down around their ears. The only reason the players in Cork have gone on strike is because they were justified in doing so and in the end the ordinary club man saw this. If players were to ever go on strike for pay for play then they'd be turfed out and we'd get other lads in or just return to club action as the center piece of the GAA. Scare stories about the imminent destruction of teh GAA are just that, scare strories, the players know the reality of professional sport in Ireland as well as anyone here.

I understand what you're saying Zulu about certain circumstances but you're still an advocate of the use of strike action, even if it is only in certain circumstances.

But who's to define when those certain circumstances apply.

Someone may not strike back in defence of a wife for different reasons and one may be they can't justify such or maybe they would call the guards as a better way to resolve the issue.

Ya, why shouldn't he, if needed what's the problem saying it should be used.
War is needed at times even though no one wants to see it happen, it's needed.

Who's to define when those circumstance apply, no doubt the people in it, the people who feel it relevant, it is not something that people do and take lightly and no doubt if it's needed again by someone else, they will probably have thought it through.
But like I said, no one here can predict what might or mightn't happen.

Actually people can predict fairly well what might happen. Indeed did you not say something to the effect of everyone knew a war was coming?
And have you not predicted Gerald will go at some stage?

Are you acting like this to wind us up or can you actually not understand this?
It's obvious, it's always been obvious that the Cb couldn't get their way forever, that eventually the clubs would fight back.

But what wasn't obvious was how and when it would happen, what wasn't obvious is what happened this time. There was no way anyone could predict what would happen here months ago at the start of all of this.

How can you not understand that, it can't be more simple then that.

Some of us did predict it reillers thats the difference. I'd say you're more familiar with the munster rugby team then the inner workings of Gaa democracy.

Oh and I didn't realise you were from Bishopstown. I thought you said you were from Nemo?

[heffo]

You justify the present strike and justify the use of future strikes in certain circumstances. How is that not advocating strike action? 

The key term here is in certain circumstances[/i], there are many instances where we all would agree that doing something we ordinarily wouldn't agree with is ok, for example hitting a guy who just struck your wife/girlfriend as opposed to hitting a guy who bumped off you in a crowded pub.

Surely ther's a conflict in those two statements.

I don't see how. I haven't time now but i'll check back on what post I called rubbish and repost it for you.

I haven't said, nor do I think anyone against the srike has said, that the county board are without fault in this dispute or without faults in general. It is the pro posters who project that. My focus and I would say others is on the strike action.

Everyone seems to agree that the CB reappointed Gerald as a slap in the face to the hurlers and you agree that the democratic process is flawed and can even be manipulated by the CB yet you are trying to argue that the players should have taken this route?

Reillers can dismiss all the quotes he wants but some people saw where this was going and some didn't.

I posted a long time ago that the players would win because once the 09 panel take a few clippings in the league the pressure to get them back would be massive, that turned out to be as accurate a prediction as anything, or are you saying I was wrong?

The reality always was and always will be that the players are the real power base in the GAA, without them administrators, groundsmen, coaches, tea ladies etc. are all pointless but players realise that the other side of the coin holds true also. That players can't play without those different people helping out and because they do they'll never abuse their role, to do so would to bring the whole thing down around their ears. The only reason the players in Cork have gone on strike is because they were justified in doing so and in the end the ordinary club man saw this. If players were to ever go on strike for pay for play then they'd be turfed out and we'd get other lads in or just return to club action as the center piece of the GAA. Scare stories about the imminent destruction of teh GAA are just that, scare strories, the players know the reality of professional sport in Ireland as well as anyone here.

I understand what you're saying Zulu about certain circumstances but you're still an advocate of the use of strike action, even if it is only in certain circumstances.

But who's to define when those certain circumstances apply.

Someone may not strike back in defence of a wife for different reasons and one may be they can't justify such or maybe they would call the guards as a better way to resolve the issue.

Ya, why shouldn't he, if needed what's the problem saying it should be used.
War is needed at times even though no one wants to see it happen, it's needed.

Who's to define when those circumstance apply, no doubt the people in it, the people who feel it relevant, it is not something that people do and take lightly and no doubt if it's needed again by someone else, they will probably have thought it through.
But like I said, no one here can predict what might or mightn't happen.

Actually people can predict fairly well what might happen. Indeed did you not say something to the effect of everyone knew a war was coming?
And have you not predicted Gerald will go at some stage?

Are you acting like this to wind us up or can you actually not understand this?
It's obvious, it's always been obvious that the Cb couldn't get their way forever, that eventually the clubs would fight back.

But what wasn't obvious was how and when it would happen, what wasn't obvious is what happened this time. There was no way anyone could predict what would happen here months ago at the start of all of this.

How can you not understand that, it can't be more simple then that.

Some of us did predict it reillers thats the difference. I'd say you're more familiar with the munster rugby team then the inner workings of Gaa democracy.

You may as well be talking to the wall Indiana - all those cowardly clubs must've been reading our posts from a couple of months ago

[Reillers]

Reillers - I'm not going to quote your long diatribe.

You asked me where the strikers lost my respect - they lost it when they started to put personal monetary gain ahead of the greater needs of the Cork county board and hence the GAA in Cork. Also when one of their leading strikers used the platform of his many commercial activities to spin his story.

You also claimed that the players success on the field was solely down to their own efforts - hence no other factors were involved - I would claim their on pitch success was a combination of multiple factors - not the least of which involve the efforts of countless people from their U8 hurling coach up to the many people in ctheir club who worked tirelessly to put them where they are today - the kind of people who aren't showered with sponsored cars, or given sites to build their vast houses at cost price. The kind of GAA people who represent what the GAA means for me and many others. The kind of people who if offered the choice of self monetary gain or the better good of the GAA would choose the latter.

The strikers imo are the opposite to this and represent a GPA driven agenda which does not represent the GAA for me.

No more then Gerald did. 30/40 times he talked to the press, he was the one who made it personal. The players talked to the press 8/9 times by the time the press conference came around.
When the leading strikers use the platform to do what exactly?
Obviously there are other people involved right from at all levels in the Club. But if you read my post properlly, them as a team from 2002 on, have made themselves what they are.
And why do you go on about cars and shit like that, you've not one bit of proof and it's insulting to say it. They give everything back to the clubs. Don't lecture me about the clubs, I've been the one piping on about the clubs for all of this.
And these players have given everything back into their clubs. They respect what the clubs think, they are leaving it totally up to the clubs, they are going to get them to the table on Sunday and let them run the meeting.
They met the clubs and let them decide, if they went against them then they would disband. They respect the clubs. The CB? Have basically told them that they don't give a damn what they think and are hiding behind a rule.

They've got nothing to do with the GPA in this situation, the GPA haven't made a move on it at all, the clubs have nothing to do with the GPA at all.
How is this driven by the GPA?

[INDIANA]

Could have done it months ago Reillers thats the difference. How our Munster doing by the way?