McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[The GAA]

in all of that, the only conclusions i can draw is that you believe that

1- not one of the posters who support the stance of the players has ever (not ever) posted a concern for the general state of cork hurling because of this dispute. and,

2- you don't like the roundabout way reillers answers some of your questions.

1- is a barefaced pile of steaming manure

2- is your own problem

[The GAA]

Someone asked somewhere on this thread Reillers if you are a member of the 2008 panel and I would ask that again. Being a relative newcomer I genuinely don't know and it might be a silly question. But you say the same thing over and over again avoiding questions and insulting those of a differing opinion and if you're not I have to wonder do you have any connection with the 2008 panel.

I'm pretty sure he has said he isn't and exactly what questions has he avoided, I think this is more baseless generalisations from you, if anything Reillers has over-answered questions put to him.

FS claiming reillers doesn't answer questions takes the biscuit, only OM and indiana do that to my knowledge

I've asked him numerous times whether he now admits the 2008 panel are on strike and he refuses to answer. He spent the first three months of this thread denying they were on strike.

well anyone who doesn't think they are refusing to play until the playing conditions are addressed (on strike) is in dream land

[Reillers]

Dowling sumed it up for me. The players claim that the CB was waiting in the grass for revenge for 2002 but to me the players have been very much waiting in the grass for the CB as well. The reappointment of Ger McCarthy was the excuse they needed. One day they won't play for Ger McCarthy but will play for a CB board who it would appear is the big problem and the big target for them.

This, to me, doesn't make sense. They seem to be luring in the smaller clubs to do their dirty work for them ie bring down the CB.

Where will this stop? Will the junior clubs end up going on strike? Have the players a master plan or have they stumbled their way to this point.

Also, FM is pillored at this stage. His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy. Sean Og said himself that as a secretary he is top class but continues to see his abuses his power.

Can anyone provide a list of these "crimes"? Seriously, list half a dozen specific incidents?

Has he been using Cork stationery for his own use, letting his mates in for free or awarding his own club a bye to the county final every year? Lets hear it.

Reillers you can answer me that, please. Genuinely want to know how bad it has been.

First of all you are out of your mind if you think the players were looking for the fight. They hate doing this. Joe Deane said that waiting for the arbitration deal to come up on the computer with Donal Og was more stressful then waiting for his test results.
And you think of a minute they enjoy this, that they would seek this out. That they enjoyed being slammed in the press and questioned about their loyalty and commitment. They weren't looking for this, they have been trying to avoid this and it has gotten worse every time.
OM really has come out with some clueless posts over the few hundred pages but this takes the prize really.
I don't know why the Junior Clubs have been dragged into this.  Lowering smaller clubs to do their dirty work. That is, and I've had to put up with OM for hundreds of pages, one of tne most ridiculous posts here because it shows you have no knowledge at all, not even a little bit of what's going on in Cork, never mind Cork GAA, never mind the Junior Clubs.
The Junior Clubs get no vote.
Lane asked will the Junior Clubs get a vote on Prime Time last night, she didn't ask all the questions but she did rip the man apart.
He responded saying they all ready had a vote.
It's a yes or no answer she said.
And of course he avoided it again.
The Junior Clubs were some of the most vocal at the meeting, they despise the board. The players invited every single club there. They had no idea what the reaction would be. The players barely said two words before clubs started to vent about the CB.
What you are saying is a massive insult to the Junior Clubs, clubs in general in Cork. No respect at all.
And what about Nemo, their chairmen spoke backing the players, one of the biggest clubs in Cork..oh there most be some other reason and excuse for that right?

His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy.

Case an point. You have clearly come on here with no knowledge at all of the situation, just to bitch about the players.
The players have refused to play 3 times because of him, but he's done nothing wrong.
400 clubmen vented their frustration about FM, but he's done nothing wrong.
12000 took to the streets in Cork because of him, but he's done nothing wrong.

But oh no, never mind all that, all he's done is reappoint McCarthy. The man's a saint.

And you want me to list for God only knows how long what he's done when clearly you don't know anything about the situation and from the post just there aren't willing to except anything either, instead you insult thousands of people from hundreds of clubs and you want me to answer what FM has done. What's the point when it's clear from that post that you wont listen.

You didn't really answer that reillers. Just a half dozen examples are all the man/woman - no offence either way intended - is looking.

I will answer it if he gives me a reason to but I don't take lightly to someone thinking that our clubs can just be moved like that. It's insulting.
And besides that where I made it clear what I was going to do.
What others haven't I answered?

[heffo]

Dowling sumed it up for me. The players claim that the CB was waiting in the grass for revenge for 2002 but to me the players have been very much waiting in the grass for the CB as well. The reappointment of Ger McCarthy was the excuse they needed. One day they won't play for Ger McCarthy but will play for a CB board who it would appear is the big problem and the big target for them.

This, to me, doesn't make sense. They seem to be luring in the smaller clubs to do their dirty work for them ie bring down the CB.

Where will this stop? Will the junior clubs end up going on strike? Have the players a master plan or have they stumbled their way to this point.

Also, FM is pillored at this stage. His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy. Sean Og said himself that as a secretary he is top class but continues to see his abuses his power.

Can anyone provide a list of these "crimes"? Seriously, list half a dozen specific incidents?

Has he been using Cork stationery for his own use, letting his mates in for free or awarding his own club a bye to the county final every year? Lets hear it.

Reillers you can answer me that, please. Genuinely want to know how bad it has been.

First of all you are out of your mind if you think the players were looking for the fight. They hate doing this. Joe Deane said that waiting for the arbitration deal to come up on the computer with Donal Og was more stressful then waiting for his test results.
And you think of a minute they enjoy this, that they would seek this out. That they enjoyed being slammed in the press and questioned about their loyalty and commitment. They weren't looking for this, they have been trying to avoid this and it has gotten worse every time.
OM really has come out with some clueless posts over the few hundred pages but this takes the prize really.
I don't know why the Junior Clubs have been dragged into this.  Lowering smaller clubs to do their dirty work. That is, and I've had to put up with OM for hundreds of pages, one of tne most ridiculous posts here because it shows you have no knowledge at all, not even a little bit of what's going on in Cork, never mind Cork GAA, never mind the Junior Clubs.
The Junior Clubs get no vote.
Lane asked will the Junior Clubs get a vote on Prime Time last night, she didn't ask all the questions but she did rip the man apart.
He responded saying they all ready had a vote.
It's a yes or no answer she said.
And of course he avoided it again.
The Junior Clubs were some of the most vocal at the meeting, they despise the board. The players invited every single club there. They had no idea what the reaction would be. The players barely said two words before clubs started to vent about the CB.
What you are saying is a massive insult to the Junior Clubs, clubs in general in Cork. No respect at all.
And what about Nemo, their chairmen spoke backing the players, one of the biggest clubs in Cork..oh there most be some other reason and excuse for that right?

His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy.

Case an point. You have clearly come on here with no knowledge at all of the situation, just to bitch about the players.
The players have refused to play 3 times because of him, but he's done nothing wrong.
400 clubmen vented their frustration about FM, but he's done nothing wrong.
12000 took to the streets in Cork because of him, but he's done nothing wrong.

But oh no, never mind all that, all he's done is reappoint McCarthy. The man's a saint.

And you want me to list for God only knows how long what he's done when clearly you don't know anything about the situation and from the post just there aren't willing to except anything either, instead you insult thousands of people from hundreds of clubs and you want me to answer what FM has done. What's the point when it's clear from that post that you wont listen.

You didn't really answer that reillers. Just a half dozen examples are all the man/woman - no offence either way intended - is looking.

What others haven't I answered?

Whether you admit the 2008 panel are now on strike

[Zulu]

Zulu said, "The players have clearly highlighted the fact that Cork GAA isn't working properly and this ghas energised the clubs to take a more proactive role in what is going on a CB level. By taking the action they've taken the players have shone a light on Cork GAA at CB level an to a degree on the whole GAA and for that we should be thankful."

I'll take this at face value. Every county has problems and differ according to whom you're talking. If problems need addressed in Cork fair enough but don't for one minute try to convince me that there was ever any thought of the greater good of the county in the players' actions. And if Gerald was to walk away today all this focus the players are trying to bring would evaporate and don't kid yourself otherwise. In such a situation we might get a statement from the players saying the need now is to get back to business and put all the recriminations behind us.
And Zulu the likes of yourself and others keep going on about delegates misrepresenting clubs. There's no way of measuring the extent of that but pro posters are throwing it around as if there will be a total turnaround. Well see.
I lump everyone together? And you describe my post as "rubbish". Is that not insulting language, irrespective of whether or not a lot worse could be used.
But to prove it's rubbish show me where a pro poster has expressed concern about the current mess.

I'm not trying to convince you that the players had the greater good of Cork in mind when they went on strike I'm merely pointing out that this could be a by product of their actions and hopefully will be so. It is time clubs took back the power from CB executives.

As for the delegate issue, it doesn't matter how many delegates misrepresented their clubs, the fact that any of them did at all is very telling especially when they are representing numerous clubs. It shows that there are delegates who can't be trusted to deliver their clubs views if they don't agree with them, which supports the pro-players contention that democracy isn't what it should be in Cork.

It's hardly insulting to call someone's post rubbish if that's what it is, sorry now Dowling but you have posted a number of generalizations without a shred of evidence to support them. The latest being pro-player posters don't care about Cork GAA, I certainly have expressed that view and I wouldn't be posting on this topic if I didn't care. However I'm not about to trawl through 250 odd pages for quotes to back it up, if you want it you find it, but I assure you it is there.

[bingobus]

Dowling sumed it up for me. The players claim that the CB was waiting in the grass for revenge for 2002 but to me the players have been very much waiting in the grass for the CB as well. The reappointment of Ger McCarthy was the excuse they needed. One day they won't play for Ger McCarthy but will play for a CB board who it would appear is the big problem and the big target for them.

This, to me, doesn't make sense. They seem to be luring in the smaller clubs to do their dirty work for them ie bring down the CB.

Where will this stop? Will the junior clubs end up going on strike? Have the players a master plan or have they stumbled their way to this point.

Also, FM is pillored at this stage. His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy. Sean Og said himself that as a secretary he is top class but continues to see his abuses his power.

Can anyone provide a list of these "crimes"? Seriously, list half a dozen specific incidents?

Has he been using Cork stationery for his own use, letting his mates in for free or awarding his own club a bye to the county final every year? Lets hear it.

Reillers you can answer me that, please. Genuinely want to know how bad it has been.

First of all you are out of your mind if you think the players were looking for the fight. They hate doing this. Joe Deane said that waiting for the arbitration deal to come up on the computer with Donal Og was more stressful then waiting for his test results.
And you think of a minute they enjoy this, that they would seek this out. That they enjoyed being slammed in the press and questioned about their loyalty and commitment. They weren't looking for this, they have been trying to avoid this and it has gotten worse every time.
OM really has come out with some clueless posts over the few hundred pages but this takes the prize really.
I don't know why the Junior Clubs have been dragged into this.  Lowering smaller clubs to do their dirty work. That is, and I've had to put up with OM for hundreds of pages, one of tne most ridiculous posts here because it shows you have no knowledge at all, not even a little bit of what's going on in Cork, never mind Cork GAA, never mind the Junior Clubs.
The Junior Clubs get no vote.
Lane asked will the Junior Clubs get a vote on Prime Time last night, she didn't ask all the questions but she did rip the man apart.
He responded saying they all ready had a vote.
It's a yes or no answer she said.
And of course he avoided it again.
The Junior Clubs were some of the most vocal at the meeting, they despise the board. The players invited every single club there. They had no idea what the reaction would be. The players barely said two words before clubs started to vent about the CB.
What you are saying is a massive insult to the Junior Clubs, clubs in general in Cork. No respect at all.
And what about Nemo, their chairmen spoke backing the players, one of the biggest clubs in Cork..oh there most be some other reason and excuse for that right?

His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy.

Case an point. You have clearly come on here with no knowledge at all of the situation, just to bitch about the players.
The players have refused to play 3 times because of him, but he's done nothing wrong.
400 clubmen vented their frustration about FM, but he's done nothing wrong.
12000 took to the streets in Cork because of him, but he's done nothing wrong.

But oh no, never mind all that, all he's done is reappoint McCarthy. The man's a saint.

And you want me to list for God only knows how long what he's done when clearly you don't know anything about the situation and from the post just there aren't willing to except anything either, instead you insult thousands of people from hundreds of clubs and you want me to answer what FM has done. What's the point when it's clear from that post that you wont listen.

Reillers, no harm to you, but you are blinded by your own rage at this stage.

You rip into all you want, if it makes you feel more a GAA man and proud cork man. I have followed this thread and you have never answered questions without mentioned 12,000 men/women/children who marched in Cork, now every post you make seems to mention Primetime.

I asked questions that I wanted to know but to date you haven't addressed them in the slightest. I know very little about Cork GAA and hence, I asked the questions. I'm very well aware of the problems pre 2002 and rightly they where addressed. But if the problems continue, what are they?

Also, how did I insult Junior Clubs? By asking if they are going to bring down the CB? Cop yourself on. 

[The GAA]

I don't know why i should be defending myself to you but

It's hardly insulting to call someone's post rubbish if that's what it is, sorry now Dowling but you have posted a number of generalizations without a shred of evidence to support them. The latest being pro-player posters don't care about Cork GAA, I certainly have expressed that view and I wouldn't be posting on this topic if I didn't care. However I'm not about to trawl through 250 odd pages for quotes to back it up, if you want it you find it, but I assure you it is there.

goes for me too.

But by all means fire away with the generalities if you think it puts a bit of flesh on your arguments

[orangeman]

Dowling sumed it up for me. The players claim that the CB was waiting in the grass for revenge for 2002 but to me the players have been very much waiting in the grass for the CB as well. The reappointment of Ger McCarthy was the excuse they needed. One day they won't play for Ger McCarthy but will play for a CB board who it would appear is the big problem and the big target for them.

This, to me, doesn't make sense. They seem to be luring in the smaller clubs to do their dirty work for them ie bring down the CB.

Where will this stop? Will the junior clubs end up going on strike? Have the players a master plan or have they stumbled their way to this point.

Also, FM is pillored at this stage. His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy. Sean Og said himself that as a secretary he is top class but continues to see his abuses his power.

Can anyone provide a list of these "crimes"? Seriously, list half a dozen specific incidents?

Has he been using Cork stationery for his own use, letting his mates in for free or awarding his own club a bye to the county final every year? Lets hear it.

[/b]


I'm interested in this as well - so in your own time lads please.

[The GAA]

I know for a fact that they've been listed on this thread before for you dougal.

do your own searching...

[orangeman]

I know for a fact that they've been listed on this thread before for you dougal.

do your own searching...

Sean - they haven't.

[orangeman]

I don't know why i should be defending myself to you but

It's hardly insulting to call someone's post rubbish if that's what it is, sorry now Dowling but you have posted a number of generalizations without a shred of evidence to support them. The latest being pro-player posters don't care about Cork GAA, I certainly have expressed that view and I wouldn't be posting on this topic if I didn't care. However I'm not about to trawl through 250 odd pages for quotes to back it up, if you want it you find it, but I assure you it is there.

goes for me too.

But by all means fire away with the generalities if you think it puts a bit of flesh on your arguments

[/b]


You're operating away there with generalities of your own - a few specifics would be nice.

[dowling]

Right just to save anyone the bother of typing out any questions. The answers can be found in previous posts on this thread, you'll just have to go and look for them.

[Zulu]

Taken from rebelgaa..posted originally by Lebump

This is the same County Board who voted against the formation of All-Ireland Club Championships back in the 70's.

This is the same County board who voted against live television coverage back in the late 80's ( i stand corrected on the timimg, could have been early 90's).

This is the same county board who voted against Rule 42 despite delegates/clubs voting overwhelmingly in favor of it.

This is the same county board who appointed Teddy Holland, with a huge majority from the delegates, only to fire him weeks later with an even bigger majority.

This is the same county board who have been involved in 3 player strikes in a decade.

This is the same coun ty board who shafted Billy Morgan - TWICE.

This is the same County board who made grown men parade around PUC before a munster final with black tape over a jersy makers sign.

This is the same County board who voted against the introduction of Sponsorship.

This is the same county board who have done NOTHING to improve underage systems within the County as we fall further and further behind the likes of Kerry, Tipp and KK.

This is the same County board who were slammed in the recent CP report.

This is the same county board who laugh at the thought of 10k people marching in the streets of Cork.

Add in Frank dictating changes to managers during championship matches, an AI being one such occasion if I'm not mistaken and the renovation of PUC with the smallest seats in any stadium in Ireland, overseeing the demise of hurling in Cork city, the total lack of promotion of football in Cork (outside the heartlands), and the lack of development officers in Cork.

I've heard stories of strokes pulled by Frank from good scources in relation to Billy Morgan and some others but i can't recall the details, if i can get them confirmed I'll post them but all the above points, which vary in magnitude, indicate a CB very much out of touch with progress and inward looking. We are lucky that Cork is such a massive GAA county and I can say having lived in both Cork and Limerick city that Cork is a GAA town and a pleasure to live in from that respect but Frank and his fellow CB are overseeing it's demise through their pettiness. Remember this guy is a paid official of the GAA, yet numerous of Corks greatest servants aren't on speaking terms with him.

Right just to save anyone the bother of typing out any questions. The answers can be found in previous posts on this thread, you'll just have to go and look for them.

So you expect others to trawl through the thread to find answers to question you ask when you can do that yourself?

[Reillers]

Dowling sumed it up for me. The players claim that the CB was waiting in the grass for revenge for 2002 but to me the players have been very much waiting in the grass for the CB as well. The reappointment of Ger McCarthy was the excuse they needed. One day they won't play for Ger McCarthy but will play for a CB board who it would appear is the big problem and the big target for them.

This, to me, doesn't make sense. They seem to be luring in the smaller clubs to do their dirty work for them ie bring down the CB.

Where will this stop? Will the junior clubs end up going on strike? Have the players a master plan or have they stumbled their way to this point.

Also, FM is pillored at this stage. His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy. Sean Og said himself that as a secretary he is top class but continues to see his abuses his power.

Can anyone provide a list of these "crimes"? Seriously, list half a dozen specific incidents?

Has he been using Cork stationery for his own use, letting his mates in for free or awarding his own club a bye to the county final every year? Lets hear it.

Reillers you can answer me that, please. Genuinely want to know how bad it has been.

First of all you are out of your mind if you think the players were looking for the fight. They hate doing this. Joe Deane said that waiting for the arbitration deal to come up on the computer with Donal Og was more stressful then waiting for his test results.
And you think of a minute they enjoy this, that they would seek this out. That they enjoyed being slammed in the press and questioned about their loyalty and commitment. They weren't looking for this, they have been trying to avoid this and it has gotten worse every time.
OM really has come out with some clueless posts over the few hundred pages but this takes the prize really.
I don't know why the Junior Clubs have been dragged into this.  Lowering smaller clubs to do their dirty work. That is, and I've had to put up with OM for hundreds of pages, one of tne most ridiculous posts here because it shows you have no knowledge at all, not even a little bit of what's going on in Cork, never mind Cork GAA, never mind the Junior Clubs.
The Junior Clubs get no vote.
Lane asked will the Junior Clubs get a vote on Prime Time last night, she didn't ask all the questions but she did rip the man apart.
He responded saying they all ready had a vote.
It's a yes or no answer she said.
And of course he avoided it again.
The Junior Clubs were some of the most vocal at the meeting, they despise the board. The players invited every single club there. They had no idea what the reaction would be. The players barely said two words before clubs started to vent about the CB.
What you are saying is a massive insult to the Junior Clubs, clubs in general in Cork. No respect at all.
And what about Nemo, their chairmen spoke backing the players, one of the biggest clubs in Cork..oh there most be some other reason and excuse for that right?

His crimes seem to be that he voted his own way at Congress a few years back and then reappointed Ger McCarthy.

Case an point. You have clearly come on here with no knowledge at all of the situation, just to bitch about the players.
The players have refused to play 3 times because of him, but he's done nothing wrong.
400 clubmen vented their frustration about FM, but he's done nothing wrong.
12000 took to the streets in Cork because of him, but he's done nothing wrong.

But oh no, never mind all that, all he's done is reappoint McCarthy. The man's a saint.

And you want me to list for God only knows how long what he's done when clearly you don't know anything about the situation and from the post just there aren't willing to except anything either, instead you insult thousands of people from hundreds of clubs and you want me to answer what FM has done. What's the point when it's clear from that post that you wont listen.

Reillers, no harm to you, but you are blinded by your own rage at this stage.

You rip into all you want, if it makes you feel more a GAA man and proud cork man. I have followed this thread and you have never answered questions without mentioned 12,000 men/women/children who marched in Cork, now every post you make seems to mention Primetime.

I asked questions that I wanted to know but to date you haven't addressed them in the slightest. I know very little about Cork GAA and hence, I asked the questions. I'm very well aware of the problems pre 2002 and rightly they where addressed. But if the problems continue, what are they?

Also, how did I insult Junior Clubs? By asking if they are going to bring down the CB? Cop yourself on. 

Well clearly I have seeing as the march was only on a few weeks ago, and I do not always mention it, only when I think it's relevant.  
Every post mentions Primetime, that was on late last night. I've brought it up when I saw relevant.
You came on here with no knowledge of the situation at all, you like I said insulted the clubs, and bashed the players. Now will you listen to what I say or just twist them and make comments like you have. Because I'm not wasting my time if it is, which to be honest from your post, it's what you seem most likely to do.

You said the Junior clubs, you think that they and small clubs luring in the smaller clubs to do their dirty work for them ie bring down the CB.

You think that little of the clubs that you think they can be lured. The CB has done enough on it's own to those small clubs on it's own, to every club, they need no provoking by the players. They have been burned and mistreated by the CB too many times.
This is long passed the players. It has gotten to the point where the CB has clearly shown what they think of the clubs, on the back of the Echo today it had County Board has all the power (or something to that wording.) And it's true, they do. And it doesn't matter a dalm what the rest of us think because they have a stupide technicality to fall back on. The only part of the job that Murphy does extremley well, the reason why everyone in the GAA turns to him for advise on rules. He wrote the rule book.
They did continue at a constant level, and a lot of which were at club level, not just IC. There are so many problems at clubs and this is distracting them from dealing with the real problems.

[orangeman]

It's not too long ago since Cork players were carrying Frank Murphy shoulder high after getting players off on appeals.

Short memories !!


Frank is some man for one man !