McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[Reillers]

Galway without the Canning's aren't Galway. They are a shadow of a team.

Galway without the Cannings are a shadow of a team ?

I am really trying not to be insulting but the only thing thats going through my mind after reading that is that your some kind of kid that never grew up.

And Dublin played a lot better against Galway then they did against Cork, the Cork game was shocking.

Theres a word for people who think like this.

Running Dublin close..Dublin..yipee. That sums up the dispute, running Dublin close is pathetic.
And moral victories, yay..that'll win us lots and lots of tropheys. We'll have morale victories all the way to relegation.

You really ARE a kid that never grew up.

How many years of winning no silverware would it take for you to abandon following hurling ? I'm willing to bet very few.

Ok, ok. Watch this and tell me that Tipp were good.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html?features

And Dublin was poor game, and Dublin themselves aren't that good, played a lot better against Galway and Galway without the so called new king of hurling and his older brother who's pretty handy to say the least, aren't the same team. Last time I checked when Cork played Galway Canning scored every single Galway point except one.
Obviously they are not going to be the same with out the so called golden child.

You wont find a Tipp fan who thinks they played well against Cork and you wont find a Galway fan, hell you wont find any fan, except you apparently, who doesn't think that a team without the Canning's are a shadow of a team.

And yet Cork still got trashed by both.

That is not an opinion, it's fact. Yet I'm childish for saying, feck off.

[Reillers]

This White business is nothing but spin.

He was just on RTE1 there and he said from his sources that the players are willing to work with Gerald if there is a new coach appointed and news selectors appointed by this new coach and Gerald. They said they do not want to pick the new selectors. He also said the players agreed to 6 out of the 7 croke park points and he finally appealed to all club chairmen to attend tomorrow, where it seems the players will outline their ideas and he hoped a new solution could be put on the table for tuesday nights CCB meeting.

[dowling]

This White business is nothing but spin.

He was just on RTE1 there and he said from his sources that the players are willing to work with Gerald if there is a new coach appointed and news selectors appointed by this new coach and Gerald. They said they do not want to pick the new selectors. He also said the players agreed to 6 out of the 7 croke park points and he finally appealed to all club chairmen to attend tomorrow, where it seems the players will outline their ideas and he hoped a new solution could be put on the table for tuesday nights CCB meeting.

Don't this can be taken as spin Reillers, maybe White was just covering his back or maybe even the 200 panel's backs. But if it is true what the panel are now saying is they want to change what they went on strike for last year; that is the manager to be able to pick his selectors. The way I heard the interview on the radio was the 200 panel wanted a say in picking those selectors in this proposal.

[realrebel]

reillers
its not spin the players have comfirmed to finbarr mc carthy that its true
they are willing to play under gerald mc carthy
goalposts moving again i see

[Zulu]

Jesus yer some lads alright, all we've heard off pro-CB posters is that discussion and compromise is needed by all parties, now you say the players are willing to play under Gerald, but not some of the selectors (I haven't heard this myself but I'm not doubting you) and it's goal post moving, is this not in fact compromise?

[Uladh]

The county board are wrong.
The county board execuive are wrong.
Frank Murphy is wrong.Jerry O'Sullivan is wrong and is an apologist for the board.
Gerald Mc Carthy are wrong.
His backroom team are wrong.
Those who turned up to support the young lads are wrong.The young lads are wrong and shouldn't have played, as this would have been sorted out long before now if they had resisted the temptation to don the red jersey.
Croke Park are wrong.Kieran Mulvey was wrong.
Olann Kelleher wasn't listened to.
Mulcahy, JBM and a string of other legends were listened to.
Pro Mc Carthy posters are wrong and haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
The club delegates deliberately went against the wishes of their clubs and voted in favour of the board when their clubs instructed them to vote against the board - so they're all wrong as well.


But the 2008 panel are right - 100% right.

What is a post like this supposed to add?

[Uladh]

Since every time i check this board Orangeman you are making the most noise i thought i'd ask you to fill in some of the blanks you've created...

If you get a bit of time:

If someone was abusing you a year I'd say it wasn't good enough.
If someone pointed out to you that it wasn't good enough and a year later the abuse was still going on, I'd say it still wasn't good enough.
If the abuse continued for another year or two, and even though it was pointed out to you,I'd still say it wasn't good enough.


If however the abuse continued for the best part of 30 years and it had been constantly pointed out to you what was going on and that something should have been done about it, I'd say that it was your own fault for stiitng back, taking the abuse and not doing something about it.

Same here in Cork - you know the thing's not right and you do not nothing about it.


Whose fault is it really ?

So, are you admitting there is widespread abuse of power over a prolonged period of time in cork?

Appoint Mc Carthy for 5 years and he'll win at least 3 All Irelands with these lads if the progress of the past month is anything to go by.

How would you anticipate this being achieved given that he hasn't been able to win anything with the best players in cork?

That's what I meant by the strikers stirring the pot - they've been saying one thing and doing another from day one but telling their journo friends like Keys some other story .

Could you substantiate some of those allegations. one or two example would be grand.

Of course there was unhappiness at the meeting - the 2008 panel won't budge.

But you said they had movedon all but one of the issues? which is it?

[Uladh]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0220/cork.html

Friday, 20 February 2009 22:33
Cork County Board delegates have finished tonight's meeting to discuss the current impasse on Leeside.

Chairman Jerry O'Sullivan informed delegates of the events over the past 24 hours and of the failure to reach a solution with the hurlers and officials at Croke Park on Thursday.

O'Sullivan also read a statement from manager Gerald McCarthy, in which he said he had been informed by Croke Park officials that the 2008 panel had been willing to work alongside him.

GAA Director-General Pauric Duffy and President-elect Christy Cooney met with the players, Gerald McCarthy and the Cork County Board on Thursday in talks that lasted almost 12 hours.

A document released by the GAA revealed a number of proposals put to all parties in an effort to seek a compromise.

The proposals included; the hurlers making themselves available for selection again, the addition of an extra county selector and member of McCarthy's backroom staff acceptable to all parties and a wholesale review of the systems in place in Cork GAA.

However, the striking players and the county board never actually came face-to-face during the talks, and no solution to the impasse was found.

The striking players are seeking the support of the county's clubs this weekend.

Disappointing that the substance of these discussions have to be leaked by any side. The only reason McCarthy would betray that trust can be for personal satisfaction surely?
Certainly i don't see how doing so brings a reconciliation any closer.

[Rossfan]

That orangeman is well named .... "I dont care how much proof ye have that the earth is round it's flat I tell ye"

[orangeman]

This is what Breheny is suggesting today : throw the whole lot of them out now.



Charge them now

IN a bizarre by-product of last year's strikes by Cork's footballers and hurlers, Wexford have been told by the GAA's Management Committee that they could face a charge of bringing the association into disrepute. Their 'crime' was to criticise the manner in which the Cork affair had been handled, in particular welcoming the Rebels back into the Allianz Leagues after missing the first two rounds in hurling and football.

Wexford weren't the only county who thought it wrong to allow Cork to return to the Leagues, which had been seriously distorted by their strike action.

In fairness to Croke Park, they pointed out that Cork's re-admission was one of the conditions attached to the Kieran Mulvey settlement deal. However, it still seemed crazy that, while Wexford were being threatened with disrepute charges, Cork escaped with a small fine for missing four League games.

Almost a year on, Cork are again in strike mode, with their top hurlers outside the county panel and the footballers declaring that they won't play in the championship if the dispute isn't resolved to everybody's satisfaction.

An attempt by Croke Park to broker a deal ended in failure on Thursday night. In what must have been a deeply embarrassing night for incoming president, Cork's very own Christy Cooney (accompanied by GAA director general Paraic Duffy), the feuding parties weren't even in the same room.

Complex

If ever proof were needed that reality and perspective have long since been casualties in a ridiculous war, this was it. Over centuries, many of the most entrenched enemies in world disputes have dealt with each other across a table, working through seriously complex issues to arrive at a solution.

Yet Cork hurlers, coaches, selectors and Board members wouldn't even enter the one room. Do they all take themselves so seriously that they regard the dispute over who should manage the team as a sporting parallel of the Israel-Palestine conflict when, in reality, it's no more than a local squabble dominated by arrogance and ego?

It would be fine if the rest of the GAA world could ignore Cork and their dysfunctional ways but, in reality, that's not possible because of the distortion the strikes are having on national competitions. That's why it's time Croke Park and the other 31 counties began to apply pressure.

Croke Park have tried negotiation, diplomacy and persuasion and all three have failed. Now it's time to adopt a more stern approach.

Three key questions arise at a time when the dispute is looking more intractable than ever.

1. When will the GAA charge Cork with the misconduct which has discredited the association?

2. When will other counties tell Cork that they are furious over the ongoing rows which have distorted the Allianz Leagues for two seasons and which are now threatening to do the same to this year's championships?

3. When will the disputing parties realise that failure to find a solution to a row over who manages a hurling team looks pathetic at a time when most people in the country are worried over real issues such as employment, living standards, security and their future?

What greater misconduct could be perpetrated than presiding over a county which has been racked by three strikes since 2002? Boards have a responsibility to create the framework which ensures that counties have their best teams in action at all times. If they're incapable of doing that, then they should resign.

That's not to say that the Cork County Board is the sole guilty party in the latest mess. Whatever way they attempt to decorate it, the 2008 squad are vetoing McCarthy as manager. If he stepped aside and somebody else who wasn't to their liking was appointed, would it be the same? Would the trend continue until such time as the players were allowed to make their own appointment?

There has been a tendency for other counties to ignore the Cork dispute as if it had no impact on them, which is most certainly not the case.

The absence of the 2008 squad is seriously distorting the NHL Division 1 campaign and if, as seems likely, there is to be no solution, the same will apply to the Munster and All-Ireland championships.

Also, if Cork hurlers are relegated -- which is a high probability -- and the dispute is resolved before next year, Division 2 will be unfairly lopsided in 2010. Cork will be far too strong for teams in the lower group, thereby robbing seven other squads of the chance of promotion.

So while Cork march merrily back to Division 1, the seven others will remain in Division 2 when, in ordinary circumstances, one of them would have been promoted.

There's an even more disturbing backdrop to the footballers' threat to withdraw from the senior championships unless the dispute is resolved. If they opt out after the league, it's difficult to see how a new panel could be put together for the Munster championship clash with Waterford on May 24.

In that scenario, Cork wouldn't even be represented in the championship.

Rule 123 (b) states that "a county failing to fulfil a championship fixture shall be disqualified and suspended for 48 weeks".

Does this mean that if Cork didn't field a senior football team in the Munster championship, their other teams in all grades would be disqualified too?

Ireland -- and indeed the world -- was a different place when Cork wrecked the 2008 leagues through strike. It was easier to lose perspective in a more prosperous era.

A year on, most people are extremely concerned by their personal circumstances now and in the future. That applies to the Cork public too, including, no doubt, many of the players, Board and team management.

Yet despite the changed times, agreement can't be reached on who manages the senior hurlers. Do those involved realise how idiotic that looks?

Presumably they do, but it would appear they are so tied up in their own narrow view of the world that they can't untie the knot even if they know it's the right thing to do. How pathetic is that?

[Reillers]

This is a load of confusing spin, because no one knows exactly what's going on. You've got people left right and centre saying different things.
And God forbid if it is true, that the players do comprimise, see all of this is just showing the anti player posters on here for what they really are, they don't give to shits about the circumstances or the actions or what's really going on, they just want to bitch about the players.
THey don't care that clubs weren't represented the way they should, they'll find excuses for that.
Then they bitch about not willing to comprimise and now they are bitching about them comprimising. Why don't ye just grow a pair and admit why yere really on here and have been for all these pages. Ye couldn't care less what's going on, ye just LOVE bitching and moaning, whinging and crying about the players. It doesn't matter who says what or who does what, nothings ever good enough and it's always the players fault. In the last few days with the clubs coming out and saying what's really happening, ye, the likes of OM and Dowling, have been shown for what ye really are. Nothing but anti players posters who would love nothing more if the situation wasn't resolved and they were all kicked out because clearly it doesn't matter what anyone says or does. It's anti players all the way.

[Reillers]

Proposal to play under McCarthy 'not on table'

SEAN MORAN GAA Correspondent

GAA STATEMENT ON CORK CRISIS: LAST NIGHT the Cork county board held an extraordinary meeting in order to brief delegates on Thursday night's failed attempt by Croke Park to broker a deal between last year's county hurling panel and the county executive over the re-appointment of manager Gerald McCarthy.

LAST NIGHT the Cork county board held an extraordinary meeting in order to brief delegates on Thursday night's failed attempt by Croke Park to broker a deal between last year's county hurling panel and the county executive over the re-appointment of manager Gerald McCarthy.

One delegate, Alan White from Blarney, informed the meeting that it was his information that the players would be prepared to play under McCarthy were his backroom team to be replaced. The county executive said that it was unaware of this.

It has been confirmed that this proposal was not on the table on Thursday night and whereas one players' source was non-committal about the proposal he added that he felt it was "unlikely" that it would be accepted.

Before the county board meeting was a document, released to the public yesterday, in which the GAA nationally set out its proposals for resolving the impasse. But despite lengthy talks between the GAA's director general Páraic Duffy and president-elect Christy Cooney and the parties in Cork, the proposed resolution was not accepted by the players.

That was no surprise given that the document included the proposal to keep McCarthy as manager until the end of the year albeit with the addition of another selector and another coach to the management team. The players had made it clear that they wouldn't return while McCarthy is manager and that position didn't change during eight hours of proximity talks.

Tomorrow evening in Cork the 2008 players are due to meet with club representatives including chairpersons in order to present their side of the argument with a view to persuading the clubs to exert pressure on the county board to review the decision to re-appoint McCarthy.

This was postponed from last weekend because of the passing of Gerald McCarthy's mother.

County chair Jerry O'Sullivan has, however, already said that he will not allow the matter to be revisited but already there has been movement within the clubs. Carrigtwohill will be holding an extraordinary meeting in response to a petition of members requesting a meeting to discuss the crisis.

In the document containing the Croke Park proposal – presented as an "indivisible" set of recommendations – there are some eye-catching details, committing the county board to accepting a number of interventions in the affairs of Cork by outside agencies.

Someone would be appointed to review best practice in relation to inter-county management and present recommendations for implementation.

There would also be a "review (to be carried out by an independent body appointed by Croke Park) of all aspects of the relationships between, on the one hand, players at senior inter-county level in both hurling and football and, on the other, the management teams and the county board" at the end of this season.

This would recommend a system for appointing a manager for 2010.

There would also be a strategic plan for the promotion of Gaelic Games within Cork, based on a thorough review of the county's activities – a process to be facilitated by Croke Park. Had it been accepted the agreement would have superseded the agreement reached a year ago through the mediation of LRC chief executive Kieran Mulvey.

[Reillers]

Gah was just on 96FM saying that the players never agreed to play for Ger Mac and that they are incensed with the reports in the media today....like I said spin. I wonder what White got in return for this little sneaky move from the CB. It's just more spin from the CCB and their PR machine before tomorrow night.

[INDIANA]

from hoganstand so it must be true.




The 2008 Cork senior hurling squad have made an major concession by indicating their willingness to play under Gerald McCarthy this season, as long as he changes his selectors.

The squad confirmed the news before their training season this morning at Na Piarsaigh and McCarthy has also revealed that the players are willing to don the Rebel jersey under his guidance once more.

The Evening Echo has reported that the players will return if three of McCarthy's four selectors are removed and a new coach also installed.



The current selection team is made up for Ger Fitzgerald, Teddy McCarthy, Johnny Keane and John Mortell.

McCarthy issued a letter to Friday's Cork County Board meeting indicating that he was happy that dialogue had started.

"I am happy that talks have commenced," commented McCarthy. "Hopefully they can continue, but we should have started this process four months ago.

"The important thing for me is to get everybody back hurling as soon as possible to safeguard the future of Cork hurling."

McCarthy also told of the moment he was informed by incoming GAA President Christy Cooney and Director General Pauric Duffy that the 2008 players were willing to return under him.

"Being a little surprised, I asked what they meant. They said the players had no problem playing for me."

The news comes as a major boost to the chances of all parties settling their differences and the chances of a full strength Cork side contesting this year's Munster championship.

[Rossfan]

Dónal óg,Gardiner Seán óg were on RTE News this evening saying they never said they had agreed to play under GMac and that it was disgraceful spin (presumably by Co Board) trying to scupper a meeting the players had arranged with the Club Chairmen.
I think Croke Park needs to set aside the entire Cork Co board for 2 years and run the show themselves.
Most counties have spats etc from time to time but it usually gets sorted out and everyone moves on but this Cork nonsense is repeating since 2002.