McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[orangeman]

Read the comments of the Cork CB treasurer to get a flavour of how easy these lads were to manage. His comments are in today's Independent.

Link?

I don't have one at the moment but I'll try and put it up later on Heffo - you'll find it revealing to say the least.

[dowling]

Donal Og Cusack on behalf of the Cork hurlers has issued a statement through the GPA to players in all 32 counties explaining the reasons for the ongoing dispute in the Rebel County.

The statement explains why the dispute arose and makes it clear that as a group of players, the Cork panel have no wish to pick a manager. They explain that they had issues with Gerald McCarthy and as long as he was not reappointed manager they would have been happy with any other coach.

Additionally Cusack says that many players on other counties might feel distanced from the dispute in Cork because of excellent relationships they have with their own county boards, what is happening in Cork has implications for the way players are treated nationally.

The statement in full reads:


Dear Players,

We, the Cork hurling panel of 2008, are writing to you as an inter-county colleague to inform you of the facts behind our current dispute with the Cork Co Board executive and team management.

We believe it is important for every county footballer and hurler to be aware of the situation because of the misleading spin being produced by our critics, in particular the claim that we are 'unreasonable'. We are not. We are passionate, committed hurling men who, together as a united panel, have taken a stand to ensure that the best standards are applied to every element of our preparation. There has been NO intimidation of younger players by senior members of the panel and everything we do and say, is arrived at by consensus.

We have no delusions about who we are or what we're about. We make no secret about our ambition to win for Cork but we do not complain when mistakes are made or games are lost; when there is a better team against us, we will be defeated; all we have sought since 2002 is that there is a genuine intention in our county to work together for one purpose. Yet again, the Cork Co Board Executive under the leadership of Secretary Frank Murphy has ensured that this cannot happen.

It is no coincidence that most of the regularly successful counties and management teams enjoy good relationships with their county boards with efficient lines of communication operating at all times. These are essentials.

Despite the fact that Gerald McCarthy is at the centre of the current impasse and has chosen to personalise it, the origins of the dispute lie firmly in the actions of the Cork panel in 2002 when a stand was taken against the Co Board executive to improve preparation standards and conditions. This action was taken despite severe intimidation by certain officials. We believed, passionately, that in the pursuit of excellence, an excellent environment must first be created. In the eyes of a number of officials, we had committed an act of treason and they have taken every opportunity since then, to undermine and divide the squad.

Since 2002, the Cork hurling public and indeed the GAA public at large has been misled by a Cork executive driven by an agenda to take back 'control' at all or any cost. We would like to put the record straight for our playing colleagues.

This is the sequence of events which have led to the current situation.

- As part of the resolution to the dispute involving the appointment of the Cork football manager in 2006/2007, we were given a role in the selection process for the appointment of the hurling manager in 2009. We entered this process in good faith, assuming, naively as we now know, that our views would be considered carefully. However, we soon realised it was a sham.

- We expressed, privately, our reservations to the Board about Gerald McCarthy after his two-year tenure. We had said nothing over those two years despite our shortcomings. However, our views were ignored and the Board decided to push ahead and reappoint the manager, without any contest. As we had attended meetings, the Board believed we had 'technically' engaged in the process and ploughed on with the ratification.

-Out of respect to Gerald, we met him in private and expressed the views of the panel to him in person and in private. We explained that we no longer had confidence in him as a manager. We also told him we believed he was being used by the Board Executive to further their agenda. He rejected our views.

- The Cork panel informed the Board on numerous occasions that the only man we did NOT want as manager was Gerald McCarthy. Their response was to reappoint him immediately.

- Since then, we believe the manager has been in a compromised position, supported by the Co Board Executive, and he has spent the past two months engaged in an unedifying PR battle opening and closing the door on the panel and issuing personalised attacks on certain individual players.

- Forced to criticise the manager's ability only as a coach and a manager due to the actions of the Board Executive, we have NOT commented on him personally. We have not spoken about his business activities, his interests or his personal traits. He did not afford certain members of our panel the same respect.

After our press conference last week, we are now in the position where we are seeking the support of the Cork hurling public. If that support is not forthcoming we will disband as a panel and every player is free to return if he so wishes. We do not and will not hold any ill-feeling towards those who return or those currently involved with the Cork set-up.

As players, we have been proud to represent our clubs and our county with the very best of our efforts. Whether those efforts include the principled stands we have taken over the past six years is now for the Cork people to decide.

If the Cork GAA members are happy with the current Co Board situation then so be it. If not, then the time has come for them to end this ridiculous series of disputes.

-We do NOT want to choose our own manager

-We do NOT want to cause trouble or difficulties

-We do NOT want to sully the name of Cork GAA

We have called on our club members to take back control of the GAA in their county. In the meantime, we will not yield to the latest attempt by the Cork Co Board executive to ride roughshod over our principles. We have the courage of our convictions to see that through no matter what happens.

We would like to express our sincere gratitude to the players and squads who have expressed their support for us to date.

While we are aware that our situation may seem a million miles away to certain players and squads, particularly those who enjoy excellent relations with their Board, there are wider implications for the treatment of players at local and national level at stake nonetheless. The Cork squad has always supported the GPA philosophy - that the role of the modern-day player must be acknowledged and respected properly. This is an issue at the heart of the current negotiations between the GPA and the GAA on official recognition which you, no doubt, are closely monitoring.

We thank you for taking the time to study this information and for all your genuine support to date. We wish you and your squad the very best for the season ahead.

Donal Og Cusack
On behalf of The 2008 Cork Hurling Squad


Looks like the GPA could be on the verge of entering this dispute in a more offical capacity. Could the GPA be considering calling for an all out strike throughout the country of for some type of disruptive action?

[orangeman]

Donal Og Cusack on behalf of the Cork hurlers has issued a statement through the GPA to players in all 32 counties explaining the reasons for the ongoing dispute in the Rebel County.

The statement explains why the dispute arose and makes it clear that as a group of players, the Cork panel have no wish to pick a manager. They explain that they had issues with Gerald McCarthy and as long as he was not reappointed manager they would have been happy with any other coach.Additionally Cusack says that many players on other counties might feel distanced from the dispute in Cork because of excellent relationships they have with their own county boards, what is happening in Cork has implications for the way players are treated nationally.

The statement in full reads:


Dear Players,

We, the Cork hurling panel of 2008, are writing to you as an inter-county colleague to inform you of the facts behind our current dispute with the Cork Co Board executive and team management.

We believe it is important for every county footballer and hurler to be aware of the situation because of the misleading spin being produced by our critics, in particular the claim that we are 'unreasonable'. We are not. We are passionate, committed hurling men who, together as a united panel, have taken a stand to ensure that the best standards are applied to every element of our preparation. There has been NO intimidation of younger players by senior members of the panel and everything we do and say, is arrived at by consensus.

We have no delusions about who we are or what we're about. We make no secret about our ambition to win for Cork but we do not complain when mistakes are made or games are lost; when there is a better team against us, we will be defeated; all we have sought since 2002 is that there is a genuine intention in our county to work together for one purpose. Yet again, the Cork Co Board Executive under the leadership of Secretary Frank Murphy has ensured that this cannot happen.

It is no coincidence that most of the regularly successful counties and management teams enjoy good relationships with their county boards with efficient lines of communication operating at all times. These are essentials.

Despite the fact that Gerald McCarthy is at the centre of the current impasse and has chosen to personalise it, the origins of the dispute lie firmly in the actions of the Cork panel in 2002 when a stand was taken against the Co Board executive to improve preparation standards and conditions. This action was taken despite severe intimidation by certain officials. We believed, passionately, that in the pursuit of excellence, an excellent environment must first be created. In the eyes of a number of officials, we had committed an act of treason and they have taken every opportunity since then, to undermine and divide the squad.

Since 2002, the Cork hurling public and indeed the GAA public at large has been misled by a Cork executive driven by an agenda to take back 'control' at all or any cost. We would like to put the record straight for our playing colleagues.

This is the sequence of events which have led to the current situation.

- As part of the resolution to the dispute involving the appointment of the Cork football manager in 2006/2007, we were given a role in the selection process for the appointment of the hurling manager in 2009. We entered this process in good faith, assuming, naively as we now know, that our views would be considered carefully. However, we soon realised it was a sham.

- We expressed, privately, our reservations to the Board about Gerald McCarthy after his two-year tenure. We had said nothing over those two years despite our shortcomings. However, our views were ignored and the Board decided to push ahead and reappoint the manager, without any contest. As we had attended meetings, the Board believed we had 'technically' engaged in the process and ploughed on with the ratification.

-Out of respect to Gerald, we met him in private and expressed the views of the panel to him in person and in private. We explained that we no longer had confidence in him as a manager. We also told him we believed he was being used by the Board Executive to further their agenda. He rejected our views.

- The Cork panel informed the Board on numerous occasions that the only man we did NOT want as manager was Gerald McCarthy. Their response was to reappoint him immediately.

- Since then, we believe the manager has been in a compromised position, supported by the Co Board Executive, and he has spent the past two months engaged in an unedifying PR battle opening and closing the door on the panel and issuing personalised attacks on certain individual players.

- Forced to criticise the manager's ability only as a coach and a manager due to the actions of the Board Executive, we have NOT commented on him personally. We have not spoken about his business activities, his interests or his personal traits. He did not afford certain members of our panel the same respect.

After our press conference last week, we are now in the position where we are seeking the support of the Cork hurling public. If that support is not forthcoming we will disband as a panel and every player is free to return if he so wishes. We do not and will not hold any ill-feeling towards those who return or those currently involved with the Cork set-up.

As players, we have been proud to represent our clubs and our county with the very best of our efforts. Whether those efforts include the principled stands we have taken over the past six years is now for the Cork people to decide.

If the Cork GAA members are happy with the current Co Board situation then so be it. If not, then the time has come for them to end this ridiculous series of disputes.

-We do NOT want to choose our own manager

-We do NOT want to cause trouble or difficulties

-We do NOT want to sully the name of Cork GAA

We have called on our club members to take back control of the GAA in their county. In the meantime, we will not yield to the latest attempt by the Cork Co Board executive to ride roughshod over our principles. We have the courage of our convictions to see that through no matter what happens.

We would like to express our sincere gratitude to the players and squads who have expressed their support for us to date.

While we are aware that our situation may seem a million miles away to certain players and squads, particularly those who enjoy excellent relations with their Board, there are wider implications for the treatment of players at local and national level at stake nonetheless. The Cork squad has always supported the GPA philosophy - that the role of the modern-day player must be acknowledged and respected properly. This is an issue at the heart of the current negotiations between the GPA and the GAA on official recognition which you, no doubt, are closely monitoring.

We thank you for taking the time to study this information and for all your genuine support to date. We wish you and your squad the very best for the season ahead.

Donal Og Cusack
On behalf of The 2008 Cork Hurling Squad


Looks like the GPA could be on the verge of entering this dispute in a more offical capacity. Could the GPA be considering calling for an all out strike throughout the country of for some type of disruptive action?

So they would have been happy to play under Teddy Mac ? Don't think so - so they want a veto on who is coach / manager. Fact.

[orangeman]

We do NOT want to choose our own manager

They say they don't want to choose the manager, but they want to be able to say who can't manage them.


-We do NOT want to cause trouble or difficulties - Too late Donal for all of that.-




We do NOT want to sully the name of Cork GAA - Too late for that as well Donal.



And any doubts that remain that the GPA aren't involved in this dispute have disappeared thanks to Dessie's timely intervention on his treatment of the 2009 panel and now this.

[The GAA]

Read the comments of the Cork CB treasurer to get a flavour of how easy these lads were to manage. His comments are in today's Independent.

Link?

I don't have one at the moment but I'll try and put it up later on Heffo - you'll find it revealing to say the least.

He probably made it up. he makes virtually everything he posts up

[orangeman]

Read the comments of the Cork CB treasurer to get a flavour of how easy these lads were to manage. His comments are in today's Independent.

Link?

I don't have one at the moment but I'll try and put it up later on Heffo - you'll find it revealing to say the least.

He probably made it up. he makes virtually everything he posts up

Just like Donal Og made this one up LIAR

[The GAA]

Looks like the GPA could be on the verge of entering this dispute in a more offical capacity.

I'd be interested in following the logic that led you to arrive at that conclusion?

[The GAA]

The fact remains OM that i caught you out in a litany of lies, you avoided the thread for a day (record for you) out of embarrassment and have yet to contradict a single one of my accusations of you being the biggest liar on the board.

that makes you ignorant, devoid of even the slightest amount of charachter within your being and not even in possession of enough conscience or regard for the board to be embarrassed...

[heffo]

The fact remains OM that i caught you out in a litany of lies, you avoided the thread for a day (record for you) out of embarrassment and have yet to contradict a single one of my accusations of you being the biggest liar on the board.

that makes you ignorant, devoid of even the slightest amount of charachter within your being and not even in possession of enough conscience or regard for the board to be embarrassed...

OM - will you clarify what you posted about GAA

[orangeman]

Statement of Pearse Muprhy County Treasurer :

About 6 years ago, Frank Murphy negotiated a deal with Coca Cola for Powerade and water and unlimited supply of products available for all Cork teams. There was also financial reward for the Board which was spent - and in the accounts that I presented to you here over successive conventions, you are well aware of the type of money spent on preparing teams.
We ran into trouble in 2007 with this drinks situation. We were put in a situation that if the drink Powerade was brought into the field of play the team would not have taken it, or, if it was done, the players would walk off.Another product had to be used. What was contained in those bottles, I have no doubt, was Powerade, drunk out of the bottle of another producer.

The Coca Cola sponsorship that we lost, we lost it at the end of 2007 and we incurred a € 10,000.00 penalty from our sponsors. We were told that if we insisted on using this, that other sponsorships negotiated by this board would also be torpedoed. These are the facts of the matter.


I told you at the last board meeting that the cost in the provision of drinks and the loss of national sponsorship was € 75,000.00 in 2008. Having lost the Coca Cola sponsorship, that didn't deter our people going to find another sponsor, but a sponsorship was lost that would have meant that the board lost € 150,000.00 over 3 years. "

[orangeman]

The fact remains OM that i caught you out in a litany of lies, you avoided the thread for a day (record for you) out of embarrassment and have yet to contradict a single one of my accusations of you being the biggest liar on the board.

that makes you ignorant, devoid of even the slightest amount of charachter within your being and not even in possession of enough conscience or regard for the board to be embarrassed...

OM - will you clarify what you posted about GAA

I'll PM you - I don't want him annoyed any more than he is. It's all very well for him to abuse posters here, but when ge gets a bit of stick he does a serious crying - if you give it, you have to be able to take it.

[heffo]

Statement of Pearse Muprhy County Treasurer :

About 6 years ago, Frank Murphy negotiated a deal with Coca Cola for Powerade and water and unlimited supply of products available for all Cork teams. There was also financial reward for the Board which was spent - and in the accounts that I presented to you here over successive conventions, you are well aware of the type of money spent on preparing teams.
We ran into trouble in 2007 with this drinks situation. We were put in a situation that if the drink Powerade was brought into the field of play the team would not have taken it, or, if it was done, the players would walk off.Another product had to be used. What was contained in those bottles, I have no doubt, was Powerade, drunk out of the bottle of another producer.

The Coca Cola sponsorship that we lost, we lost it at the end of 2007 and we incurred a € 10,000.00 penalty from our sponsors. We were told that if we insisted on using this, that other sponsorships negotiated by this board would also be torpedoed. These are the facts of the matter.


I told you at the last board meeting that the cost in the provision of drinks and the loss of national sponsorship was € 75,000.00 in 2008. Having lost the Coca Cola sponsorship, that didn't deter our people going to find another sponsor, but a sponsorship was lost that would have meant that the board lost € 150,000.00 over 3 years. "

Thats is scandalous and all because of players greed. I genuinely mean that.

[orangeman]

The fact remains OM that i caught you out in a litany of lies, you avoided the thread for a day (record for you) out of embarrassment and have yet to contradict a single one of my accusations of you being the biggest liar on the board.

that makes you ignorant, devoid of even the slightest amount of charachter within your being and not even in possession of enough conscience or regard for the board to be embarrassed...

If you dish it out, you have to be able to take it. Time you learned that lesson.

[NAG]

So who was the other producer then? And what was their contract with the players?

[heffo]

The fact remains OM that i caught you out in a litany of lies, you avoided the thread for a day (record for you) out of embarrassment and have yet to contradict a single one of my accusations of you being the biggest liar on the board.

that makes you ignorant, devoid of even the slightest amount of charachter within your being and not even in possession of enough conscience or regard for the board to be embarrassed...

If you dish it out, you have to be able to take it. Time you learned that lesson.

If you'll both accept me as an impartial moderator, I'll happily try and find a solution around the current impasse..