McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[heffo]

Cork fans, who said it all when there was 3000 of them there, then when it was proved to be more like 5/6000 suddenly nothing more then soccer, seasonal, fans.

The Gardai and RTE reported the figure as 3,000 - You reported it as 5/6,000..

From RTE  Sunday 8th March

Cork beat Fermanagh in Allianz NFL Division Two but it was a protest in support of the Rebels' 2008 hurling squad that will steal the headlines.And the Cork hurlers will feel they won a battle today as 2,300 fans, including comedian Des Bishop backed their cause and handed a letter over to Cork chairman Frank Murphy.

Shame on you Reillers. Shame on you.

[Galwaybhoy]

and will this be the end of the strike?

surely not. The issue was with the board, not McCarthy, right?

so the board will appoint a new manager to manage a lot of spotty imposters?

not the 08 panel. Because they stand firm by their convictions. And their problem is Frank Murphy, but he hadn't quit.

So the strike continues

right?

This is what I was thinking as well.  It seems McCarthy was the problem, but because McCarthy had done nothing wrong and players should NEVER be allowed to pick the manager and just so as to justify their actions they had to say Frank Murphy was the problem and McCarthy was just a "pawn".  Well if thats true then surely these players who stand so strongly by their believes that they were risking their careers for the betterment of Cork hurling will now continue on their strike until Murphy is gone.  I somehow doubt very much they will.  Like the majority of people in the country I'm disgusted by the players actions, and their "moving of the goalposts" when it suits them.

Despite Skull trying to say otherwise, my opinion has always stayed the same. FM and the CB have always been the ones behind this. Gerald was the short term problem, just a pawn by the CB, used like he nothing more then that.
The players said that they'd return when McCarthy's gone.
The clubs have the power to get rid of the CB. There's not much more the players can do. Clubs need to handle club business themselves. The players can't do it all for them. The clubs are the only ones who can get rid of FM.
It's down to the clubs now, physically the players can do know more, the power is back in the hands of the clubs, it all depends on what they do.

Have they?  Then why do I hear that Frank Murphy is so powerful?  That he is there way too long and is ruining Cork GAA.  If this is true and its as easy for the same clubs who all back the players against Frank Murphy to get rid of him, why haven't they done it before now?

Reillers can you please answer this for me.

[Reillers]

and will this be the end of the strike?

surely not. The issue was with the board, not McCarthy, right?

so the board will appoint a new manager to manage a lot of spotty imposters?

not the 08 panel. Because they stand firm by their convictions. And their problem is Frank Murphy, but he hadn't quit.

So the strike continues

right?

This is what I was thinking as well.  It seems McCarthy was the problem, but because McCarthy had done nothing wrong and players should NEVER be allowed to pick the manager and just so as to justify their actions they had to say Frank Murphy was the problem and McCarthy was just a "pawn".  Well if thats true then surely these players who stand so strongly by their believes that they were risking their careers for the betterment of Cork hurling will now continue on their strike until Murphy is gone.  I somehow doubt very much they will.  Like the majority of people in the country I'm disgusted by the players actions, and their "moving of the goalposts" when it suits them.

Despite Skull trying to say otherwise, my opinion has always stayed the same. FM and the CB have always been the ones behind this. Gerald was the short term problem, just a pawn by the CB, used like he nothing more then that.
The players said that they'd return when McCarthy's gone.
The clubs have the power to get rid of the CB. There's not much more the players can do. Clubs need to handle club business themselves. The players can't do it all for them. The clubs are the only ones who can get rid of FM.
It's down to the clubs now, physically the players can do know more, the power is back in the hands of the clubs, it all depends on what they do.

Have they?  Then why do I hear that Frank Murphy is so powerful?  That he is there way too long and is ruining Cork GAA.  If this is true and its as easy for the same clubs who all back the players against Frank Murphy to get rid of him, why haven't they done it before now?

Reillers can you please answer this for me.

He is powerful, and he's been there for way too long. It wont be easy at all to get rid of FM, not one bit, I'd say there's another sting in the CB's tail yet. And I doubt FM will go quietly, if he goes at all.
But the clubs haver never stood up to the cb like they have done over the past week. Never. The more they get their voices back and use their voices the more powerful they are and the more pressure they can put on FM.

[turk]

Picture the scene - in a couple of Sunday's time, the first round of the club league starts, the young corner forward Adian goes to take up his position at the start of the match and he's been told by the manager that Seamas the balding 34 year old dirty ball of a corner back is a hallion and he might use violence against him but not to worry about it.

So up runs the stylish corner forward, all 9 stone of him - put his hand out to shake Seamas' hand ( Seamas, a farmer, is the balding 34 year old corner back who has grown up having been fed a diet of young, stylish, sometimes cocky 9 stone corner forwards ), Seamas grunts and ignores the offer of a handshake. The game begins, Aidan the wee corner forward gets the first three balls that come his way and scores 2 points. Seamas gets a bit of "encouragement" ( not that he needs any prompting ) to get a lot tighter to to Aidan. Seamas gets tighter and informs him that the next time he goes for the ball he will "take the f--king head"off him.

Perturbed by this threat of physical violence, Aidan tells the manager at half time what has been said to him. The manager listens and tries to play down and make light out the threats and asks Aidan exactly what Seamas had said to him. Aidan tells him and the manager tells him not to worry about it as Seamas hadn't used a recognised code word. Aidan seems concerned but the manager reassures him that the threat is not a serious one, not to worry one bit about, tells him just to keep playing the way he has been and convinces him that as he has not used the code word that all will be ok.

The second half starts and Seamas informs Aidan that if he touches the ball in the second half that he will take the f—king head off him. Aidan says back to him that he's not worried at all as he has not used a recognised code word. Aidan wins the next ball that comes in turns an scores a point, on his way out from scoring Seamas duly takes 3 teeth out of Aidan's lovely freshly whitened top row, has to be taken off and replaced.
The manager tells Aidan that he forgot that Seamas was a freelancer and doesn't normally  use a code word, tells him to go to the dentist to get a set of dentures and that he'd see him at training on Tuesday night.


Don't wait for the codeword.

Good one orangeman!

[INDIANA]

Are you going to admit you complelty lied about knowing and texting Bob? Didn't think so.

Ye are all so high and mighty about this. Never mind the fact that ye have insulted everyone and anyone that has come up backing the players.
Journos were nothing but sympathetic biased reporters who were just looking out to write the players biographies.
No integrity at all, no will to do their job at all.
Cork fans, who said it all when there was 3000 of them there, then when it was proved to be more like 5/6000 suddenly nothing more then soccer, seasonal, fans.
Clubs, well first several hundred people were being led along by 3 or 4 then suddenly they were all part of this hidden agenda of GPA friendly clubs and wanting mob rule.
Ye have insulted the players over and over again. Saying that they want to rule everything with no proof or backing. Some of ye have had the nerve to say that all they were interested in was finances and personal gain, with again no backing or proof. Ye scream at me everytime some near insult or question comes near a man who won 5 AI titles, but ye have no problem acting like ye do, acting like they are the scum of the earth to men who have in most cases won 3. No problem at all saying they are worthless, saying that they are disgrace.

And ye honestly think that Gerald stepping down had nothing to do with the clubs voting 100% against him?
Ye all seemed to have forgotten the rest of his statement, ye are too busy again insulting the players who apparently responsible for the threats, and then there's the so called Cork fans, who are not Cork fans, but now we're all under one name.

And don't for a second tell me that if the players had come out and said what Gerald said that ye would have treated them the same and reaccted the way ye did with Gerald. It wouldn't have been oh poor lads, and all that jazz, please some of ye wouldn't have laughed in their faces, saying they deserved it and that they were lying.
Ye have shown how little ye care about Cork GAA over the last few weeks. How all some of ye want to do is whinge and bitch about the players. Ye have shown that ye are not genuine fans by a long shot. So don't act like ye genuinely care now just to have another pop at the players, who apparently according to some of ye are responsible for this.

And while ye're at it, don't forget to take my posts completly out of context and proportion and don't forget to nit pick them either.

Blaming and bitching about the players, and taking my posts completly out of context, blatantly insulting anyone who has backded the players, everytime someone has ever had something good to say about the players, down talking them to make their point seem irrelevant. That's what ye do best. That's all ye do.

So stop acting like ye genuinely care, ye've proven otherwise over the last few weeks.

And I've no doubt that this will again be ignored, I will be personal attacked for it, the post will be nit picked, attacked for the way I've said things, attacked over nothing I've said here.
Anything but reply to what I've said here, and if it is replied to it will be completly out of context as per usual.

Anyone read that post 200 pages ago? I thought so Reillers posts are like that film Groundhog Day. Stock lines , stock lines.

[Galwaybhoy]

and will this be the end of the strike?

surely not. The issue was with the board, not McCarthy, right?

so the board will appoint a new manager to manage a lot of spotty imposters?

not the 08 panel. Because they stand firm by their convictions. And their problem is Frank Murphy, but he hadn't quit.

So the strike continues

right?

This is what I was thinking as well.  It seems McCarthy was the problem, but because McCarthy had done nothing wrong and players should NEVER be allowed to pick the manager and just so as to justify their actions they had to say Frank Murphy was the problem and McCarthy was just a "pawn".  Well if thats true then surely these players who stand so strongly by their believes that they were risking their careers for the betterment of Cork hurling will now continue on their strike until Murphy is gone.  I somehow doubt very much they will.  Like the majority of people in the country I'm disgusted by the players actions, and their "moving of the goalposts" when it suits them.

Despite Skull trying to say otherwise, my opinion has always stayed the same. FM and the CB have always been the ones behind this. Gerald was the short term problem, just a pawn by the CB, used like he nothing more then that.
The players said that they'd return when McCarthy's gone.
The clubs have the power to get rid of the CB. There's not much more the players can do. Clubs need to handle club business themselves. The players can't do it all for them. The clubs are the only ones who can get rid of FM.
It's down to the clubs now, physically the players can do know more, the power is back in the hands of the clubs, it all depends on what they do.

Have they?  Then why do I hear that Frank Murphy is so powerful?  That he is there way too long and is ruining Cork GAA.  If this is true and its as easy for the same clubs who all back the players against Frank Murphy to get rid of him, why haven't they done it before now?

Reillers can you please answer this for me.

He is powerful, and he's been there for way too long. It wont be easy at all to get rid of FM, not one bit, I'd say there's another sting in the CB's tail yet. And I doubt FM will go quietly, if he goes at all.
But the clubs haver never stood up to the cb like they have done over the past week. Never. The more they get their voices back and use their voices the more powerful they are and the more pressure they can put on FM.

Well surely then if hes as powerful as made out, the players should continue the strike until he and the County Board all resign.  What happens if another manager who the players dont like is appointed, will they strike again?  See this is why players should have NO say in who is their manager.  If Murphy was the problem then the players should have stated that from the very beginging, instead of taking it out on a man who done nothing wrong (McCarthy), then maybe more people would have more sympathy for them and understand where they are coming from.

[Hound]

Anyone read that post 200 pages ago? I thought so Reillers posts are like that film Groundhog Day. Stock lines , stock lines.

Indeed, would be a far better thread if all posts by Reillers, dowling, heffo, orangeman and yourself (and a few others) in the last 200 pages were deleted.

Thankfully there have been some on both sides of the arguments, such as RedandGreen and AZ Offaly and a few others who have made for interesting reading and have discussed it without resorting to abuse, lies or bullying.

[Reillers]

Anyone read that post 200 pages ago? I thought so Reillers posts are like that film Groundhog Day. Stock lines , stock lines.

Indeed, would be a far better thread if all posts by Reillers, dowling, heffo, orangeman and yourself (and a few others) in the last 200 pages were deleted.

Thankfully there have been some on both sides of the arguments, such as RedandGreen and AZ Offaly and a few others who have made for interesting reading and have discussed it without resorting to abuse, lies or bullying.

True, so very true.
I can't speak for the others. I have said things and made posts that I very much regret since and have contributed to some of the reason why this is such a bitchy distasteful topic.
A new one probably should be made.

[zoyler]

This whole mess is related to the ongoing battle for the soul of the GAA between those who follow the GPA line of every thing having a monetary value and the old concept of service to the community and it is a cancer that is slowly eating away at the GAA

I was speaking to an old friend involved in a junior football club in Ulster last week.  He told me that the cost of running their main team for last year was circa Stg 20,000 for which they were moderately successful!  The manager was £10K (cash of course) the pgysio £6K(I doubt he took a cheque) etc. etc. When I expressed my disbelief he said the players attitude was they would not play unless they were properly prepared and it was either give in to these ridiculus demands or not field.  Of course it was up to the committee to raise the funds not the players!!    What happens this year when there is so less money about for sponsorship or to support draws is going to be interesting to see and as I said previously are the GAA going to provide the €5M when the goverment withdraw the GPA funding - It will be interesting to see will the Cork lads wash their own jerseys!!

[bingobus]

This whole mess is related to the ongoing battle for the soul of the GAA between those who follow the GPA line of every thing having a monetary value and the old concept of service to the community and it is a cancer that is slowly eating away at the GAA

I was speaking to an old friend involved in a junior football club in Ulster last week.  He told me that the cost of running their main team for last year was circa Stg 20,000 for which they were moderately successful!  The manager was £10K (cash of course) the pgysio £6K(I doubt he took a cheque) etc. etc. When I expressed my disbelief he said the players attitude was they would not play unless they were properly prepared and it was either give in to these ridiculus demands or not field.  Of course it was up to the committee to raise the funds not the players!!    What happens this year when there is so less money about for sponsorship or to support draws is going to be interesting to see and as I said previously are the GAA going to provide the €5M when the goverment withdraw the GPA funding - It will be interesting to see will the Cork lads wash their own jerseys!!

Zoyler, that is spot on. We are currently fundraising and asking any business for €100 towards a golf classic is like asking them to cut off their hand.

Standards have been raised to such a level that they are unstainable.

Yet some on here can only this as a dispute by the Cork hurlers to give them a chance to win an All-ireland. The same hurlers who have forced a major company pull out of a lucrative contract for the Cork CB, thrown a rival soft drinks onto the terrace away from the goals, who have some of the highest profiles of any Hurler in the country, who hold key position in the GPA.

Players deserve what they get but the GPA is an elite organisation for the elite players. I know the Monghan Hurlers had problems getting their playing gear from the CB last year and despite attempts to contact the GPA for assistance none was ever received. Eventually it got sorted as they constantly talked and demanded it from the CB.

This was high profile Cork players playing the big lads and engaging the CB head on and using the only tool available to them. Get rid of a manager at all costs. They wouldn't even talk to the man for christ sake, couldn;t even reason with him. No they built it up until the whole county was in  a frenzy.

This may have been about Cork Hurling but its effects will be felt in other countys in the near future at IC level and club level. Without a doubt.

[dowling]

In spite of everything pro posters have written in this debate it still amazes me that they can argue over the threat made to Gerald McCarthy.
"He made his bed", "it's not really the CIRA", "it's not to be taken seriously", " it's nothing to do with the 2008 panel".

How low can you all go?

Playing down the threat, playing down the impact it may have. Not hard to do when it's someone else's family.

But I don't believe this simply a case, especially on Reillers part, of not knowing the impact of what they're writing. It's a case of trying to deflect away from the seriouness of this latest development of the 2008 panel's strike.

And it's directly linked to the strike and a consequence of the villification of Gerald McCarthy.

None of us could probably have predicted this happening but what some of us have predicted was the bitter consequences to what was taking place.
Others haven't cared what might come to pass and their attitude now underlines that.

There was only one course for Reillers, GAA and their like, to come on here and codemn what took place, call on the culprit/s to give themselves up and acknowledge things have gone too far and call on the 2008 panel to make a statement.

There's no argument here and don't try to kid the rest of us there is or deflect from what happened.

[Reillers]

This whole mess is related to the ongoing battle for the soul of the GAA between those who follow the GPA line of every thing having a monetary value and the old concept of service to the community and it is a cancer that is slowly eating away at the GAA

I was speaking to an old friend involved in a junior football club in Ulster last week.  He told me that the cost of running their main team for last year was circa Stg 20,000 for which they were moderately successful!  The manager was £10K (cash of course) the pgysio £6K(I doubt he took a cheque) etc. etc. When I expressed my disbelief he said the players attitude was they would not play unless they were properly prepared and it was either give in to these ridiculus demands or not field.  Of course it was up to the committee to raise the funds not the players!!    What happens this year when there is so less money about for sponsorship or to support draws is going to be interesting to see and as I said previously are the GAA going to provide the €5M when the goverment withdraw the GPA funding - It will be interesting to see will the Cork lads wash their own jerseys!!

Zoyler, that is spot on. We are currently fundraising and asking any business for €100 towards a golf classic is like asking them to cut off their hand.

Standards have been raised to such a level that they are unstainable.

Yet some on here can only this as a dispute by the Cork hurlers to give them a chance to win an All-ireland. The same hurlers who have forced a major company pull out of a lucrative contract for the Cork CB, thrown a rival soft drinks onto the terrace away from the goals, who have some of the highest profiles of any Hurler in the country, who hold key position in the GPA.

Players deserve what they get but the GPA is an elite organisation for the elite players. I know the Monghan Hurlers had problems getting their playing gear from the CB last year and despite attempts to contact the GPA for assistance none was ever received. Eventually it got sorted as they constantly talked and demanded it from the CB.

This was high profile Cork players playing the big lads and engaging the CB head on and using the only tool available to them. Get rid of a manager at all costs. They wouldn't even talk to the man for christ sake, couldn;t even reason with him. No they built it up until the whole county was in  a frenzy.

This may have been about Cork Hurling but its effects will be felt in other countys in the near future at IC level and club level. Without a doubt.

Oh ya, forgot about the GPA in all of this. Wait for a minute there I thought they had nothing to do with this dispute at all.
For a minute there I thought that the hurlers wanted to get rid of the manager because of the way in which he was reappointed, apparenlty not.
And oh ya, for a minute there the players actually did try and talk to the Cb and Gerald and apparently everytime they attempted to make contact they were never gotten back to, and then that was apparently conveniently forgotten in the press by the Cb and Gerald as well.
For a minute there I thought differently, but then I rememberd the players are and always have been 100% wrong, as has anyone who has ever backed them, they all have had some alternative motive and that they are all wrong, everyone, players, fans, clubs, jorunos, the whole lot, all are 100% wrong.

[Reillers]

In spite of everything pro posters have written in this debate it still amazes me that they can argue over the threat made to Gerald McCarthy.
"He made his bed", "it's not really the CIRA", "it's not to be taken seriously", " it's nothing to do with the 2008 panel".

How low can you all go?

Playing down the threat, playing down the impact it may have. Not hard to do when it's someone else's family.

But I don't believe this simply a case, especially on Reillers part, of not knowing the impact of what they're writing. It's a case of trying to deflect away from the seriouness of this latest development of the 2008 panel's strike.

And it's directly linked to the strike and a consequence of the villification of Gerald McCarthy.

None of us could probably have predicted this happening but what some of us have predicted was the bitter consequences to what was taking place.
Others haven't cared what might come to pass and their attitude now underlines that.

There was only one course for Reillers, GAA and their like, to come on here and codemn what took place, call on the culprit/s to give themselves up and acknowledge things have gone too far and call on the 2008 panel to make a statement.

There's no argument here and don't try to kid the rest of us there is or deflect from what happened.

It still amazes me that you continue to take everything I say out of context completley to make me look bad.
Cop yourself on will ya ffs and read my posts.
How long are you going to continue to keep that up.

[dowling]

I avoided getting into the debate in relation to Gerald McCarthy's mother's death although at the time I believed it was a terrible thing that only a few players had the decency to pay their respects. Now that we know it was contrived by the panel for panellists not to go iit's a terrible reflection on them and especially the individual who thought it up.

[dowling]

In spite of everything pro posters have written in this debate it still amazes me that they can argue over the threat made to Gerald McCarthy.
"He made his bed", "it's not really the CIRA", "it's not to be taken seriously", " it's nothing to do with the 2008 panel".

How low can you all go?

Playing down the threat, playing down the impact it may have. Not hard to do when it's someone else's family.

But I don't believe this simply a case, especially on Reillers part, of not knowing the impact of what they're writing. It's a case of trying to deflect away from the seriouness of this latest development of the 2008 panel's strike.

And it's directly linked to the strike and a consequence of the villification of Gerald McCarthy.

None of us could probably have predicted this happening but what some of us have predicted was the bitter consequences to what was taking place.
Others haven't cared what might come to pass and their attitude now underlines that.

There was only one course for Reillers, GAA and their like, to come on here and codemn what took place, call on the culprit/s to give themselves up and acknowledge things have gone too far and call on the 2008 panel to make a statement.

There's no argument here and don't try to kid the rest of us there is or deflect from what happened.

It still amazes me that you continue to take everything I say out of context completley to make me look bad.
Cop yourself on will ya ffs and read my posts.
How long are you going to continue to keep that up.

Make you look bad Reillers? You're doing alright on your own, you don't need my help.