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« Reply #2895 on: October 27, 2020, 11:51:57 AM »
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft
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« Reply #2896 on: October 27, 2020, 12:01:48 PM »
For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.


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« Reply #2897 on: October 27, 2020, 12:14:30 PM »
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft

I assume the intent was that as it is not an extra week holiday but is to be made up throughout the year (I think?) that any more than an extra week is unachievable.

I am not advocating anything, only attempting to understand what might that acceptable risk be, if Covid is going to remain for the remainder of the school year what should be done? Surely it is not conceivable that schools be shut for that time therefore what is the alternative? A 'firebreak' each term?

For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.

It appears to me that this is the current position, try and muddle through as best we can.

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« Reply #2898 on: October 27, 2020, 12:23:17 PM »
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft

I assume the intent was that as it is not an extra week holiday but is to be made up throughout the year (I think?) that any more than an extra week is unachievable.

I am not advocating anything, only attempting to understand what might that acceptable risk be, if Covid is going to remain for the remainder of the school year what should be done? Surely it is not conceivable that schools be shut for that time therefore what is the alternative? A 'firebreak' each term?

For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.

It appears to me that this is the current position, try and muddle through as best we can.

3 days were assigned as ' exceptional ' closures by DENI, so these days do not need to be recovered .
2 days were taken from ' optional closure ' days so will be re instated from closures planned later in the year.

Secondary schools should go to blended learning due to the wide  catchment areas and number of pupils. Primary schools seem to be less affected by spikes , +ve cases and isolation incidents.

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« Reply #2899 on: October 27, 2020, 12:27:46 PM »
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft

I assume the intent was that as it is not an extra week holiday but is to be made up throughout the year (I think?) that any more than an extra week is unachievable.

I am not advocating anything, only attempting to understand what might that acceptable risk be, if Covid is going to remain for the remainder of the school year what should be done? Surely it is not conceivable that schools be shut for that time therefore what is the alternative? A 'firebreak' each term?

For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.

It appears to me that this is the current position, try and muddle through as best we can.

3 days were assigned as ' exceptional ' closures by DENI, so these days do not need to be recovered .
2 days were taken from ' optional closure ' days so will be re instated from closures planned later in the year.

Secondary schools should go to blended learning due to the wide  catchment areas and number of pupils. Primary schools seem to be less affected by spikes , +ve cases and isolation incidents.

Do you reckon they'll do the same at Christmas i.e. finish up a week earlier?

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« Reply #2900 on: October 27, 2020, 12:47:12 PM »
I would have thought not - it appears to me that they have decided 2 weeks in the magic number, as such the end of term holiday should suffice. I would have thought if we are in a similar position by next mid term they would look at the extra week but by then it could hardly be recovered.

From a secondary teacher's experience, does blended learning work? Does it negatively affect kids from (for want of a better term) a lower socio economic background to a greater degree?

Has anything been done to facilitate future blended learning since returning to school full time?

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« Reply #2901 on: October 27, 2020, 12:48:49 PM »
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft

I assume the intent was that as it is not an extra week holiday but is to be made up throughout the year (I think?) that any more than an extra week is unachievable.

I am not advocating anything, only attempting to understand what might that acceptable risk be, if Covid is going to remain for the remainder of the school year what should be done? Surely it is not conceivable that schools be shut for that time therefore what is the alternative? A 'firebreak' each term?

For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.

It appears to me that this is the current position, try and muddle through as best we can.

3 days were assigned as ' exceptional ' closures by DENI, so these days do not need to be recovered .
2 days were taken from ' optional closure ' days so will be re instated from closures planned later in the year.

Secondary schools should go to blended learning due to the wide  catchment areas and number of pupils. Primary schools seem to be less affected by spikes , +ve cases and isolation incidents.

Do you reckon they'll do the same at Christmas i.e. finish up a week earlier?
The way Christmas day falls this year , most schools will have a 15/ 16 day break , Sat 19th Dec to Sunday 3rd Jan.

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« Reply #2902 on: November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM »
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.
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« Reply #2903 on: November 02, 2020, 07:15:43 PM »
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

Weíre full contact for PE over here in group of thirty and no distancing between ourselves in classroom. On the yard some years stay in separate parts while other years donít give a f**k and they are mingling

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« Reply #2904 on: November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM »
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos thereís little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them itís not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..

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« Reply #2905 on: November 02, 2020, 10:26:54 PM »
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos thereís little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them itís not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..
Teachers are the new front line and have been since August/September - with no real effective protection.

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« Reply #2906 on: November 02, 2020, 10:47:28 PM »
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos thereís little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them itís not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..

Is there any evidence of it spreading in schools? As opposed to community spread cases bringing it into the schools

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« Reply #2907 on: November 02, 2020, 11:42:54 PM »
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos thereís little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them itís not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..
Teachers are the new front line and have been since August/September - with no real effective protection.

Aye but what about all the holidays they get. Bluffers!

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« Reply #2908 on: November 03, 2020, 09:13:31 AM »
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos thereís little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them itís not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..

Maybe some of 'they' want an education for all children.

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« Reply #2909 on: November 03, 2020, 09:21:30 AM »
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

It is all complete horseshite - only 25 at a funeral, including children, unless you are in the RA, but mass on a Sunday is packed.