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« Reply #1800 on: May 01, 2019, 10:18:15 AM »

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
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Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

Sweeping statement but go ahead..

The utopian view I think you are talking about is smaller classes better teaching less paperwork and less stress, will improve teaching standards and produce better students, less time off due to stress and and in the long run save money.

The summer off as you put it is 6 weeks. There is no way you'll encourage anyone with a degree to do teaching if such things like good pay good holidays were taken away.

My wife has completely discouraged our kids from being teachers, and this from a daughter of a teacher. Why has it become so stressful? I'd a client in the other day an ex teacher and he gave me some stat (whether its true or not) but, the life expectancy of a teacher who stops working at retirement age is on average 4 years, a teacher that stops just 5 years earlier is 17 years!

I worked with classes of 15/16, far easier managed and no stress, but I took that career change you say never happens and havent looked back ;)

Going to call BS on that one.

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« Reply #1801 on: May 01, 2019, 10:23:49 AM »

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

You know some teachers. Lived with some. But have never been one have you. I was. I took a career change that teachers never took. Do you know what into? The civil service. And not the NICS. And I can tell you the civil service does not have twice the standard working hours

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« Reply #1802 on: May 01, 2019, 11:03:37 AM »

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?
go on, what career change could most teachers go for?

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« Reply #1803 on: May 01, 2019, 12:23:40 PM »
Teachers are paid far too much as it is. Most teaching is just putting on youtube videos.
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« Reply #1804 on: May 01, 2019, 12:47:38 PM »
Id pay good teachers more. There is plenty of good teachers out there but there is plenty of woeful ones which drags the standard down and there doesn't seem to be anyway in differentiating between the two. When do you ever hear of a teacher being sacked or managed out of a job for performance related issues? Outside of gross misconduct they are virtually unsackable, which obviously leads to the problem that your unable to replace crap teachers with the good ones coming through. I know plenty of teachers, and every one of them to a man or woman when I asked them why they chose teaching, gave one of two answers. Either one of their parents were teachers and advised them to do it, or they said because of the holidays. That tells you something.

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« Reply #1805 on: May 01, 2019, 12:57:45 PM »
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.

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« Reply #1806 on: May 01, 2019, 01:18:46 PM »
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
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« Reply #1807 on: May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM »
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. Iíve moved schools and Iím doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I donít think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time theyíre getting to 26. Most principals donít get that.


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« Reply #1808 on: May 01, 2019, 01:20:26 PM »
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
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« Reply #1809 on: May 01, 2019, 01:21:30 PM »
Teachers are paid far too much as it is. Most teaching is just putting on youtube videos.

Oh dear. How sad

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« Reply #1810 on: May 01, 2019, 01:22:26 PM »
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
;D ;D ;D

Tell me I'm wrong.  ;D ;D ;D

What about doctors and nurses marrying?
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #1811 on: May 01, 2019, 01:23:33 PM »
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. Iíve moved schools and Iím doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I donít think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time theyíre getting to 26. Most principals donít get that.

Inc stats rather than in addition. Not many private firms offer 29 days holidays. There's not many 26 year olds earning £60k no matter what your friend says.

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« Reply #1812 on: May 01, 2019, 01:24:47 PM »
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
;D ;D ;D

Tell me I'm wrong.  ;D ;D ;D

What about doctors and nurses marrying?

Doctors marry Doctors exactly. Another profession that runs its own secret incest group.


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« Reply #1813 on: May 01, 2019, 01:30:10 PM »
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. Iíve moved schools and Iím doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I donít think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time theyíre getting to 26. Most principals donít get that.
It's demand and supply. If they are into niche IT which is currently in demand then that's possible. But there'll be few IT people who are earning 60K 3 years out of Uni unless it's in Dublin. For every one that is there'll be 10 doing Helpdesk roles at £20-30K.  That's the private sector. Not everyone will be on the same pay and while you'll find outliers like the 3 year old graduate on £60K most won't be. But in teaching....
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« Reply #1814 on: May 01, 2019, 01:31:17 PM »
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
;D ;D ;D

Tell me I'm wrong.  ;D ;D ;D

What about doctors and nurses marrying?

Doctors marry Doctors exactly. Another profession that runs its own secret incest group.

The legal profession is the exact same!  Surprise surprise people marry people who they have a common interest with and likely met when they were in University together....hardly a big jump is it?