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« Reply #1770 on: April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM »
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.




Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

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« Reply #1771 on: April 30, 2019, 10:07:30 PM »
Teachers are the most insufferable poormouths you could ever come across. They work a part time job with a decent wage, pension benefits, extended holidays a secure job and they somehow think they are some sort of victims. There's a reason why they rarely change career.

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« Reply #1772 on: April 30, 2019, 10:12:16 PM »
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

You must be a DP grade or above?

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« Reply #1773 on: April 30, 2019, 10:14:30 PM »
Teachers are the most insufferable poormouths you could ever come across. They work a part time job with a decent wage, pension benefits, extended holidays a secure job and they somehow think they are some sort of victims. There's a reason why they rarely change career.

Did you achieve much in education  yourself ?

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« Reply #1774 on: April 30, 2019, 10:24:12 PM »
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Agree with HS as well.

Teachers would be reluctant to go back to previous situation. Strike action has enforced a work to rule, nobbled inspections, curtailed new initiatives and brought a halt to Key Stage assessment schemes.

It would take quite a pay rise to be worth returning to the treadmill before industrial action. Teachers are still well paid and a mostly female workforce will put more value on the current working situation than on a pay increase which bring s back stress and greater demands on their time.

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« Reply #1775 on: April 30, 2019, 10:33:44 PM »
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Agree with HS as well.

Teachers would be reluctant to go back to previous situation. Strike action has enforced a work to rule, nobbled inspections, curtailed new initiatives and brought a halt to Key Stage assessment schemes.

It would take quite a pay rise to be worth returning to the treadmill before industrial action. Teachers are still well paid and a mostly female workforce will put more value on the current working situation than on a pay increase which bring s back stress and greater demands on their time.

You know that there are schools still operating as normal? Still stressed and under paid
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #1776 on: April 30, 2019, 10:37:42 PM »
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Agree with HS as well.

Teachers would be reluctant to go back to previous situation. Strike action has enforced a work to rule, nobbled inspections, curtailed new initiatives and brought a halt to Key Stage assessment schemes.

It would take quite a pay rise to be worth returning to the treadmill before industrial action. Teachers are still well paid and a mostly female workforce will put more value on the current working situation than on a pay increase which bring s back stress and greater demands on their time.

You know that there are schools still operating as normal? Still stressed and under paid
What do you mean?


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« Reply #1777 on: April 30, 2019, 10:39:33 PM »
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

... and civil servants are by and by large utterly f**king useless. [not helped by the insane policies within the CS where lack of subject knowledge seemingly doesn't matter when appointing chiefs to rule the indians]

At least teachers fulfil a role as underpaid childcare.
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« Reply #1778 on: April 30, 2019, 10:47:17 PM »
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Agree with HS as well.

Teachers would be reluctant to go back to previous situation. Strike action has enforced a work to rule, nobbled inspections, curtailed new initiatives and brought a halt to Key Stage assessment schemes.

It would take quite a pay rise to be worth returning to the treadmill before industrial action. Teachers are still well paid and a mostly female workforce will put more value on the current working situation than on a pay increase which bring s back stress and greater demands on their time.

You know that there are schools still operating as normal? Still stressed and under paid
What do you mean?

Schools are still carrying out parents meetings after schools, still carrying out duties they did prior to the Ďstrikeí still stressed still not getting a pay rise. My wife has not noticed one difference except a full on inspection, they have had inspectors in and they have assessed things though not a full blown one.

In my experience of ETI inspection I found them information and hard work but they were there for a reason.

Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #1779 on: April 30, 2019, 10:52:16 PM »
The individual teachers would be wilfully refusing to comply with union directive by facilitating those things?


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« Reply #1780 on: April 30, 2019, 11:02:47 PM »
The individual teachers would be wilfully refusing to comply with union directive by facilitating those things?

Yes, Iíd say there are lots of individuals within schools doing what they normally did. They probably feel a sense of duty to the kids and will carry on regardless, for some itís still a vocation as such, and refusing to do things (rightly or wrongly) will do what they feel is right to them. Course there are others whoíll use it to avoid work.

Iíve worked in a union environment for many years, I never once seen any benefits from it, but paid my dues and went on strike and still ended up taking a revised offer of the same offer that was offered in first place, but I was minus maybe four days and lost out on overtime!

How many years has this Ďindustrial actioní taken place?
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« Reply #1781 on: April 30, 2019, 11:11:07 PM »
Their prerogative. There are those who say they should be fcuked out of the union.

Itís just when you said that your wife ďdidnít notice one differenceĒ and that sheís still doing the same things, it seemed like it wasnít her choice.
Itís going on about 2 years or so I think.
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« Reply #1782 on: April 30, 2019, 11:21:19 PM »
Know nothing about this but

LA teachers went on strike a few months back... all out of work till their demands were met.

Politicians who hadnt been involved and were happy enough for the school district to take the flack for no resolution with the teachers union were suddenly falling over themselves to get involved and give out pay rises.

My point is whatever your gripe is.... all out strike until its resolved, see what happens then!

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« Reply #1783 on: April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM »
Their prerogative. There are those who say they should be fcuked out of the union.

Itís going on about 2 years or so I think.

The modern world donít see the union like it was when I was a nipper. A proper full on strike, would in the short term caused havoc but would it have been better than this two year+ malarkey?

Either way, kids are still being taught, and schools are still achieving decent results, Iím still wondering how this strike action is making life easier for the teacher? She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5
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« Reply #1784 on: April 30, 2019, 11:26:14 PM »
Their prerogative. There are those who say they should be fcuked out of the union.

Itís going on about 2 years or so I think.

The modern world donít see the union like it was when I was a nipper. A proper full on strike, would in the short term caused havoc but would it have been better than this two year+ malarkey?

Either way, kids are still being taught, and schools are still achieving decent results, Iím still wondering how this strike action is making life easier for the teacher? She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5
9.-5? That's overtime in the civil service!