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BennyCake

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5475 on: May 17, 2018, 05:02:59 PM »
FA cup style draw. Forget tiers.

I remember some non league bucko jumping around the changing room once completely starkers when seeing his team had drew a big gun in the FA cup. That's what we should be aiming for. Well, not exactly that, but the sight of Leitrim going mental because the dubs are coming to town. Yes they'll probably be stuffed, but so were Tyrone in last years semi.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5476 on: May 17, 2018, 05:04:51 PM »
Dubs won't be going to anyone's town ;)
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5477 on: May 17, 2018, 05:24:35 PM »
People are talking about Offaly alright😁

Big deal. So we're in trouble. Ye've never been in trouble, or playing naked pool or anything like that.

We were reigning Connacht champions when we got the pool cues out, in fairness.

You should hear the one about the Mayo lads tearing the toilet seats off in the niteclub..

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5478 on: May 17, 2018, 05:53:06 PM »
People are talking about Offaly alright😁

Big deal. So we're in trouble. Ye've never been in trouble, or playing naked pool or anything like that.

We were reigning Connacht champions when we got the pool cues out, in fairness.

You should hear the one about the Mayo lads tearing the toilet seats off in the niteclub..

That is true in fairness. Still embarrassing though. Unfortunately in Offaly we seem to have made an art form out of shooting ourselves in the foot area.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5479 on: May 17, 2018, 08:08:05 PM »
So how to intermediate and junior club finals in counties generate such excitement for the clubs attending?

I am convinced 2nd tier competition is a great idea it just needs to be properly sold and promoted and written into TV contracts - you want the big games, you need to show these games too. The problem is the complete balls that the Tommy Murphy cup has soured peoples opinions on what it could be like.

Not just the Tommy Murphy Cup. The McDonagh Cup in hurling, the Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard etc. People know that if you are not playing in the main competition, nobody gives a toss about what you do. Players have a tiered league, and they want to at least play a big championship game at least once or twice a summer. In an amateur game, a lot of what lads get for the effort they put in is a bit of local/national recognition.

Everyone knows Niall McNamee as one of the top forwards in Ireland. Likewise numerous other players from smaller counties. Who is the best Carlow hurler? The best Louth hurler?
Who was the best Louth hurler of the 90s,80's,  70s.
How many years did Louth enter the Leinster SHC?
When did they last play Kilkenny and what was the score?
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5480 on: May 17, 2018, 08:37:02 PM »
So how to intermediate and junior club finals in counties generate such excitement for the clubs attending?

I am convinced 2nd tier competition is a great idea it just needs to be properly sold and promoted and written into TV contracts - you want the big games, you need to show these games too. The problem is the complete balls that the Tommy Murphy cup has soured peoples opinions on what it could be like.

Not just the Tommy Murphy Cup. The McDonagh Cup in hurling, the Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard etc. People know that if you are not playing in the main competition, nobody gives a toss about what you do. Players have a tiered league, and they want to at least play a big championship game at least once or twice a summer. In an amateur game, a lot of what lads get for the effort they put in is a bit of local/national recognition.

Everyone knows Niall McNamee as one of the top forwards in Ireland. Likewise numerous other players from smaller counties. Who is the best Carlow hurler? The best Louth hurler?
Who was the best Louth hurler of the 90s,80's,  70s.
How many years did Louth enter the Leinster SHC?
When did they last play Kilkenny and what was the score?

The historic neglect of hurling's weaker counties is NOT a reason to start neglecting football's weaker counties. Do you not see you are saying 'Look how shit hurling has always been in Louth, let's make the football the same'.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5481 on: May 17, 2018, 09:02:18 PM »
Calm down AZ I'm saying no such thing.

Hurling has always been a minor minority sport in Louth and 18 or 19 other Counties and will remain so even if the GAA pumped millions into trying to make it a popular game in the said Counties.
Putting all 32 Counties into the SHC would be the most ludicrous thing ever and no one is suggesting it ....apart from AZ's inferences.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5482 on: May 17, 2018, 09:08:44 PM »
Calm down AZ I'm saying no such thing.

Hurling has always been a minor minority sport in Louth and 18 or 19 other Counties and will remain so even if the GAA pumped millions into trying to make it a popular game in the said Counties.
Putting all 32 Counties into the SHC would be the most ludicrous thing ever and no one is suggesting it ....apart from AZ's inferences.
The skill levels required are much higher in hurling.This does not mean hurling is superior. It is just a fact. A talented 16 year old foreigner could join a good football team easily enough but not a good hurling team.  Its very hard to transplant a successful county hurling culture to a new county.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5483 on: May 17, 2018, 09:38:50 PM »
Calm down AZ I'm saying no such thing.

Hurling has always been a minor minority sport in Louth and 18 or 19 other Counties and will remain so even if the GAA pumped millions into trying to make it a popular game in the said Counties.
Putting all 32 Counties into the SHC would be the most ludicrous thing ever and no one is suggesting it ....apart from AZ's inferences.

I知 not suggesting it either. What I知 saying is the way the lesser championships are treated in hurling is EXACTLY what would happen the lesser football championships.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5484 on: May 17, 2018, 09:55:24 PM »
Calm down AZ I'm saying no such thing.

Hurling has always been a minor minority sport in Louth and 18 or 19 other Counties and will remain so even if the GAA pumped millions into trying to make it a popular game in the said Counties.
Putting all 32 Counties into the SHC would be the most ludicrous thing ever and no one is suggesting it ....apart from AZ's inferences.

I知 not suggesting it either. What I知 saying is the way the lesser championships are treated in hurling is EXACTLY what would happen the lesser football championships.
I don't necessarily think so
During the summer you can start talking to the fella beside you on the beach about what county he is from and then how the footballers are going.  This won't change. A tiered system would mean more matches for most counties so more exposure. Men will watch or read about endless sport.
The promotion/relegation would be very interesting. It would probably mean more transformations are executed. I think under the current system for D3 and D4 momentum is very hard to carry over from one season to the next. The current system favours the stronger counties. the ones who can build momentum.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5485 on: May 17, 2018, 10:01:05 PM »
 ;D Yes we irish make a regular habit of going to the beach what with the tropical weather and all :D

There was little to no coverage of the joe mcdonagh games at the weekend. The ring, rackard etc get no coverage. The tommy murphy got little to none.

Sure it has already started with less coverage this year. The super 8s will be where the interest is.

So in summary az is bang on.

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« Reply #5486 on: May 17, 2018, 10:15:58 PM »
;D Yes we irish make a regular habit of going to the beach what with the tropical weather and all :D

There was little to no coverage of the joe mcdonagh games at the weekend. The ring, rackard etc get no coverage. The tommy murphy got little to none.

Sure it has already started with less coverage this year. The super 8s will be where the interest is.

So in summary az is bang on.
Football and hurling are totally different. The hurling audience is much smaller . The gap between the first 10 and second 10 is immense. In football it is less so. If there is hurling on TV only hurling people will.watch it. Far more people watch football.

Tiered divisions will get the media attention.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5487 on: May 17, 2018, 10:26:39 PM »
They are different but not as different as you think.

People supporting top tier teams wouldn't have that much interest in lower tier games.

Remember the tommy murphy cup?

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5488 on: May 17, 2018, 10:29:15 PM »
Calm down AZ I'm saying no such thing.

Hurling has always been a minor minority sport in Louth and 18 or 19 other Counties and will remain so even if the GAA pumped millions into trying to make it a popular game in the said Counties.
Putting all 32 Counties into the SHC would be the most ludicrous thing ever and no one is suggesting it ....apart from AZ's inferences.

I知 not suggesting it either. What I知 saying is the way the lesser championships are treated in hurling is EXACTLY what would happen the lesser football championships.
I don't necessarily think so
During the summer you can start talking to the fella beside you on the beach about what county he is from and then how the footballers are going.  This won't change. A tiered system would mean more matches for most counties so more exposure. Men will watch or read about endless sport.
The promotion/relegation would be very interesting. It would probably mean more transformations are executed. I think under the current system for D3 and D4 momentum is very hard to carry over from one season to the next. The current system favours the stronger counties. the ones who can build momentum.
We already have that its called the NFL and GAA top brass should look at ways to make that competition more important than forever chopping and changing our cup competition (All Ireland football championship) to favour the stronger counties.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5489 on: May 17, 2018, 11:57:20 PM »
For Fck sake stop calling our CHAMPIONSHIP a"Cup competition".
Anyway any competition will favour the stronger teams unless you bring in handicapping.
For all its good points the NFL is a pre season tournament.
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