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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5265 on: February 08, 2018, 06:02:09 PM »
Well apparently the Skoda has to be hosted and streamed live from every county ground and be available world wide an a subscription platform like GAA Go or better.

The Skoda also has to make deals with local radio stations to access their commentaries. It should also be making GAA historical documentaries and magazine shows.

The Skoda is no longer a Skoda. It is a media conglomerate.

And you are now misrepresenting my whole point in this argument AZ. You and others said "look at what they do on county sites, why can't they do that on RTE/Eir/Sky/TG4/TV3 etc" and I told you exactly why they couldn't. Nobody is saying that county sites don't do great work, and nobody is saying that it is not a good idea for them to stream matches. I was just answering the question why national broadcasters don't.

In short, you keep on coming into my Porsche dealership looking for a Skoda. I've explained many times why you can't get one here.

I'll be getting a restraining order next  ;D

I'm not advocating this on RTE/EIR. That was someone else. I'm looking for a dedicated online service.

Yeah, you are looking for something along the lines of MILB - and I thought  I gave a fairly cogent answer as to why that model wouldn't work over here.

So now we've progressed to me looking under the bonnet of the Skoda and telling you it won't go as fast as the Porsche, and you turning around and entering it in Le Mans.


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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5266 on: February 08, 2018, 06:07:19 PM »
Well apparently the Skoda has to be hosted and streamed live from every county ground and be available world wide an a subscription platform like GAA Go or better.

The Skoda also has to make deals with local radio stations to access their commentaries. It should also be making GAA historical documentaries and magazine shows.

The Skoda is no longer a Skoda. It is a media conglomerate.

And you are now misrepresenting my whole point in this argument AZ. You and others said "look at what they do on county sites, why can't they do that on RTE/Eir/Sky/TG4/TV3 etc" and I told you exactly why they couldn't. Nobody is saying that county sites don't do great work, and nobody is saying that it is not a good idea for them to stream matches. I was just answering the question why national broadcasters don't.

In short, you keep on coming into my Porsche dealership looking for a Skoda. I've explained many times why you can't get one here.

I'll be getting a restraining order next  ;D

I'm not advocating this on RTE/EIR. That was someone else. I'm looking for a dedicated online service.

Yeah, you are looking for something along the lines of MILB - and I thought  I gave a fairly cogent answer as to why that model wouldn't work over here.

So now we've progressed to me looking under the bonnet of the Skoda and telling you it won't go as fast as the Porsche, and you turning around and entering it in Le Mans.

I disagree that it wouldn't work here. I point to Armagh and Mayo TV as exhibit A and B. If we had 32 individual counties all running their own .TV,  we'd actually have what I'm talking about by default.

I don't want to enter Le Mans. I just want to have a drive around the country nice and leisurely.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5267 on: February 08, 2018, 06:23:47 PM »
That is a bit disingenuous - MILB, which you specifically used an example seems to be a different beast than Armagh or Mayo TV, and I answered directly as to why that wouldn't work over here.

I also said that baseball as a boundary game is more suited to wide shots, robotic cams etc, whereas I don't think the same can be said of football and hurling.

That said, we don't really know enough about Mayo and Armagh TV. We don't know if they make a profit - I would suspect they don't. I would think that their costs are covered by sponsors - which is all well and good. However, the problem with running a service from sponsorship money is that if the sponsor loses interest, then the service offered could go to the wall.

I have a mate who was done a lot in this area, advising county boards on media stuff and things - I might give him a buzz over the weekend and see what he thinks of the landscape at the moment. He is a Mayo man so I'd say he is plugged in there.

I just don't think there is enough of an appetite for raw footage of games for these types of channels to stand alone, especially given our relatively small population and the lack of local broadcasting infrastructure.

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« Reply #5268 on: February 08, 2018, 06:26:32 PM »
Great insight easytiger, I'm not a fan of the RTE coverage at all during the summer and much less the league coverage on Sunday evenings.
Interesting to see the challenges involved that a lay person wouldn't have any clue about really but I would still be very much of the opinion that of the GAA resources and footage that RTE do have access to, they use it very poorly.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5269 on: February 08, 2018, 06:26:57 PM »
That is a bit disingenuous - MILB, which you specifically used an example seems to be a different beast than Armagh or Mayo TV, and I answered directly as to why that wouldn't work over here.

I also said that baseball as a boundary game is more suited to wide shots, robotic cams etc, whereas I don't think the same can be said of football and hurling.

That said, we don't really know enough about Mayo and Armagh TV. We don't know if they make a profit - I would suspect they don't. I would think that their costs are covered by sponsors - which is all well and good. However, the problem with running a service from sponsorship money is that if the sponsor loses interest, then the service offered could go to the wall.

I have a mate who was done a lot in this area, advising county boards on media stuff and things - I might give him a buzz over the weekend and see what he thinks of the landscape at the moment. He is a Mayo man so I'd say he is plugged in there.

I just don't think there is enough of an appetite for raw footage of games for these types of channels to stand alone, especially given our relatively small population and the lack of local broadcasting infrastructure.

And you could well be right. I think it's more attainable though, than some of the more 'optimistic' opinions on what RTE/EIR/TG4 could do in a very professional manner.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5270 on: February 08, 2018, 06:43:05 PM »
What youíre all arguing about boils down to timescale - eventually cellular coverage and via fiber optic networks  will be so good that you could stream a match from the Aran Islands with little issue, all the while video compression will get better and better with .265 HEVC only starting to break through right now. And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

When these things happen, who knows. But anyone who thinks that the service outline cannot happen for technical reasons is, frankly, wrong. I think itís very feasible already.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5271 on: February 08, 2018, 06:59:55 PM »
What youíre all arguing about boils down to timescale - eventually cellular coverage and via fiber optic networks  will be so good that you could stream a match from the Aran Islands with little issue, all the while video compression will get better and better with .265 HEVC only starting to break through right now. And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

When these things happen, who knows. But anyone who thinks that the service outline cannot happen for technical reasons is, frankly, wrong. I think itís very feasible already.

I'd actually love to get a service outline from you beyond "stream all matches - make it like GAA Go". I'd like to see some kind of structure. What is it that you want? Because, frankly, if you don't outline specifically what you want, then it is very easy to claim that it would work. And given that one of the only things that you have been clear about is the reliance on the broadband infrastructure currently at county grounds for this new service, then I think scepticism is warranted.


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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5272 on: February 08, 2018, 07:00:58 PM »
And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

God, I just saw this.

Unicorns.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5273 on: February 08, 2018, 07:02:45 PM »
And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

God, I just saw this.

Unicorns.

You seriously think that won't happen? Seriously?

You're way off base if you don't realise the amount of jobs that will be done cheaper and better than humans by AI in the decades ahead.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5274 on: February 08, 2018, 07:42:10 PM »
What youíre all arguing about boils down to timescale - eventually cellular coverage and via fiber optic networks  will be so good that you could stream a match from the Aran Islands with little issue, all the while video compression will get better and better with .265 HEVC only starting to break through right now. And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

When these things happen, who knows. But anyone who thinks that the service outline cannot happen for technical reasons is, frankly, wrong. I think itís very feasible already.

Look at elon musk. Almost anything is possible with money.

Any level of compression will still require a half decent network backbone.

We have areas without significantly better bandwidth than a dialup modem.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5275 on: February 08, 2018, 08:29:59 PM »
And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

God, I just saw this.

Unicorns.

You seriously think that won't happen? Seriously?

You're way off base if you don't realise the amount of jobs that will be done cheaper and better than humans by AI in the decades ahead.
Syf i already work with robotic cameras and voice recignition software. We are always looking to see what advances there are in automation. But AI controlled cameras are at least a decade away and they will be used in studio situations.
Your optimism abiut them being used in a match situation represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what cameras actually do at a match, which makes your certainty in your pronouncements all the more baffling. I can see AI providing nice add ons such as player cams etc but the software is miles and years away from replacing staff on main match cams.

Which kind of makes it irrelevant to the discussion about a service and opportunity you think is just around the corner- and you still haven't described.

Just because elon musk stuck a tesla in space doesn't mean that we'll all be orbiting in sports cars next year.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5276 on: February 08, 2018, 08:55:52 PM »
That is a bit disingenuous - MILB, which you specifically used an example seems to be a different beast than Armagh or Mayo TV, and I answered directly as to why that wouldn't work over here.

I also said that baseball as a boundary game is more suited to wide shots, robotic cams etc, whereas I don't think the same can be said of football and hurling.

That said, we don't really know enough about Mayo and Armagh TV. We don't know if they make a profit - I would suspect they don't. I would think that their costs are covered by sponsors - which is all well and good. However, the problem with running a service from sponsorship money is that if the sponsor loses interest, then the service offered could go to the wall.

I have a mate who was done a lot in this area, advising county boards on media stuff and things - I might give him a buzz over the weekend and see what he thinks of the landscape at the moment. He is a Mayo man so I'd say he is plugged in there.

I just don't think there is enough of an appetite for raw footage of games for these types of channels to stand alone, especially given our relatively small population and the lack of local broadcasting infrastructure.

And you could well be right. I think it's more attainable though, than some of the more 'optimistic' opinions on what RTE/EIR/TG4 could do in a very professional manner.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5277 on: February 08, 2018, 11:09:18 PM »
It would seem that we (i.e. county boards, gaa and most of all those horrible c***ts at RTE) have now become guilty of not fully embracing as yet unavailable technology, to record dismal highlights of natches that nobody much really wants.

Syf why not just jump beyond automated cameraman, and devise a payment gateway to rent a share of someoneís eyes from people who are at the match? Because all Iím getting from this thread is that everyone wants something different.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5278 on: February 08, 2018, 11:35:57 PM »
All everyone wants is a live feed being available from the countless games not being televised but being recorded anyways. Storing them is the simplest part of it all.

Can you not see the value for GAA supporters in having access to recordings of every televised match from the last 30-40 years? Currently there's an archive that no one has access to but that at least some would pay to have access to. As with all things, financial imperatives will be what make it happen.

Too many here are stuck in old ways and old media. The difference in technology in the last ten years has been breath-taking - in 2008 most people used feature phones while today everyone's mother carries around a supercomputer with 4G internet access and a camera that puts older DSLRs to shame. People watch more videos on Facebook, Netflix and YouTube than their TVs now.

Where do you think we will be in ten years? Because it damn sure isn't going to be where we are right now. The GAA can either face what's coming head on or it can wait until it's playing catch-up as usual.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5279 on: February 08, 2018, 11:52:36 PM »
I certainly don't want to watch every game in the NFL or even the Championships whether on TV or the Syfīn nerdy super futuristic
Eyeball thingymajig.
Now a decent show on RT… that would end up with all NFL results and tables and a few minutes chat about Divs 3 and 4 would be just grand.
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