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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 12:07:09 PM »
You cannot point at success at one level and state categorically that it will translate to another. Clearly minor success doesn’t always translate to senior success. There are a lot of factors that will come in to play in the next few years. (Study, Travel, Drink etc)
Examples:
Kerry won one AI minor in the 90’s (1994) yet picked up numerous senior titles between ’97 and ‘08
Dublin have won one AI minor this century (2012) yet have won 5 of the last 7 Senior titles.
Laois reached three AI final’s in a row in the 90’s winning in two, all they have to show for it is one solitary Leinster Senior title.
Tyrone won the Al Minor in ’04, ’08 and ’10.  Essentially 3 different teams.  They won Sam in ’08, but haven’t got to a senior final since.
In Hurling Galway have appeared in 18 AI minor finals, (since 1990) winning 10.  They have one solitary Senior success.
In club football, Glen (Derry) have dominated the underage scene since 2011.  They won 4 Ulster minor club titles in a row. They’ve won the last 3 U21 Ulster club titles.  They have yet to appear in a Senior county final since their winning streak started.  Slaughtneil on the other hand, last won a county minor title in 2000, but have won the last 3 senior county titles, won two Ulster titles and appeared in 2 All-Ireland club finals!
Underage success is good, but it isn't a barometer for future senior success.

Its a fair point and it doesn't mean senior success alright, but 4 in a row, with the resources and money Kerry have to bring these lads to the next level and transition to U-20 and senior will be carefully managed. Only time will tell but as Colm o Rourke believe the GAA is all about participation etc, is Kerry domination at minor not a concern as Dublin in the senior, if they win 5 or 6 minors (u-17) in a row, will there be concerns then.

Again, its a only time will tell issue.

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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 12:21:33 PM »
Another example on population. New Zealand Rugby, pop 4 million, dwarfed by France, England, Australia, South Africa, but dominate.


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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 12:27:21 PM »
Yeah right.
Haiti keep winning World Cups????

Other way around, out of the top 10 most populated countries in the world, 1 of them has won a world cup. Just a small example, im sure there is better comparisons out there.

China and India didn't do soccer much.
 After all Antrim is the second biggest population County but haven't done anything in football since around 1910.
For one very good reason.

Can use Antrim as an example, come on.

Soccer is played more in Dublin, it has one of the biggest amateur soccer leagues in Europe, a resource rich competitor in Leinster and vast tracks of areas with no GAA at all.

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Sligo town has a strong local soccer tradition, Limerick city more so, and a strong rugby scene which isn't as class/school based as it might be in Dublin, plenty of other towns/cities would be similar too. It's not a problem exclusive to Dublin.

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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 12:35:37 PM »
Another example on population. New Zealand Rugby, pop 4 million, dwarfed by France, England, Australia, South Africa, but dominate.
Because it is the undisputed main sport in the country, as it is in Wales. Their strength has sustained itself and their development of talent and the culture of success has made them the best rugby nation by a distance, indeed like the Dubs they showed an inability to win the big prize until 2011 and haven't looked back since, and going by last weekend they are pulling ahead to a worrying degree.
Rugby would probably be second to soccer in France, at best third in England behind soccer and cricket (and a clear North/South split between Rugbys League and Union), fourth in Australia behind Australian Rules, cricket and Rugby League, South Africa might be the exception but cricket is very prominent there too.

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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2017, 04:46:32 PM »
The 1.3 million people in Dublin and especially the 150,000 males between 18 and 35 will stop Kerry's 135,000 people and their 12,500  male 18 to 35 year olds dominating.

Doubtful, it has be proven, across the world since the start of time, population means nothing in sport. Your point is just following the narrative of the agenda.

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You are dead right that's why the poorest and one of the least populated countries in the World has dominated the Olympics, aka USA.

Olympics has multiple different sports. Poor comparison.

I would look at International football.

Ha! The Olympics doesn't count because it's multitude of sports, it's actually the perfect model population + finance = medals. Doesn't suit your narrative though.
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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2017, 05:57:09 PM »
You seem to be forgetting that Dublin have won 4 U21 All-Irelands since 2010 and won all but 2 Leinster U21's since 2009. U21 can be a better reflection of what you will get at Senior level as the players are more developed, conditioned and can feed directly into the senior team. The first of the Kerry Minor 4 in a row team teams were beaten at the semi-final stage this year so that could show regression already.
Dublin appear to have a good development plan given they only contested 2 Minor AI finals since 2010 (1W 1L) yet have won 4 U21's. Some would suggest that money spent developing players in this area is more beneficial to the senior team. You have to have a base of players, which they clearly have with 5 Leinster Minor titles since 2009, then focus on physical development and conditioning from there.
Only time will tell, but any other county in the country would be ecstatic with 50% of the above success.
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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2017, 06:13:35 PM »
There is something wrong with the Kerry transmission mechanism. They used to be able to beat the Dubs . They have been reduced to winning Sams against teams such as Cork and Mayo. If either team is washing its hair in September Kerry don't get Sam.
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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2017, 09:15:46 PM »
Next year's U17 crop is also very talented and it will take a very good team to beat them. One concern I would have is for a much more physical, less skillful team blowing them out of the water, more evident at U17 than U18. But the general consensus on this board is that all the talent we have seen since 2014 will probably come to naught. That is very debatable. I'm fully in tune with the development squads from U14 up and am very excited about the future. It will still take 2019 at the earliest to see the first proper transition to senior. I would expect Kerry to also be very competitive if not winning U20s in the not too distant future with or without David Clifford and Sean O'Shea.
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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2017, 08:32:53 AM »
The 1.3 million people in Dublin and especially the 150,000 males between 18 and 35 will stop Kerry's 135,000 people and their 12,500  male 18 to 35 year olds dominating.

Doubtful, it has be proven, across the world since the start of time, population means nothing in sport. Your point is just following the narrative of the agenda.

Next . . . . ..

You are dead right that's why the poorest and one of the least populated countries in the World has dominated the Olympics, aka USA.

Olympics has multiple different sports. Poor comparison.

I would look at International football.

Ha! The Olympics doesn't count because it's multitude of sports, it's actually the perfect model population + finance = medals. Doesn't suit your narrative though.

Disagree. International football.

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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2017, 09:12:08 AM »
Another example on population. New Zealand Rugby, pop 4 million, dwarfed by France, England, Australia, South Africa, but dominate.
Because it is the undisputed main sport in the country, as it is in Wales. Their strength has sustained itself and their development of talent and the culture of success has made them the best rugby nation by a distance, indeed like the Dubs they showed an inability to win the big prize until 2011 and haven't looked back since, and going by last weekend they are pulling ahead to a worrying degree.
Rugby would probably be second to soccer in France, at best third in England behind soccer and cricket (and a clear North/South split between Rugbys League and Union), fourth in Australia behind Australian Rules, cricket and Rugby League, South Africa might be the exception but cricket is very prominent there too.


Soccer is by far the biggest sport in SA.

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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2017, 09:26:49 AM »
Another example on population. New Zealand Rugby, pop 4 million, dwarfed by France, England, Australia, South Africa, but dominate.
Because it is the undisputed main sport in the country, as it is in Wales. Their strength has sustained itself and their development of talent and the culture of success has made them the best rugby nation by a distance, indeed like the Dubs they showed an inability to win the big prize until 2011 and haven't looked back since, and going by last weekend they are pulling ahead to a worrying degree.
Rugby would probably be second to soccer in France, at best third in England behind soccer and cricket (and a clear North/South split between Rugbys League and Union), fourth in Australia behind Australian Rules, cricket and Rugby League, South Africa might be the exception but cricket is very prominent there too.


Soccer is by far the biggest sport in SA.

As it is in Dublin too.

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Re: Kerry set to dominate Football at all age levels.
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2017, 09:29:47 AM »
Next year's U17 crop is also very talented and it will take a very good team to beat them. One concern I would have is for a much more physical, less skillful team blowing them out of the water, more evident at U17 than U18. But the general consensus on this board is that all the talent we have seen since 2014 will probably come to naught. That is very debatable. I'm fully in tune with the development squads from U14 up and am very excited about the future. It will still take 2019 at the earliest to see the first proper transition to senior. I would expect Kerry to also be very competitive if not winning U20s in the not too distant future with or without David Clifford and Sean O'Shea.


kerry lucky that minor is changing in 2018 to u17 or there would be no 5 in a row