Dublin Vs Meath

[Shamrock Shore]

€20,000 each Hardy.

[Hardy]

Just announced now - five Meath players get eight weeks, including Kenny, Crawford, McKeigue and four get 4 weeks, including Fay.

Totally outrageous, of course, since the aggression came from Dublin, in a continuation of their behaviour throughout the league and the Meath lads have been punished for defending themselves. What were they supposed to do - stand there and be hammered?

[heffo]

Just announced now - five Meath players get eight weeks, including Kenny, Crawford, McKeigue and four get 4 weeks, including Fay.

Totally outrageous, of course, since the aggression came from Dublin, in a continuation of their behaviour throughout the league and the Meath lads have been punished for defending themselves. What were they supposed to do - stand there and be hammered?

Horseshit. They were just as much the agressors as Dublin.

[magpie seanie]

The fines are tough. Who exactly are they punishing? Not the lads who were in the row anyways. They'll still get their grants etc etc but some poor eejits who had nothing to do with the row will have to raise the extra 20k to run the county board.

[Stevie Nicks]

You cant blame a former manager for the current panel of players attitude and discpline ( or lack of )

If he had let them go down the shagging tunnel we wouldn't be in this mess.

There is no doubt that the change of attitude came from that half time in the qualifiers against us in Croker. T Lyons was a joke and Dublin may as well not have come out in the second half. However Pillar has taken it to the extreme. Somewhere in between is what was needed as I believe the Dubs have the tallent to win an AI but not by bringing all this attention onto themselves they now will suffer, refs will blow them for anything now.

[Hardy]

I agree Seanie.

Heffo, have you watched the video? The only contacts made by Meathmen were Darren Fay taking his own man out of it and Murphy accidentally bumping into Brogan. The rest of it was Dublin corner-boys ganging up 3 and 4 to one on Meath players, who had no option but to defend themselves. I can't see how you can deny that (if you're still biting).

[heffo]

I agree Seanie.

Heffo, have you watched the video? The only contacts made by Meathmen were Darren Fay taking his own man out of it and Murphy accidentally bumping into Brogan. The rest of it was Dublin corner-boys ganging up 3 and 4 to one on Meath players, who had no option but to defend themselves. I can't see how you can deny that (if you're still biting).

Yawn....

[his holiness nb]

Hardy, good one!  

Fishing aside its quite clear that there were two full teams (except Cluxton) fully willing to dive in. Nothing to do with defending themselves.

We will never sort out indiscipline in the game as long as ye keep repeating "its all the Dubs" to yerselves.

[thejuice]

Didnt see many players running in to seperate those fighting, lets be honest.

Any word on the tea thrower, has he got banned from attending matches or what?

[Hound]

You cant blame a former manager for the current panel of players attitude and discpline ( or lack of )

If he had let them go down the shagging tunnel we wouldn't be in this mess.

There is no doubt that the change of attitude came from that half time in the qualifiers against us in Croker. T Lyons was a joke and Dublin may as well not have come out in the second half. However Pillar has taken it to the extreme. Somewhere in between is what was needed as I believe the Dubs have the tallent to win an AI but not by bringing all this attention onto themselves they now will suffer, refs will blow them for anything now.

Dublin's attitude has certainly changed, but being involved in two melees in four years (where the other teams were just as culpable) is hardly "taking it to the extreme".

All the bullshitters and shitstirrers can spout all they want, but Dublin are no tougher/dirtier than Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Monaghan.

[Jinxy]

Lets be honest here. This is far less of a problem at county level. Happens once in a blue moon. Club level is a different kettle of fish.

[Gnevin]

Word has it two months for Whelan, Connolly, Brogan and Flynn, month each for Quinn, McConnell, Fennell and Andrew

[GalwayBayBoy]

You cant blame a former manager for the current panel of players attitude and discpline ( or lack of )

If he had let them go down the shagging tunnel we wouldn't be in this mess.

There is no doubt that the change of attitude came from that half time in the qualifiers against us in Croker. T Lyons was a joke and Dublin may as well not have come out in the second half. However Pillar has taken it to the extreme. Somewhere in between is what was needed as I believe the Dubs have the tallent to win an AI but not by bringing all this attention onto themselves they now will suffer, refs will blow them for anything now.

Dublin's attitude has certainly changed, but being involved in two melees in four years (where the other teams were just as culpable) is hardly "taking it to the extreme".

All the bullshitters and shitstirrers can spout all they want, but Dublin are no tougher/dirtier than Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Monaghan.

In fairness the dubs are building up some list of ill discipline. Not my list by the way but it certainly highlights the now many incidents.

1. Pillar with his childish dig on John Morrison prior to the 2006 All Ireland semi. Ray Boyne stats man involved in this squabble

2. Battle of Omagh February 2006

3. Pillar having words with Ryan McMenanmin on the sideline after he was sent off league 07

4. Shane Ryan and others smirking at opponents after they get a score in last years championship. Brogan and Bonnar et al pointing at scoreboard and making all sorts of gestures in dying stages of Leinster Final. Dublin seem to be at this lark much more than other teams.

5. Declan O'Mahony throwing fists and kicks in a completely needless fashion in an OByrne Cup game v Carlow in January 2008

6. Vaughan and Cullen sent off v Monaghan. Vaughan blow very dirty no matter how you look at it. Pat on the back from pillar when he comes to the sideline

7. Stats man assaults player at end of Monaghan game

8. Captain Alan Brogan on pitch v Armagh for less than 10 mins when he gets straight red

10. Pillar on news saying Dublin dont have dirty players last week

11. 3 sent off by half time on straight red cards a few days later. One is Ciaran Whelan who amazingly got away with striking Meath and Westmeath players with haymakers in the recent past during big championship games

[Jell 0 Biafra]

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In fairness the dubs are building up some list of ill discipline. Not my list by the way but it certainly highlights the now many incidents.

1. Pillar with his childish dig on John Morrison prior to the 2006 All Ireland semi. Ray Boyne stats man involved in this squabble

2. Battle of Omagh February 2006

3. Pillar having words with Ryan McMenanmin on the sideline after he was sent off league 07

4. Shane Ryan and others smirking at opponents after they get a score in last years championship. Brogan and Bonnar et al pointing at scoreboard and making all sorts of gestures in dying stages of Leinster Final. Dublin seem to be at this lark much more than other teams.

5. Declan O'Mahony throwing fists and kicks in a completely needless fashion in an OByrne Cup game v Carlow in January 2008

6. Vaughan and Cullen sent off v Monaghan. Vaughan blow very dirty no matter how you look at it. Pat on the back from pillar when he comes to the sideline

7. Stats man assaults player at end of Monaghan game

8. Captain Alan Brogan on pitch v Armagh for less than 10 mins when he gets straight red

10. Pillar on news saying Dublin dont have dirty players last week

11. 3 sent off by half time on straight red cards a few days later. One is Ciaran Whelan who amazingly got away with striking Meath and Westmeath players with haymakers in the recent past during big championship games
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I take the point that Dublin have a discipline problem.  But whoever's list that is, some of the entries are frankly pathetic.  How is #10 an instance of lack of discipline?  And Pillar "having words" with McMen? 
Pointing at the scoreboard doesn't strike me as an example of lack of discipline either.  It's a lot better than allowing yourself to get drawn into a fight.

[Surreal Steve]

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/?jp=mhojidqlgbau&c=gaa%

Sixteen face suspensions after Dublin-Meath violence 22/04/2008 - 13:26:00

A record 16 players are set to be suspended in the wake of the violence that marred Dublin's National Football League clash with Meath at Parnell Park on Sunday.

The GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee informed both county boards of the suspensions last night.

Ciaran Whelan, Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn, Dermot Connolly, Paddy Andrews and Ross McConnell are reportedly among eight Dublin players set to be banned.

Meath stars Shane McAnarney, Darren Fay, Seamus Kenny, Niall McKeigue, Nigel Crawford, Caoimhin King, Peadar Byrne and Brendan Murphy are also facing four to eight weeks on the sidelines.