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Re: Man Utd Thread:
« Reply #45135 on: December 13, 2018, 08:01:26 PM »
Jones is grand when he has a proper centre half playing alongside him. Doing it all on his own most of the time tho.
Jones wouldn't look grand alongside Bruce,Stam,Vidic,Pallister or Rio Ferdinand in their prime. Giving his all yes but his all is not enough when he's such average and error ridden defender and he's injury prone also. Such mediocrity will likely be rewarded with new contract while some of the clubs more talented players will be sold.




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« Reply #45136 on: December 13, 2018, 08:16:31 PM »
Decent pro is Jones, never really fulfilled his early promise (Duncan Edwards was mentioned at one stage :o), not worthy of a starting place but good enough squad player. All those great United defenders you mention would have played with centre halves of similiar ability at various stages as very few teams would have the luxury of 4 world class centre backs

I'd imagine when Bailly- and Lindelof- were bought they were hardly Mourinhos 1st choice defenders but were bought with a view to competing with Rojo and a senior centre half who was to be bought later but never materialized for the two available slots. Smalling and Jones would be shipped on as they became senior pros and expensive to keep in contract. United have had deals to sell both but the wages were the stumbling block

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« Reply #45137 on: December 13, 2018, 09:47:09 PM »
Smalling and Jones were back ups who became first choices by succession rather than by unseating anyone.
Jones being so injury prone probably masks how error prone he is, because people give him the benefit of the doubt as he is usually on the comeback from injury.

In the summer of 2014 United off-loaded Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra who were 3 of the top defenders in the world. Ok, they were pushing on, but the years of penny pinching before that meant that equivalent replacements hadn't been sourced.
Even getting rid of Johnny Evans and Michael Keane around that time doesn't look so wise now.


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« Reply #45138 on: December 13, 2018, 09:49:49 PM »
Jonny Evans going was a huge mistake. As was John O’Shea at the time. A solid reliable player.

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« Reply #45139 on: December 13, 2018, 10:31:18 PM »
Evans, O Shea and Keane are pretty much in the same category as Smalling and Jones, good decent pros but a level below the best.

I'm pretty sure if you go back in this thread Evans and OShea would have got plenty of stick for not being good enough either

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« Reply #45140 on: December 13, 2018, 10:45:59 PM »
Evans, O Shea and Keane are pretty much in the same category as Smalling and Jones, good decent pros but a level below the best.

I'm pretty sure if you go back in this thread Evans and OShea would have got plenty of stick for not being good enough either

But better than current squad defenders though, that’s how bad it is
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #45141 on: December 13, 2018, 11:11:29 PM »
Evans, O Shea and Keane are pretty much in the same category as Smalling and Jones, good decent pros but a level below the best.

I'm pretty sure if you go back in this thread Evans and OShea would have got plenty of stick for not being good enough either
To a degree, yes. But they were better infused with the winning mentality from the Ferguson era, knew the standards expected and did their utmost to meet those standards.
In a lot of cases, players were jettisoned and replaced with a player with equal or lesser ability, so there was nothing particularly gained, but something gets lost along the way.
Other examples like Rafael, Fletcher were let go for cut price fees and replaced with players like Darmian and Schneiderlin. Eventually you rinse out the legacy from the glory days.

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« Reply #45142 on: Today at 10:54:15 AM »
Evans, O Shea and Keane are pretty much in the same category as Smalling and Jones, good decent pros but a level below the best.

I'm pretty sure if you go back in this thread Evans and OShea would have got plenty of stick for not being good enough either
To a degree, yes. But they were better infused with the winning mentality from the Ferguson era, knew the standards expected and did their utmost to meet those standards.
In a lot of cases, players were jettisoned and replaced with a player with equal or lesser ability, so there was nothing particularly gained, but something gets lost along the way.
Other examples like Rafael, Fletcher were let go for cut price fees and replaced with players like Darmian and Schneiderlin. Eventually you rinse out the legacy from the glory days.

Evans was linked with Man City as was Keane. This is the Utd of now. Give really top quality players away and sign absolute dross. Hernandez leading the line for the Hammers and we have 50p feet Lukaku. Worse than Smalling & Jones is Rojo, the man can't even make toast FFS.