Things that make you go What the F**k?

[Milltown Row2]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

Get Irexit done!!! Get that bus out showing how much is being lost!! I'm sure Boris has it stashed at Farage's home

[Armagh18]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

Doesnt make much sense does it. Meanwhile we can't even cut turf.

[AustinPowers]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

If people haven't   seen by now that the eu is indeed a steaming pile of shite  , they're never going to

[Armagh18]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

If people haven't   seen by now that the eu is indeed a steaming pile of shite  , they're never going to

Agreed. But look at the clusterfuck the brits are left with trying to leave it.

[general_lee]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

Have you any links to this? Any links to the change in EU food standards regulations allowing substandard beef to be exported? Any links to any gaps in the market created by countries with massive economies leaving the EU? Any links to subsidies offered to Irish/EU farmers over the past 40 years?

[Rudi]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

If people haven't   seen by now that the eu is indeed a steaming pile of shite  , they're never going to

https://gript.ie/a-land-grab-aided-and-abetted-by-the-state-td-on-coillte-situation/

[Rudi]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

Have you any links to this? Any links to the change in EU food standards regulations allowing substandard beef to be exported? Any links to any gaps in the market created by countries with massive economies leaving the EU? Any links to subsidies offered to Irish/EU farmers over the past 40 years?

Yes, goggle is your friend, Irish Times have an article about question 1. Sub standard is subjective, I have eaten Brazilian Steak - its shite. Third question, well its happened, the UK has left. Subsidies are a total false economy, always come to an end & when they do, will be painful.

[Rudi]

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=602b502842662507JmltdHM9MTY3NDA4NjQwMCZpZ3VpZD0xYTMzODA0My03YjdjLTZlNzEtMWQ0ZS04ZjcwN2EzYzZmOWYmaW5zaWQ9NTQzMw&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=1a338043-7b7c-6e71-1d4e-8f707a3c6f9f&psq=eu+south+america+trade+deal&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudGhlam91cm5hbC5pZS9ldS1tZXJjb3N1ci1kZWFsLWV4cGxhaW5lZC00NzA0NzkwLUp1bDIwMTkvIzp-OnRleHQ9TEFTVCUyMFdFRUslMkMlMjBUSEUlMjBFdXJvcGVhbiUyMFVuaW9uJTIwYW5ub3VuY2VkJTIwdGhhdCUyMGl0LG9mJTIwYWdyaWN1bHR1cmFsJTIwYW5kJTIwaW5kdXN0cmlhbCUyMHRhcmlmZnMlMjBvbiUyMGJvdGglMjBzaWRlcy4&ntb=1

[John Martin]

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=602b502842662507JmltdHM9MTY3NDA4NjQwMCZpZ3VpZD0xYTMzODA0My03YjdjLTZlNzEtMWQ0ZS04ZjcwN2EzYzZmOWYmaW5zaWQ9NTQzMw&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=1a338043-7b7c-6e71-1d4e-8f707a3c6f9f&psq=eu+south+america+trade+deal&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudGhlam91cm5hbC5pZS9ldS1tZXJjb3N1ci1kZWFsLWV4cGxhaW5lZC00NzA0NzkwLUp1bDIwMTkvIzp-OnRleHQ9TEFTVCUyMFdFRUslMkMlMjBUSEUlMjBFdXJvcGVhbiUyMFVuaW9uJTIwYW5ub3VuY2VkJTIwdGhhdCUyMGl0LG9mJTIwYWdyaWN1bHR1cmFsJTIwYW5kJTIwaW5kdXN0cmlhbCUyMHRhcmlmZnMlMjBvbiUyMGJvdGglMjBzaWRlcy4&ntb=1

That article is from 2019. Has something happened with this recently that has made you go What the f**k?

[general_lee]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

Have you any links to this? Any links to the change in EU food standards regulations allowing substandard beef to be exported? Any links to any gaps in the market created by countries with massive economies leaving the EU? Any links to subsidies offered to Irish/EU farmers over the past 40 years?

Yes, goggle is your friend, Irish Times have an article about question 1. Sub standard is subjective, I have eaten Brazilian Steak - its shite. Third question, well its happened, the UK has left. Subsidies are a total false economy, always come to an end & when they do, will be painful.

All I could find is a 4 year old article. Have you nothing more up to date? (Preferably not the John McGuirk diaries) Anything showing a slump in Irish beef exports? I found this article from last week, but maybe you've something more recent..
https://www.thecattlesite.com/news/irish-beef-exports-to-the-uk-increase-15

[AustinPowers]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

If people haven't   seen by now that the eu is indeed a steaming pile of shite  , they're never going to

https://gript.ie/a-land-grab-aided-and-abetted-by-the-state-td-on-coillte-situation/

The thing is when people hear  EU mentioned, they always  think of it in terms of a big cuddly teddy bear  .  They won't hear nothing  bad against them .  Irish politicians and many Irish people can't get enough of them , licking their boots the same way  unionists  kiss  tory  and royal arse . 

[Rudi]

EU Beef deals with South America, forcing the Irish man out or reducing his herd size substantially . While Brazil cut down more rain forests for land for this excess substandand beef. Not to mention shipping, air freight costs & associated carbon emissions to get this beef on our plates. By the next 25 years the EU will be wound up, countries will leave one by one, it will be seen for the steaming pile of shite that it is. The hypocrisy of these fools & our Irish puppet politicians with their trousers around their ankles knows no bounds.

Have you any links to this? Any links to the change in EU food standards regulations allowing substandard beef to be exported? Any links to any gaps in the market created by countries with massive economies leaving the EU? Any links to subsidies offered to Irish/EU farmers over the past 40 years?

Yes, goggle is your friend, Irish Times have an article about question 1. Sub standard is subjective, I have eaten Brazilian Steak - its shite. Third question, well its happened, the UK has left. Subsidies are a total false economy, always come to an end & when they do, will be painful.

All I could find is a 4 year old article. Have you nothing more up to date? (Preferably not the John McGuirk diaries) Anything showing a slump in Irish beef exports? I found this article from last week, but maybe you've something more recent..
https://www.thecattlesite.com/news/irish-beef-exports-to-the-uk-increase-15

I replied to Austin P in relation to land grab aided by Coillte, so less land to farm will lead to less beef, less revenue, more people living away from small villages / small towns, which will have an adverse affect on society. The trade deal with SA will fill the void left by decrease in beef, which will inevitably happen if we reduce farm land, Irish government reaches targets of reducing cattle stock, as per climate change targets.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Must be tough being this angry and annoyed at everything all the time.

[Rudi]

Must be tough being this angry and annoyed at everything all the time.

I presume that comment was aimed at me. I'm not angry at all, I'm merely have a reasoned debate with General Lee, who comes across as being polite, despite the fact we probably have different opinions on this particular topic. People can have reasoned debate without being angry, you should try it sometime, might improve your life.
Please quote examples of where I'm angry all the time.

[J70]

How much "decent" Irish farming land is going into forestry?

In my own case, half of what constituted our family farm in south Donegal was planted by Coillte about 20 years ago when my auld lad retired. The rest we've been renting since, for better or worse. This is drumlin country and the land needs a lot of work just to support raising hardy beef cattle breeds. You can't have cattle on the land basically from November through until May when the grass finally starts to grow again or they poach the f**k out of it. You have to put slurry or fertilizer out pretty regularly, which itself can be hard to do many years as the land is too wet to drive a tractor across it, never mind a full tank of slurry (I remember years when it would be so continuously wet that we had to simply blow it over the hedge into the field from the road just to empty the pit ahead of the winter - much of it probably ran straight down into the river). For my father, getting it planted was simply a way to ensure some minimum level of income for him (and later my mother) from fairly marginal land. Neither myself or my siblings were ever given the option of even thinking about trying to scratch a living out of the land - off to university and professional careers for all of us.

On the other hand, I have big issues with planting large tracts of land with the likes of Sitka Spruce. It is a non-native species and they plant the trees so densely that there is zero sunlight reaching the ground and thus no undergrowth. The soil gets acidified, which affects local streams and rivers and the biodiversity within. There is little to no wildlife (including invertebrates) you'd associate with native woodlands in these plantations due to the lack of any plants apart from the trees themselves. You might get something along the edge where sunlight fosters the growth of additional species, but once you ten feet into the interior, forget it.

Surely there are native tree species, including spruces and pines, which could be planted on this type of land in a manner which both supports biodiversity and carbon sequestration goals but also could provide lumber through thinning on a sustainable basis?

I would agree on the Brazilian beef thing - no f**king way we should be supporting what they're doing over there in the Amazon.