Things that make you go What the F**k?

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Gabriel_Hurl

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 26, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 26, 2018, 10:51:47 AMThe fathers vulnerability is being used by elements of Christian fundamental groups and advocates as a tool to force their own agenda.
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/989192073034260481

Joe Walsh @WalshFreedom

"Why does an American need an AR-15?"

To make sure what's happening to #AlfieEvans never happens here. That's why.

6:19 PM · Apr 25, 2018

This is a former Congressman who refuses to pay over $100,000 in back child support for his children  ::)

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 26, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 26, 2018, 10:51:47 AMThe fathers vulnerability is being used by elements of Christian fundamental groups and advocates as a tool to force their own agenda.
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/989192073034260481

Joe Walsh @WalshFreedom

"Why does an American need an AR-15?"

To make sure what's happening to #AlfieEvans never happens here. That's why.

6:19 PM · Apr 25, 2018

Well I'm glad the Terri Schiavo case never happened thanks to the presence of AR-15s in people's homes.

Tony Baloney

Da of Alfie Evans has fairly changed his tune. He must have a new advisor.

The Iceman

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 26, 2018, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 26, 2018, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 12:04:18 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 26, 2018, 12:03:11 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 26, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 26, 2018, 10:51:47 AMThe fathers vulnerability is being used by elements of Christian fundamental groups and advocates as a tool to force their own agenda.
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/989192073034260481

Joe Walsh @WalshFreedom

"Why does an American need an AR-15?"

To make sure what's happening to #AlfieEvans never happens here. That's why.

6:19 PM · Apr 25, 2018

Alfie Evans and his wee lad wouldn't have gotten through the door of a hospital over there unless he'd insurance in place...

Fact
Incorrect. He would have gotten through the door and treated in many states. Getting to stay would be a different matter altogether. There is free healthcare under CHIP in many states - I think 9million kids are currently covered under it. It isn't ideal for people on unemployment but its coverage and they get immediate attention rather than ahving to wait 6 months to see a specialist.

The whole thing is a mess. I couldn't care less about the dad's ramblings or if him and the mother aren't getting on. If that wee boy has a chance then let him fight

I think the key point is though he doesn't have a chance. The hospital in italy cannot cure him from
What I have read and can simply just provide palliative care. The boy is in a semi vegatative state. He will die. He has significant complications. The courts have read all this and ruled accordingly. The 'christian' thing to do is let him die with dignity. The court made a very valid point, this is what is in the best interests of the child not the parents. The counsel for the father made it out that the child's best interests were not paramount but the parents were. Provide the poor lad with the care that he can have and let him see his time out in comfort
I don't think being able to be "cured" is a requirement to keep someone alive?
I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight

gallsman

Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 26, 2018, 07:44:27 PM
Da of Alfie Evans has fairly changed his tune. He must have a new advisor.

What's he said now? I heard him on LBC earlier claiming the doctors in Alder Hey hate him and his family and that he believes that if they went to Italy, Alfie would be treated to the extent he'd wake up, despite the fact hospital in Rome has said that all they can provide is palliative care.

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 08:27:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 26, 2018, 07:44:27 PM
Da of Alfie Evans has fairly changed his tune. He must have a new advisor.

What's he said now? I heard him on LBC earlier claiming the doctors in Alder Hey hate him and his family and that he believes that if they went to Italy, Alfie would be treated to the extent he'd wake up, despite the fact hospital in Rome has said that all they can provide is palliative care.

The father of seriously ill toddler Alfie Evans says he wants to "build his relationship" with the hospital he has been locked in a legal battle with.

Tom Evans, who has been fighting to take his 23-month-old son out of Alder Hey Children's Hospital, said he now wanted to be "left alone" to do so.

The 21-year-old praised staff where Alfie is being treated for their professionalism and "dignity".

He also thanked supporters Alfie's Army but asked them "to go home".

In a statement on behalf of himself and Alfie's mother, Kate James, Mr Evans said: "Our lives have been turned upside down by the intense focus on Alfie and his situation.

"Our little family along with Alder Hey has become the centre of attention for many people around the world and it has meant we have not been able to live our lives as we would like.

"We are very grateful and we appreciate all the support we have received from around the world, including from our Italian and Polish supporters, who have dedicated their time and support to our incredible fight.

"We would now ask you to return back to your everyday lives and allow myself, Kate and Alder Hey to form a relationship, build a bridge and walk across it."

He said: "Together we recognise the strains recent events have put upon us all and we now wish for privacy for everyone concerned.

"In Alfie's interests we will work with his treatment team on a plan that provides our boy with the dignity and comfort he needs."

He added there would be no more statements issued or interviews given.

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: The Iceman on April 26, 2018, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 26, 2018, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 26, 2018, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 12:04:18 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 26, 2018, 12:03:11 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 26, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 26, 2018, 10:51:47 AMThe fathers vulnerability is being used by elements of Christian fundamental groups and advocates as a tool to force their own agenda.
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/989192073034260481

Joe Walsh @WalshFreedom

"Why does an American need an AR-15?"

To make sure what's happening to #AlfieEvans never happens here. That's why.

6:19 PM · Apr 25, 2018

Alfie Evans and his wee lad wouldn't have gotten through the door of a hospital over there unless he'd insurance in place...

Fact
Incorrect. He would have gotten through the door and treated in many states. Getting to stay would be a different matter altogether. There is free healthcare under CHIP in many states - I think 9million kids are currently covered under it. It isn't ideal for people on unemployment but its coverage and they get immediate attention rather than ahving to wait 6 months to see a specialist.

The whole thing is a mess. I couldn't care less about the dad's ramblings or if him and the mother aren't getting on. If that wee boy has a chance then let him fight

I think the key point is though he doesn't have a chance. The hospital in italy cannot cure him from
What I have read and can simply just provide palliative care. The boy is in a semi vegatative state. He will die. He has significant complications. The courts have read all this and ruled accordingly. The 'christian' thing to do is let him die with dignity. The court made a very valid point, this is what is in the best interests of the child not the parents. The counsel for the father made it out that the child's best interests were not paramount but the parents were. Provide the poor lad with the care that he can have and let him see his time out in comfort
I don't think being able to be "cured" is a requirement to keep someone alive?

He would have the same palliative care in Alder Hey as he would in Italy , presuming a seriously ill child was able to cope with the journey of over 1300 miles.

The Iceman

by definition it means to provide relief of symptoms and improve the quality of life of the patient.  I don't believe removing fluids falls under this? Nor does removing oxygen? Upping the pain killers to induce sedation and death is called euthanasia?

Nobody knows, including you or I, if Alfie could come around. He wouldn't be the first person to come out of a vegetative state? I think give him a chance. Give him care.  If he was my child I'd be fighting for that.
I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: The Iceman on April 26, 2018, 08:59:25 PM
by definition it means to provide relief of symptoms and improve the quality of life of the patient.  I don't believe removing fluids falls under this? Nor does removing oxygen? Upping the pain killers to induce sedation and death is called euthanasia?

Nobody knows, including you or I, if Alfie could come around. He wouldn't be the first person to come out of a vegetative state? I think give him a chance. Give him care.  If he was my child I'd be fighting for that.

He is virtually brain dead. Have you read any of the medical reports or the text of any of the judgements?  He will die. He will get the same care in Alder Hey as anywhere else.

Asal Mor

Quote from: The Iceman on April 26, 2018, 08:59:25 PM
by definition it means to provide relief of symptoms and improve the quality of life of the patient.  I don't believe removing fluids falls under this? Nor does removing oxygen? Upping the pain killers to induce sedation and death is called euthanasia?

Nobody knows, including you or I, if Alfie could come around. He wouldn't be the first person to come out of a vegetative state? I think give him a chance. Give him care.  If he was my child I'd be fighting for that.
The following is what Louis Theroux said about a man who came out of a coma after being similarly written off by his doctors, while Theroux was making a documentary about end of life care in LA.

'I was amazed,' reveals Theroux. 'The doctors had repeatedly told us – and told his family – that the best-case scenario for him would be that he remained in a vegetative state. Best case!

'So to have him wake up and walk again and converse normally was mind-blowing. "

I don't know what to make of the Alfie case but like Iceman said, it does happen. Doctors in that LA case thought the man was severely brain damaged but when he woke up he was mentally A1.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: Asal Mor on April 26, 2018, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 26, 2018, 08:59:25 PM
by definition it means to provide relief of symptoms and improve the quality of life of the patient.  I don't believe removing fluids falls under this? Nor does removing oxygen? Upping the pain killers to induce sedation and death is called euthanasia?

Nobody knows, including you or I, if Alfie could come around. He wouldn't be the first person to come out of a vegetative state? I think give him a chance. Give him care.  If he was my child I'd be fighting for that.
The following is what Louis Theroux said about a man who came out of a coma after being similarly written off by his doctors, while Theroux was making a documentary about end of life care in LA.

'I was amazed,' reveals Theroux. 'The doctors had repeatedly told us – and told his family – that the best-case scenario for him would be that he remained in a vegetative state. Best case!

'So to have him wake up and walk again and converse normally was mind-blowing. "

I don't know what to make of the Alfie case but like Iceman said, it does happen. Doctors in that LA case thought the man was severely brain damaged but when he woke up he was mentally A1.
Presumably man spent a life with full cognitive ability and was in a come due to a brain injury. This wee lad was born with a serious degenerative condition and I believe has never been well. The comparison is not valid imo.

gallsman

That case is irrelevant. Alfie has a degenerative brain condition that had reduced the majority of his brain to mere spinal fluid. He can't grow a new brain ffs.

It is this kind of nonsense being peddled by shite hawks that gives hope where none exists to the family and leads to morons in the internet babbling on about how the hospital plans to "murder" Alfie.

Milltown Row2

You'll be telling Lourdes is next, Iceman
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

The Iceman

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2018, 11:09:19 PM
You'll be telling Lourdes is next, Iceman
MR2 I volunteered for 5 summers in Lourdes. I've seen healing there and received healing of my own recently through prayer.  You can believe in it or not but I have faith and I've seen the results and experienced them.

Gallsman its very easy to discuss/debate with most people on here because they don't insult everyone that disagrees with them. You continue to insult anyone who crosses you and come across as the big man when you're anything but.... 
I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight

gallsman

You're under the illusion you're debating something. You're not and you have no interest in doing so.

I'm talking about facts. You refuse to even read the details of the case. It's pretty clear which of thinks they're the big man.

I'm delighted you have your faith and or comforts you so much. It won't help Alfie Evans grow a new brain though.