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« Reply #4980 on: June 20, 2018, 09:50:04 AM »
I know a couple of cyclists who now have recording devices on the rear of their bikes, not sure it's doing them any good (mentally anyway) as it's bringing home how vulnerable we really are and how much some motorists don't give a f**k. Some young fellas with the R plates reported to the cops within the first week of use.

As mentioned earlier by someone else phone use whilst driving is really scary. The amount of people doing it is ridiculous.

Agreed. Itís a bizarre thing that after 30 years of convincing then forcing people that putting on a seatbelt is not a punishment so much as a lifesaver, that we now have to go through it all again with phone usage in cars. People just wonít accept that theyíre in charge of a lethal weapon. People are c***ts.

But without meaning to continue to pillory our two wheeled friends, whatís even scarier again is a cyclist with headphones in, whoís determined to take the shortest route to their destination. At least the mobile phone driver will be sticking to the roads.

Are you for real? How is a cyclist with headphones in, taking the shortest route scary for you? Darwin's Law will take soon take care of such people though in all honesty I do not think there are too many cyclists out there who are think they will cut up a car as they are in a hurry.

A driver with a mindset like yours, [of which there appears to be many on this board], on the other hand is a seriously scary prospect for any cyclist.

I know secondhand 2 people that were killed whilst cycling, easy to see why in hindsight.


What? Hold on. What? So, because Iím highlighting that some people on bicycles are effectively wishing an accident upon themselves, that this means I have a ďmindsetĒ that is scary for cyclists? For pointing out that they should be more careful?

f**k me. If a cyclist is in the wrong, heís in the wrong. Just accept it and get in with it. Donít defend him because he happens to be sat on a saddle.

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« Reply #4981 on: June 20, 2018, 09:58:22 AM »
I know a couple of cyclists who now have recording devices on the rear of their bikes, not sure it's doing them any good (mentally anyway) as it's bringing home how vulnerable we really are and how much some motorists don't give a f**k. Some young fellas with the R plates reported to the cops within the first week of use.

As mentioned earlier by someone else phone use whilst driving is really scary. The amount of people doing it is ridiculous.

Agreed. Itís a bizarre thing that after 30 years of convincing then forcing people that putting on a seatbelt is not a punishment so much as a lifesaver, that we now have to go through it all again with phone usage in cars. People just wonít accept that theyíre in charge of a lethal weapon. People are c***ts.

But without meaning to continue to pillory our two wheeled friends, whatís even scarier again is a cyclist with headphones in, whoís determined to take the shortest route to their destination. At least the mobile phone driver will be sticking to the roads.

Are you for real? How is a cyclist with headphones in, taking the shortest route scary for you? Darwin's Law will take soon take care of such people though in all honesty I do not think there are too many cyclists out there who are think they will cut up a car as they are in a hurry.

A driver with a mindset like yours, [of which there appears to be many on this board], on the other hand is a seriously scary prospect for any cyclist.

I know secondhand 2 people that were killed whilst cycling, easy to see why in hindsight.


What? Hold on. What? So, because Iím highlighting that some people on bicycles are effectively wishing an accident upon themselves, that this means I have a ďmindsetĒ that is scary for cyclists? For pointing out that they should be more careful?

f**k me. If a cyclist is in the wrong, heís in the wrong. Just accept it and get in with it. Donít defend him because he happens to be sat on a saddle.

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For some reason, cyclists seem unwilling / unable / immune towards accepting their place on this food chain. Usually citing some bullshit about being here before cars, theyíll ride where they want, when they want, and are determined that itís everyone elseís responsibility to look out for them.

It takes a particularly selfish and insular personality trait to behave like on public roads. Hence, people who are drawn to cycling on roads are, by and large, c***ts.

This is your mindset. There is a 'foodchain' on the road and cyclists are at the bottom of it. Noone else should have responsibility for looking out for them.

They are, by and large selfish, insular c***ts - not much of a leap to say this attitude of yours is would also extend to whatever happens to them is their own fault

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« Reply #4982 on: June 20, 2018, 10:06:32 AM »
I know a couple of cyclists who now have recording devices on the rear of their bikes, not sure it's doing them any good (mentally anyway) as it's bringing home how vulnerable we really are and how much some motorists don't give a f**k. Some young fellas with the R plates reported to the cops within the first week of use.

As mentioned earlier by someone else phone use whilst driving is really scary. The amount of people doing it is ridiculous.

At least cyclists have that luxury of identifying a motorist who has been driving dangerously, breaking rules, cyclists do so with impunity.  Cyclists are selfish c***ts in my opinion!
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« Reply #4983 on: June 20, 2018, 10:09:33 AM »
I know a couple of cyclists who now have recording devices on the rear of their bikes, not sure it's doing them any good (mentally anyway) as it's bringing home how vulnerable we really are and how much some motorists don't give a f**k. Some young fellas with the R plates reported to the cops within the first week of use.

As mentioned earlier by someone else phone use whilst driving is really scary. The amount of people doing it is ridiculous.

At least cyclists have that luxury of identifying a motorist who has been driving dangerously, breaking rules, cyclists do so with impunity.  Cyclists are selfish c***ts in my opinion!
Mostly inoffensive middle aged, middle class parents in my experience.

Who have the God given right to cycle where they want, in as large of groups as they want with little or no consideration for others, and as you point out all wearing cameras so that if a motorist makes a mistake they can cry foul but ignore all their own failings.

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« Reply #4984 on: June 20, 2018, 10:12:27 AM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

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« Reply #4985 on: June 20, 2018, 10:15:30 AM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

That would come in handy to identify a Lycra clad cyclist wearing sun glasses and a helmet,  you never know they might have a number 6 on their ass.

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« Reply #4986 on: June 20, 2018, 10:25:19 AM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

That would come in handy to identify a Lycra clad cyclist wearing sun glasses and a helmet,  you never know they might have a number 6 on their ass.

Dental records could be used instead after you have flattened them.

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« Reply #4987 on: June 20, 2018, 10:28:27 AM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.
Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but itís of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, itíll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

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« Reply #4988 on: June 20, 2018, 10:39:08 AM »
Motorcyclists speed too much. I donít see how they are to be held as an example of proper highway etiquette.

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« Reply #4989 on: June 20, 2018, 10:59:19 AM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.
Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but itís of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, itíll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

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« Reply #4990 on: June 20, 2018, 11:18:10 AM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.
Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but itís of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, itíll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

'bendy road travelling under the speed limit' - if you're using the speed limit as the guide to what is safe on a bendy road where there could be anything round the next corner, not just cyclists, you're the moron, not them.

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« Reply #4991 on: June 20, 2018, 11:19:17 AM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.
Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but itís of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, itíll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

In the situation you describe they should be in single file however 2 abreast should still be smaller than most cars so i expect a car travelling along such a road should be expecting to take evasive action of another car, tractor, pedestrian, horse etc.

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« Reply #4992 on: June 20, 2018, 11:27:13 AM »
An interesting point in this debate is that the majority of cyclists are in fact also car drivers so have experienced both sides of the argument where as the complaining drivers have not experienced the road from a cyclist's seat.

Being on a bike on a busy road can be very intimidating whilst on your own so cycling in a group does provide more safety. I only recently took to the roads on a bike and my point of view has significantly changed. There are of course a few a$$holes on bikes who give all cyclists a bad name.

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« Reply #4993 on: June 20, 2018, 11:40:28 AM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.
Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but itís of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, itíll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

I think you will find that if you round a bend and kill someone, cyclist pedestrian whatever, that you are indeed expected to be able to stop to avoid a collision when rounding a bend without a clear view ahead, regardless of what speed they or indeed you are travelling at.

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« Reply #4994 on: June 20, 2018, 12:07:59 PM »
You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.
Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but itís of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, itíll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

I think you will find that if you round a bend and kill someone, cyclist pedestrian whatever, that you are indeed expected to be able to stop to avoid a collision when rounding a bend without a clear view ahead, regardless of what speed they or indeed you are travelling at.

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