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« Reply #11610 on: March 13, 2018, 10:06:29 PM »
I've followed it as well Syf and I agree with the Redskins assertion about Cousins. He's also only got a 3 year deal from the Vikings. Denver also have passed up on him, along with the 49ers. So it would appear that there are as many people who agree with Snyder as disagree with him.

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« Reply #11611 on: March 13, 2018, 10:12:06 PM »
I've followed it as well Syf and I agree with the Redskins assertion about Cousins. He's also only got a 3 year deal from the Vikings. Denver also have passed up on him, along with the 49ers. So it would appear that there are as many people who agree with Snyder as disagree with him.

He got the first major fully guaranteed contract in NFL history and will be the highest paid player in the NFL, pending any other deals coming up. If you think this is ‘only’ a three year deal you’ve seriously missed the point. He's changed the game for top level QB contracts. SF were never going to be in the Cousins race once they stole JG from the Patriots either.

Cousins is the envy of every past and present NFL player today. He’s got an NBA-style contract and will be in for another massive payday at age 32.
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« Reply #11612 on: March 13, 2018, 10:31:03 PM »
I've followed it as well Syf and I agree with the Redskins assertion about Cousins. He's also only got a 3 year deal from the Vikings. Denver also have passed up on him, along with the 49ers. So it would appear that there are as many people who agree with Snyder as disagree with him.

He got the first major fully guaranteed contract in NFL history and will be the highest paid player in the NFL, pending any other deals coming up. If you think this is ‘only’ a three year deal you’ve seriously missed the point. He's changed the game for top level QB contracts. SF were never going to be in the Cousins race once they stole JG from the Patriots either.

Cousins is the envy of every past and present NFL player today. He’s got an NBA-style contract and will be in for another massive payday at age 32.

A-Rodg contract is going to dwarf this. I'm just saying its hardly locking up Cousins for the forseeable future. After 3 years, he's cut if he doesn't perform satisfactorily? At 32, he'll be in his QB prime, but the Vikings didn't want to lock him down for any longer? Why so? Because they too have doubts. Kudos for his guaranteed money, but he was hardly gonna be on the bread line before today.

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« Reply #11613 on: March 13, 2018, 10:38:19 PM »
I've followed it as well Syf and I agree with the Redskins assertion about Cousins. He's also only got a 3 year deal from the Vikings. Denver also have passed up on him, along with the 49ers. So it would appear that there are as many people who agree with Snyder as disagree with him.

He got the first major fully guaranteed contract in NFL history and will be the highest paid player in the NFL, pending any other deals coming up. If you think this is ‘only’ a three year deal you’ve seriously missed the point. He's changed the game for top level QB contracts. SF were never going to be in the Cousins race once they stole JG from the Patriots either.

Cousins is the envy of every past and present NFL player today. He’s got an NBA-style contract and will be in for another massive payday at age 32.

A-Rodg contract is going to dwarf this. I'm just saying its hardly locking up Cousins for the forseeable future. After 3 years, he's cut if he doesn't perform satisfactorily? At 32, he'll be in his QB prime, but the Vikings didn't want to lock him down for any longer? Why so? Because they too have doubts. Kudos for his guaranteed money, but he was hardly gonna be on the bread line before today.

Cousins could have got a five year deal with inflated figures elsewhere, probably off the Vikings too if that’s what he actually wanted - he had teams over a barrel this off-season if they wanted his services. He instead got a deal where his money is his no matter what happens. He can blow his knee out on the first play and he’s still getting his 84 million. And if he’s healthy in three years he’s got another massive contract on his radar, with three years for the salary cap to inch further upwards and increase his market value.

Much better for him overall, and you only need to look at Twitter for the way other players are reacting as to how meaningful a moment this is for NFL contracts and indeed the upcoming CBA. You’ve kept digging here but it’s clear you’ve missed how much of a watershed moment this contract is.

Redskins made a massive mistake after the first tag, and Cousins will now play at least five years in a row with his contract fully insured.
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« Reply #11614 on: March 14, 2018, 11:01:43 AM »
The Redskins are total tits, though. They could have him locked in at 18 million a year for five seasons if they had any forethought.

Less than Cousins playing a blinder, his hand was being forced by unacceptable offers from his employers.

Sam Bradford to the Cards

Whadyyya think of that AZ Offaly ? (In Kieran Donaghy voice)

Trading one talented injury magnet for another.

re Sam Bradford,  I agree with Syf. I liked him coming out of Oklahoma, but he's not the most mobile now, especially after injuries, and that Offensive Line wouldn't inspire confidence. *IF* they can keep him upright for the season, he'll be fine, and a good bridge. But they now need to draft very well, and they have to go QB in the first round I think. Don't be surprised if they trade up, and try to get one of the 4 'studs'. I just hope they don't end up with josh Allen. A Canon, and absolute canon, for an arm, but not at NFL accuracy at all.

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« Reply #11615 on: March 14, 2018, 12:46:39 PM »
Syferus you might be jumping the gun on Cousins being “fully guaranteed”. Your man Andrew Brandt on Twitter, an ex- Green Bay executive and a very good follow on contracts and the business end of NFL reckons teams always have contingencies built in to contracts and as regards Cousins being fully guaranteed he tweeted “we will see”.
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« Reply #11616 on: March 14, 2018, 12:50:53 PM »
Syferus you might be jumping the gun on Cousins being “fully guaranteed”. Your man Andrew Brandt on Twitter, an ex- Green Bay executive and a very good follow on contracts and the business end of NFL reckons teams always have contingencies built in to contracts and as regards Cousins being fully guaranteed he tweeted “we will see”.

Either way Minder, it's significantly different to the announcement of other contracts. Generally speaking the contracts are announced as '3 year 75 million dollars, with 30 million guaranteed.' The back end is loaded and unless the player is really producing, they trade or cut them and the player never sees the remaining 45.

This case seems to be different. I've never known that word to be used and the money not to be guaranteed.

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« Reply #11617 on: March 14, 2018, 12:53:13 PM »
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).
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« Reply #11618 on: March 14, 2018, 01:03:46 PM »
Syferus you might be jumping the gun on Cousins being “fully guaranteed”. Your man Andrew Brandt on Twitter, an ex- Green Bay executive and a very good follow on contracts and the business end of NFL reckons teams always have contingencies built in to contracts and as regards Cousins being fully guaranteed he tweeted “we will see”.

Either way Minder, it's significantly different to the announcement of other contracts. Generally speaking the contracts are announced as '3 year 75 million dollars, with 30 million guaranteed.' The back end is loaded and unless the player is really producing, they trade or cut them and the player never sees the remaining 45.

This case seems to be different. I've never known that word to be used and the money not to be guaranteed.

Yeah it stuck out for me too, usually you ignore the first number and look at the guaranteed number. Will be interesting to see the finer detail on it. Probably making a few owners and front offices a bit nervous.
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« Reply #11619 on: March 14, 2018, 05:50:27 PM »
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).

I guess this means they're going with a QB at no1.
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« Reply #11620 on: March 14, 2018, 06:01:22 PM »
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).


I think Carlos Hyde is an excellent player. The Browns are killing the offseason.

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« Reply #11621 on: March 14, 2018, 06:06:22 PM »
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).

I guess this means they're going with a QB at no1.

I don’t see how Hyde effects that either way, Barkley will be there at 4 but their #1 QB may not be. He was always likely to be their top pick. Wouldn’t discount Barkley being picked fourth even now. You need a good rotation at RB and if you have Hyde it would allow you to get the best from a player like Barkley.
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« Reply #11622 on: March 14, 2018, 07:16:52 PM »
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).

I guess this means they're going with a QB at no1.

I don’t see how Hyde effects that either way, Barkley will be there at 4 but their #1 May not be. He was always likely to be their top pick. Wouldn’t discount Barkley being picked fourth even now. You need a good rotation at RB and if you have Hyde it would allow you to get the best from a player like Barkley.

Agree. I don’t think this changes much. That said I wouldn’t be surprised if they go Barkley at 1 especially if they aren’t completely in love with one of the top 4 over another.

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« Reply #11623 on: March 14, 2018, 08:09:58 PM »
Joe Thomas retires, one of the best
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« Reply #11624 on: March 14, 2018, 08:12:34 PM »
Joe Thomas retires, one of the best

And just when Cleveland might actually turn a corner.