What does Iraq, Libya and Venezuela have in common?

Started by Casement, January 03, 2026, 10:03:59 AM

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Casement

Imagine the horror, dismay and response if Venezuela carpet bombed a major city and airport in the USA and captured Trump and his Wife?

jb77

Step 1: Complete
Step 2: Install a generous president who gifts the US oil
Step 3: Civil War
Step 4: Another great CIA victory??

Tony Baloney

He's an absolutely terrible person but there is form on both sides of the house.

They are clearly meddling in Iran too.

Casement

I was thinking simply of a three letter word that begins with O and ends with L.

Open air slave markets exist in Tripoli since they murdered Gadaffi, life expectancy has never recovered, hospitals and vital infrastructure built during Gadaffi's era never rebuilt. Controlled by proxies and tribal gangs rather than a strong central government.

Iraq had up to 1,000,000 people killed. The once proud nation destroyed and became killing fields.

Venezuela has long battled with the extent of poverty and had been making good progress under Chavez until the coup and then his ultimate death. Replaced by Maduro, his social welfare programme has (too) slowly been distributing the wealth despite what you're going to hear in the foreseeable weeks and months by the propaganda machines in the media.

All, whilst very imperfect, were stable countries until the world's bullies came along with not one ounce of care for the people of said countries and all in search of that three lettered word covered up by lies like WMDs and drug boats.

The USA are up there with the most evil empires the world has ever known.

Casement

Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2026, 10:35:14 AMHe's an absolutely terrible person but there is form on both sides of the house.

They are clearly meddling in Iran too.

Trump is clearly an absolutely terrible person. I agree.

To attack anyone's national sovereignty is disgusting. Like all of history since the world wars, nothing has been made better by America's intervention.

Mourne Red

I've been completely out of the loop with World News/Social media.. Detox'd because it would depress ya.

Could some explain why Trumps actioned that on Venezuela? Obviously oil at the deep cause but what's been going on

thewobbler

Quote from: Mourne Red on January 03, 2026, 10:45:31 AMI've been completely out of the loop with World News/Social media.. Detox'd because it would depress ya.

Could some explain why Trumps actioned that on Venezuela? Obviously oil at the deep cause but what's been going on

To protect our freedom.

God bless America.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: Mourne Red on January 03, 2026, 10:45:31 AMI've been completely out of the loop with World News/Social media.. Detox'd because it would depress ya.

Could some explain why Trumps actioned that on Venezuela? Obviously oil at the deep cause but what's been going on
They have been attacking Venezuelan ships for some time now on the basis that they were smuggling drugs into the US. The attacks were clearly a building block to allow to support a coup to access oil resources.

AustinPowers

America... F**k yeah!! Coming  along to save the motherf**kin' day, yeah!!

Tyrone's goldmines are next.

Armagh18

Quote from: Mourne Red on January 03, 2026, 10:45:31 AMI've been completely out of the loop with World News/Social media.. Detox'd because it would depress ya.

Could some explain why Trumps actioned that on Venezuela? Obviously oil at the deep cause but what's been going on
Because he's nuts, because they have oil, because theres strong evidence that he raped kids with his buddy Epstein and he wants a distraction from that in the news.

Casement

Black gold! There's your answer.

The USA have been trying to intervene in Venezuelan politics for years now.

They attempted a coup on Chavez (I'd recommend you to watch https://youtu.be/wF_5xZIstPw?si=bcWkmKroTMTRs3Yi about that attempted coup). It was made by RTE journalists who happened to be making a documentary about Chavez at the time.

Venezuela has been a socialist country since 1999 with the election of Hugo Chavez. In one of the most unequal countries in the world, he set about a series of economic reforms to distribute the wealth and to being about democratic participation.

Things have been poor economically there for the past few years because of what is referred to as the "resource curse": depending on oil prices and having only one source of revenue from it especially when the oil prices crashed in 2014. Hyperinflation was a massive issue and that combined with US economic sanctions have made it really hard on the country. They also have a very hardened and determined private media industry akin to USA funded by the rich - which Chavez or Madura never actually closed down for fear of being accused of censorship.

Put simply, the benefits outweigh the negatives for the people of Venezuela since Chavez and ultimately Maduro.

Poverty and inequality sharply fell and extreme poverty was cut by more than half during Chávez's first decade. The official poverty rate fell from over 50% in 2003 to around 27% in 2013.

Access to education expanded. Free public education was expanded. University enrollment doubled, and massive literacy and high-school completion missions were launched.  Healthcare Access became universal. The "Barrio Adentro" mission built thousands of free, community-based primary care clinics in poor neighborhoods, staffed largely by Cuban doctors, providing millions with first-time access to healthcare.

The government created a network of state-run stores selling staple foods at heavily subsidized prices to ensure affordability for the poor.

Through community councils and missions, many marginalized citizens felt politically included for the first time. A new constitution in 1999 expanded social rights.

Most importantly and what in my opinion annoyed the USA was the upscaling of National pride. Chávez championed Latin American independence from the USA, using oil wealth for diplomacy. This fostered a strong sense of national sovereignty and pride among his supporters.

So you're going to hear a shit load of anti-socialist, anti-Maduro propaganda in the next load of days, weeks and months. However, when you see this information in the same way that with the benefit of hindsight you could listen to Goebells' propaganda and scream at people that he's lying, the propaganda is then revealed for what it actually is.

JoG2

Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2026, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 03, 2026, 10:45:31 AMI've been completely out of the loop with World News/Social media.. Detox'd because it would depress ya.

Could some explain why Trumps actioned that on Venezuela? Obviously oil at the deep cause but what's been going on
They have been attacking Venezuelan ships for some time now on the basis that they were smuggling drugs into the US. The attacks were clearly a building block to allow to support a coup to access oil resources.

Yeah, doesn't like Americans being poisoned / killed by those importing cocaine #Hernández

LC

https://news.sky.com/video/ed-conway-explains-why-trump-cares-about-venezuela-s-oil-13482324

Fast forward towards the end, its all about oil.

Venezuela has more crude oil reserves compared to any country on the planet.

Casement

Quote from: JoG2 on January 03, 2026, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2026, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 03, 2026, 10:45:31 AMI've been completely out of the loop with World News/Social media.. Detox'd because it would depress ya.

Could some explain why Trumps actioned that on Venezuela? Obviously oil at the deep cause but what's been going on
They have been attacking Venezuelan ships for some time now on the basis that they were smuggling drugs into the US. The attacks were clearly a building block to allow to support a coup to access oil resources.

Yeah, doesn't like Americans being poisoned / killed by those importing cocaine #Hernández

I think America has had enough suppliers of Cocaine over the years and who didn't get bombed though that kind of puts a massive hole in that piece of propaganda you've bitten right into.

JoG2

Quote from: Casement on January 03, 2026, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 03, 2026, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2026, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 03, 2026, 10:45:31 AMI've been completely out of the loop with World News/Social media.. Detox'd because it would depress ya.

Could some explain why Trumps actioned that on Venezuela? Obviously oil at the deep cause but what's been going on
They have been attacking Venezuelan ships for some time now on the basis that they were smuggling drugs into the US. The attacks were clearly a building block to allow to support a coup to access oil resources.

Yeah, doesn't like Americans being poisoned / killed by those importing cocaine #Hernández

I think America has had enough suppliers of Cocaine over the years and who didn't get bombed though that kind of puts a massive hole in that piece of propaganda you've bitten right into.

You've lost me