The UK Labour Party

[trileacman]

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Mike Bezos started with nothing, needed a scholarship to go to college in New Mexico, worked 30 years at Exxon and obviously did well enough that between him and his wife he was able to help fund their sons start-up business. If you see that as perverse, immoral decadence then there's something wrong with you.

Bezos parents worked hard, paid their taxes and legally gathered up 250k to help their son start a business. What part of that do you think is wrong?

[Mourne Red]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/07/starmer-trails-reform-uk-greens-poll/
Labour has fallen to fourth in a new opinion poll – putting the party on track for its worst election result in more than a century.
Support for Sir Keir Starmer's party in the poll of 2,717 adults has slumped to 15 per cent- behind Reform UK, the Greens and the Conservatives.
It is the latest in a string of polls which have put Labour behind the Greens since Zack Polanski was elected leader of that party in September.
Last week the party overtook Labour for the first time in a survey by the same company which placed them on 17 per cent, a point ahead of Sir Keir and Ms Badenoch's parties which were tied on 16 per cent each.

Polls are pretty meaningless at this stage in the cycle as the next UK General Election is not legally required until August 2029. They'll not go a day before it to give themselves a chance to right the ship - unless events dictate otherwise.

The next UK Election results could be mayhem, I really think the Tories are finished and Reform are peaking too soon - which is why right wing rags/ twitter bots will be doing their utmost to bring Labour down asap. A coalition government of some sort would be very likely imo.

I think the Tories will be just fine next election, most successful political party for a reason. And after Donald's somehow managed to get back into world of politics and the White House wouldn't be surprised if a certain blonde buffoon is back in charge of the Conservatives for the next election.

[Tony Baloney]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

The notion that these guys deserve their money and are where they are as they took risks and were innovators etc is preposterous. Musk, Bezos, Trump etc were all born into riches.

They don't create employment for anyone's benefit other than their own. They have a hugely negative impact on society.

Musk was born into a moderate degree of wealth but you're wrong about Bezos, his mother was a secretary who gave birth at 16. He was raised by her and her 2nd husband Miguel Bezos, a Cuban immigrant who had fled Communist Cuba. Say what you like about him but Bezos came from a family who dragged themselves up from nothing.

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Give 250k to the population and 99.999999*% aren't turning it into 200 billion.

What's your point. Most people probably aren't narcissistic like Bezos.

You were implying the very stupid point that he *only* is where he is because he was given 250 grand.

[Hand of God]

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Mike Bezos started with nothing, needed a scholarship to go to college in New Mexico, worked 30 years at Exxon and obviously did well enough that between him and his wife he was able to help fund their sons start-up business. If you see that as perverse, immoral decadence then there's something wrong with you.

Bezos parents worked hard, paid their taxes and legally gathered up 250k to help their son start a business. What part of that do you think is wrong?

What part of normal do you think your parents being able to give you 500k to start your own business is?

As I said maybe your parents gave you a packet to help you along the road but that is not reality for 90% of the population. Bezos relied on his parents money to get where he was as did Musk, Trump etc.

[Milltown Row2]

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Mike Bezos started with nothing, needed a scholarship to go to college in New Mexico, worked 30 years at Exxon and obviously did well enough that between him and his wife he was able to help fund their sons start-up business. If you see that as perverse, immoral decadence then there's something wrong with you.

Bezos parents worked hard, paid their taxes and legally gathered up 250k to help their son start a business. What part of that do you think is wrong?

What part of normal do you think your parents being able to give you 500k to start your own business is?

As I said maybe your parents gave you a packet to help you along the road but that is not reality for 90% of the population. Bezos relied on his parents money to get where he was as did Musk, Trump etc.

500 or 250?

[Hand of God]

You were implying the very stupid point that he *only* is where he is because he was given 250 grand.
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You are misquoting me. I never said it was the only reason he became a billionaire. I made the point that most of these billionaires had financial backing from their family way beyond the means of most ordinary people.

[Hand of God]

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Mike Bezos started with nothing, needed a scholarship to go to college in New Mexico, worked 30 years at Exxon and obviously did well enough that between him and his wife he was able to help fund their sons start-up business. If you see that as perverse, immoral decadence then there's something wrong with you.

Bezos parents worked hard, paid their taxes and legally gathered up 250k to help their son start a business. What part of that do you think is wrong?

What part of normal do you think your parents being able to give you 500k to start your own business is?

As I said maybe your parents gave you a packet to help you along the road but that is not reality for 90% of the population. Bezos relied on his parents money to get where he was as did Musk, Trump etc.

500 or 250?

500k in today's money.

[bennydorano]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/07/starmer-trails-reform-uk-greens-poll/
Labour has fallen to fourth in a new opinion poll – putting the party on track for its worst election result in more than a century.
Support for Sir Keir Starmer's party in the poll of 2,717 adults has slumped to 15 per cent- behind Reform UK, the Greens and the Conservatives.
It is the latest in a string of polls which have put Labour behind the Greens since Zack Polanski was elected leader of that party in September.
Last week the party overtook Labour for the first time in a survey by the same company which placed them on 17 per cent, a point ahead of Sir Keir and Ms Badenoch's parties which were tied on 16 per cent each.

Polls are pretty meaningless at this stage in the cycle as the next UK General Election is not legally required until August 2029. They'll not go a day before it to give themselves a chance to right the ship - unless events dictate otherwise.

The next UK Election results could be mayhem, I really think the Tories are finished and Reform are peaking too soon - which is why right wing rags/ twitter bots will be doing their utmost to bring Labour down asap. A coalition government of some sort would be very likely imo.

I think the Tories will be just fine next election, most successful political party for a reason. And after Donald's somehow managed to get back into world of politics and the White House wouldn't be surprised if a certain blonde buffoon is back in charge of the Conservatives for the next election.

So were the Liberals at one time, the rise of Labour and WW1 and they were done. History could be about to repeat itself with Reform, the Right is splintered and vulnerable electorally to attacks from the right, middle & left in different areas. Politics has changed.

[Armagh18]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

The notion that these guys deserve their money and are where they are as they took risks and were innovators etc is preposterous. Musk, Bezos, Trump etc were all born into riches.

They don't create employment for anyone's benefit other than their own. They have a hugely negative impact on society.

Musk was born into a moderate degree of wealth but you're wrong about Bezos, his mother was a secretary who gave birth at 16. He was raised by her and her 2nd husband Miguel Bezos, a Cuban immigrant who had fled Communist Cuba. Say what you like about him but Bezos came from a family who dragged themselves up from nothing.

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Give 250k to the population and 99.999999*% aren't turning it into 200 billion.

True. He'a done unbelievably well with it, but surely 1 billion is enough for anyone. His nose isn't exactly clean if you look into how a lot of amazon workers are treated, especially in the warehouse's etc.

[Tony Baloney]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

The notion that these guys deserve their money and are where they are as they took risks and were innovators etc is preposterous. Musk, Bezos, Trump etc were all born into riches.

They don't create employment for anyone's benefit other than their own. They have a hugely negative impact on society.

Musk was born into a moderate degree of wealth but you're wrong about Bezos, his mother was a secretary who gave birth at 16. He was raised by her and her 2nd husband Miguel Bezos, a Cuban immigrant who had fled Communist Cuba. Say what you like about him but Bezos came from a family who dragged themselves up from nothing.

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Give 250k to the population and 99.999999*% aren't turning it into 200 billion.

True. He'a done unbelievably well with it, but surely 1 billion is enough for anyone. His nose isn't exactly clean if you look into how a lot of amazon workers are treated, especially in the warehouse's etc.

Don't disagree with any of that. The wish is always that you'll get one of these gazillionaires who use their money for the greater good. I'll not hold my breath.

[trileacman]

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Mike Bezos started with nothing, needed a scholarship to go to college in New Mexico, worked 30 years at Exxon and obviously did well enough that between him and his wife he was able to help fund their sons start-up business. If you see that as perverse, immoral decadence then there's something wrong with you.

Bezos parents worked hard, paid their taxes and legally gathered up 250k to help their son start a business. What part of that do you think is wrong?

What part of normal do you think your parents being able to give you 500k to start your own business is?

As I said maybe your parents gave you a packet to help you along the road but that is not reality for 90% of the population. Bezos relied on his parents money to get where he was as did Musk, Trump etc.

I think it's very normal. Loads of people in Northern Ireland get left money by their parents or relatives. Think of people who go into the family business or get left their parents houses or farms. How many of them turn their inheritance into 250 billion dollars?

Having started with f**k all, worked 30 years for Exxon I don't think it's obscene that his parents would have been able to set aside less than a grand a year to give to their son to start a business.

Bezos multiplied their initial investment 1,000,000 times. For example if you were as successful as Bezos and your parents gifted you 1,000£ you would now be worth a billion pounds.

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/07/starmer-trails-reform-uk-greens-poll/
Labour has fallen to fourth in a new opinion poll – putting the party on track for its worst election result in more than a century.
Support for Sir Keir Starmer's party in the poll of 2,717 adults has slumped to 15 per cent- behind Reform UK, the Greens and the Conservatives.
It is the latest in a string of polls which have put Labour behind the Greens since Zack Polanski was elected leader of that party in September.
Last week the party overtook Labour for the first time in a survey by the same company which placed them on 17 per cent, a point ahead of Sir Keir and Ms Badenoch's parties which were tied on 16 per cent each.

Polls are pretty meaningless at this stage in the cycle as the next UK General Election is not legally required until August 2029. They'll not go a day before it to give themselves a chance to right the ship - unless events dictate otherwise.

The next UK Election results could be mayhem, I really think the Tories are finished and Reform are peaking too soon - which is why right wing rags/ twitter bots will be doing their utmost to bring Labour down asap. A coalition government of some sort would be very likely imo.

I think the Tories will be just fine next election, most successful political party for a reason. And after Donald's somehow managed to get back into world of politics and the White House wouldn't be surprised if a certain blonde buffoon is back in charge of the Conservatives for the next election.

Reform won't win the next election
 Farage is in charge of a group of weirdoes. The Tories will come back.

[bennydorano]

Those who ignore Reform are in danger of repeating the mistakes of Brexit. UK politics is feral atm. The next election won't be won by any single party, hung parliament way more likely.

[seafoid]

Those who ignore Reform are in danger of repeating the mistakes of Brexit. UK politics is feral atm. The next election won't be won by any single party, hung parliament way more likely.

https://www.ft.com/content/edd1f2be-db84-4223-a410-fc5771a2dbf1

"Reform would remove the UK from the European Convention on Human Rights, repeal the Human Rights Act and disapply the 1951 Refugee Convention, the UN Convention Against Torture and the Council of Europe Convention on Action Against Trafficking in Human Beings"

Can't see many middleclass voters voting for that. Reform is also weak on the economy.. Farage is a one trick pony.

The whole of the moon. Too high too far too soon.

[bennydorano]

Those who ignore Reform are in danger of repeating the mistakes of Brexit. UK politics is feral atm. The next election won't be won by any single party, hung parliament way more likely.

https://www.ft.com/content/edd1f2be-db84-4223-a410-fc5771a2dbf1

"Reform would remove the UK from the European Convention on Human Rights, repeal the Human Rights Act and disapply the 1951 Refugee Convention, the UN Convention Against Torture and the Council of Europe Convention on Action Against Trafficking in Human Beings"

Can't see many middleclass voters voting for that. Reform is also weak on the economy.. Farage is a one trick pony.

The whole of the moon. Too high too far too soon.

Lol, Never read the UK Telegraph, Mail or Express obviously. The Times is even becoming a bit of a shitbag of a paper.