Rule changes for hurling

[Ash Smoker]

I think football has benefitted from a lot of the recent rule changes. The games are more free flowing, high scoring and watchable.

What changes would be useful in hurling?
- The hooter would be good.
- Maybe keep 4 up in the opposition half too?
- Get rid of short puck outs.

Tap and go frees and 2 pointers aren't needed in hurling though.

[SaffronSports]

The main thing for me would be something that could bring about consistency with hand passing. Either scrap it completely and allow throws or really clamp down on it. There's a school of thought that some people don't like people whinging about it as why not encourage quick, attacking movement but then it's ruled on an inconsistent basis.

[Saffron_sam20]

I think football has benefitted from a lot of the recent rule changes. The games are more free flowing, high scoring and watchable.

What changes would be useful in hurling?
- The hooter would be good.
- Maybe keep 4 up in the opposition half too?
- Get rid of short puck outs.

Tap and go frees and 2 pointers aren't needed in hurling though.

what would the hooter add to hurling? we dont need it, id argue its brutal in football aswell. why would we need the 4 up rule? hurling doesnt have a problem with teams dropping players back given that players can score from their own half so it would be pretty stupid thing for a coach to do. short puc outs are perfectly fine given that we have plenty of long ones as well.

Hurling is perfectly fine as it is, id be more inclined to tidy the rules around tackling and hand passing than anything else

[Milltown Row2]

The Handpass does need a good looking at.. Playing a handpass off the stick would be the only one that is really legal, the obvious throws are when a player is running off the shoulder, but unless I've seen it as a throw I won't call it all the time, the ones you call are if he's on the ground surrounded and the ball is thrown out, as he will struggle to get that connection needed.

Obviously the moving the ball forward for dissent is brilliant

But to be fair in hurling, mouthing isn't really a thing in my experience, players will question and won't like that they feel in was a foul or it wasn't a foul, but I'll take a bit of that in comparison to how footballers get on.

Not sure there is much more to change hurling to improve it. The short puck outs bring some jeopardy, I don't see them as beneficial and very rare would you see the defensive madness of how football was being done, its generally man to man or a sweeper role of one person

[johnnycool]

Spare arm tackling, steps and throwing the ball all need addressing.

I'd propose that all three issues are linked in some way.

The old ability to dispossess a player with the ball isn't coached anymore as it is negated by overcarrying so defending with the spare arm is deployed.  The spare arm tackling leads to more bunching and rucks where throwing is most prevalent but not exclusively.

I'd relax the shoulder charge rule slightly, and also allow a lad to pull on the ball in the ruck.

That'd speed the game up even further   

[Milltown Row2]

Spare arm tackling, steps and throwing the ball all need addressing.

I'd propose that all three issues are linked in some way.

The old ability to dispossess a player with the ball isn't coached anymore as it is negated by overcarrying so defending with the spare arm is deployed.  The spare arm tackling leads to more bunching and rucks where throwing is most prevalent but not exclusively.

I'd relax the shoulder charge rule slightly, and also allow a lad to pull on the ball in the ruck.

That'd speed the game up even further   

Pulling on the ball is, and always was allowed, ya just gotta make contact

The problem is players are conditioned to win possession and 9 times out 10 the pulling of the ball goes to the opposition

I've been pulling the spare are now more often. It's probably there to mainly slow a player down but the cry I'm only trying to stand him up, I would come back with, you're playing the man not the ball.

As for the steps, I'm generous, I feel they should look at it for time rather than steps... lets start with 5 seconds for instance and count it out you'll get more distance for your steps than I would so it's very heightish 

[johnnycool]

5 seconds?
You could run 20 metres in that time and you wouldn't need to be Usain Bolt.

[Milltown Row2]

5 seconds?
You could run 20 metres in that time and you wouldn't need to be Usain Bolt.

You couldn't, but I get your point.. Its 4 steps or the time it takes to take four steps..

Its got to come down to application of the rules and a revisit by the administration to get them to stick with it. The players will adopt quickly enough as they did with the football rules..

I'm still old school with breaking the tackle and allowing the extra step  

[Ash Smoker]

I think football has benefitted from a lot of the recent rule changes. The games are more free flowing, high scoring and watchable.

What changes would be useful in hurling?
- The hooter would be good.
- Maybe keep 4 up in the opposition half too?
- Get rid of short puck outs.

Tap and go frees and 2 pointers aren't needed in hurling though.

what would the hooter add to hurling? we dont need it, id argue its brutal in football aswell.

With the hooter, at least teams would know exactly what's left. No more playing for the draw by the ref.

[EoinW]

I like the hooter as teams will know exactly when the game ends.  It takes pressure off the referee.

Has hurling ever had indirect frees?  There's quite a few judgement calls when teams are fighting for possession.  I hate it when those borderline calls lead to an easy point.  Is it unreasonable to suggest making possession calls indirect frees?

Also wondering: has hurling always had one designated free taker on each team?  In basketball, the player fouled takes the free.

Not complaining as hurling is in great shape.  I do find that scores come too easily at times.  Might be more interesting to make 30+ games a rarity, rather than the norm.

[Milltown Row2]

I like the hooter as teams will know exactly when the game ends.  It takes pressure off the referee.

Has hurling ever had indirect frees?  There's quite a few judgement calls when teams are fighting for possession.  I hate it when those borderline calls lead to an easy point.  Is it unreasonable to suggest making possession calls indirect frees?

Also wondering: has hurling always had one designated free taker on each team?  In basketball, the player fouled takes the free.

Not complaining as hurling is in great shape.  I do find that scores come too easily at times.  Might be more interesting to make 30+ games a rarity, rather than the norm.

Indirect frees have been in place for many many years.. You must not watch too many games

As for frees, there are sharp shooters in football that never miss 21 yard frees, I'd say the 65 now in hurling would be the same as a 21 yard free for football in terms of difficulty, not sure why you'd have a lesser player taking free's though, its specialised to the point that I'd take a dead eye free taker on the pitch who wouldn't really contribute to the game but managed to knock over every free or 65'

[Lamps]

Taking time keeping away from the ref would have seen Cork win the 2013 All Ireland. Brian Gavin kept playing until Clare equalised. 

[johnnycool]

Taking time keeping away from the ref would have seen Cork win the 2013 All Ireland. Brian Gavin kept playing until Clare equalised. 

And if the wee dog hadn't of shít, it would have burst...

[SaffronSports]

I like the hooter as teams will know exactly when the game ends.  It takes pressure off the referee.

Has hurling ever had indirect frees?  There's quite a few judgement calls when teams are fighting for possession.  I hate it when those borderline calls lead to an easy point.  Is it unreasonable to suggest making possession calls indirect frees?

Also wondering: has hurling always had one designated free taker on each team?  In basketball, the player fouled takes the free.

Not complaining as hurling is in great shape.  I do find that scores come too easily at times.  Might be more interesting to make 30+ games a rarity, rather than the norm.

I can't see the folks at Croke Park going along with your lets make a game with less scoring cause that's what the people want idea.

[EoinW]

I like the hooter as teams will know exactly when the game ends.  It takes pressure off the referee.

Has hurling ever had indirect frees?  There's quite a few judgement calls when teams are fighting for possession.  I hate it when those borderline calls lead to an easy point.  Is it unreasonable to suggest making possession calls indirect frees?

Also wondering: has hurling always had one designated free taker on each team?  In basketball, the player fouled takes the free.

Not complaining as hurling is in great shape.  I do find that scores come too easily at times.  Might be more interesting to make 30+ games a rarity, rather than the norm.

Indirect frees have been in place for many many years.. You must not watch too many games

As for frees, there are sharp shooters in football that never miss 21 yard frees, I'd say the 65 now in hurling would be the same as a 21 yard free for football in terms of difficulty, not sure why you'd have a lesser player taking free's though, its specialised to the point that I'd take a dead eye free taker on the pitch who wouldn't really contribute to the game but managed to knock over every free or 65'

Actually I've seen every game this year and any game I could see going back to 2012.  At no time have I heard a commentator state a free taker could NOT shoot for a point.  Perhaps you did not understand what I meant by Indirect Free.

I already wrote why I would want a lesser player taking frees.  It was more a historical question: why is hurling different from basketball.