All Ireland Championship 2025.

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Blowitupref

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo  by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw

With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1

All injured?  That could be interesting, not just  for this weekend

A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.


If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.


Possible starting 15 if all six are out?

Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley  Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane  Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

SouthOfThe Bann

Alot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

JoG2

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

No Patton and Donegal being overhyped. Tipped Donegal, but it could go either way. Would like to see a Mayo win

joemamas

Quote from: larryin89 on June 12, 2025, 09:02:44 AMKerry v Meath , should be a routine victory for the kingdom .

Roscommon v Cork , hard to call this one , cork were very good in Munster clash v Kerry but seemed to have been drained by it . Rossies have potential but don't seem to reach it , ros forwards clique on the day should be enough to see them over the line .

Dubs v Derry ... Dubs if Con is back

Galway v Armagh .. Galway

Louth to beat Clare , Clare seem to have issues with playing for 70 mins


Monaghan to beat Down

Donegal to beat Mayo by whatever they feel like , teams operating at different levels this year unfortunately

Tyrone to hammer Cavan .

Kerry to win the all Ireland and we will all wonder why we labelled it anybody's all Ireland , no team to get within 5 points of them from the knockout stage till they lift Sam in a few weeks time .


Larry,

agree on Mayo, see my comments from earlier.
As a Mayoman, I am not very optimistic of our chances on Sunday. I feel we are just at different stages of development at the current time.  Donegal were the proverbial kick of the ball away from beating Galway last July to reach the All-Ireland final. Bearing that in mind, I listed the Donegal lineouts from last year V Galway and this year V Armagh.
Aside from the inclusion of Michael Murphy, (immeasurable),  Sean Patton, who missed the last two games (and whose kickouts are key to Donegal's success) and McGonagle who was injured V Tyrone, ( much less of a loss IMO, but he obviously served a purpose), given the potential individual matchups,can anyone come up with a reason why Donegal should not win this game by 6-7pts minimum.  Only way I see this not happening is that Tyrone are up by 10-12pts ten minutes into second half and Jimmy McGuiness knowing that they will not win the group, somewhat raises the white flag and decides to take off his veterans or anyone carrying a knock, knowing that they will be playing back to back games in the following two weeks. (I am assuming without doubt they will make the Q/finals. Thoughts appreciated

Donegal V Armagh 2025
Donegal: S Patton; F Roarty, B McCole, P Mogan (0-01); R McHugh, C McGonagle, C Moore (1-01); C Thompson (0-04, 2tp), M Langan (0-02); D O Baoill (0-01), H McFadden (1-00), S O'Donnell; P McBrearty (0-03, 3f), M Murphy (0-03), O Gallen (0-04).
Subs: C O'Donnell (0-01) for McBrearty (42), J McGee (0-01) for McFadden (49), J Brennan for O Baoill (51), E McHugh for Moore (54), A Doherty for Gallen (64),N O'Donnell (0-02) for Brennan (71), McBrearty for Murphy (76), O Baoill for McHugh (78), Moore for S O'Donnell (81), S McMenamin for McCole (83).

Donegal V Galway 2024
Donegal: Shaun Patton; Ciaran Moore, Brendan McCole, Eoghan Ban Gallagher; Ryan McHugh, Caolan McGonagle (0-01), Peadar Mogan; Ciarán Thompson (0-02, 1m), Michael Langan (0-04); Caolan McColgan, Shane O'Donnell (0-02), Jason McGee; Patrick McBrearty (0-03, 1f), Oisin Gallen (0-03), Aaron Doherty.
Subs: Daire Ó Baoill for McColgan (29), Jeaic Mac Ceallabhuí for Gallagher (47), Hugh McFadden for McGee (59), Niall O'Donnell for McBrearty (59), Odhrán Doherty for Aaron Doherty (62)

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: JoG2 on June 12, 2025, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

No Patton and Donegal being overhyped. Tipped Donegal, but it could go either way. Would like to see a Mayo win

Is Patton definitely missing? He did the warmup in the last 2 games.

Not sure if Donegal are over hyped.

They've far more options for scores than Mayo. And more 2 points options also.

Mayo are at their best with their backs against the wall but can see Donegal having too much.

Cunny Funt

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.


Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago.  Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.

Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16.  Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8. 

Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw. 

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 12, 2025, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.


Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago.  Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.

Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16.  Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8. 

Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw. 

What also has to be factored in though is the Mayo Tyrone game was set up for an ambush. 1 week break Mayo losing to Cavan  Tyrone after putting everything into the Donegal game the week before.

Similar to Donegal Tyrone game. Tyrone ambushed them.

There's no elements for an ambush this weekend Donegal have got their scare v Tyrone and will be 100% focused. 2 week break for both sides aswell evens the playing field.

WhoDat

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

Did you listen to the Football Pod with Paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue? They have soundly written them off with O'Donoghue even going as far as to say that they don't "deserve" to progress to the next stage because they lost to Cavan, which is frankly a bizarre comment.

They won't win the game, but I don't think it'll be a hiding either. Think it'll be 3 or 4 points.

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: WhoDat on June 12, 2025, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

Did you listen to the Football Pod with Paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue? They have soundly written them off with O'Donoghue even going as far as to say that they don't "deserve" to progress to the next stage because they lost to Cavan, which is frankly a bizarre comment.

They won't win the game, but I don't think it'll be a hiding either. Think it'll be 3 or 4 points.
Quote from: WhoDat on June 12, 2025, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

Did you listen to the Football Pod with Paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue? They have soundly written them off with O'Donoghue even going as far as to say that they don't "deserve" to progress to the next stage because they lost to Cavan, which is frankly a bizarre comment.

They won't win the game, but I don't think it'll be a hiding either. Think it'll be 3 or 4 points.

Must listen to that.

I'd agree on 3-4 points.

J70

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 12, 2025, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.


Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago.  Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.

Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16.  Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8. 

Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw. 

And let's throw in the fact that we don't know if Patton will play. Same with Jason McGee (some rumours on Hogan Stand that he might be done altogether!). Niall O'Donnell has also missed the past couple of games after playing a vital sub role in winning the Ulster final.

This is a 50-50 game to me, and if word DOES come through that Tyrone are doing the business against Cavan, I'd say both teams might very well ease off the intensity, whether or not that would result in a draw.

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: J70 on June 12, 2025, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 12, 2025, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.


Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago.  Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.

Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16.  Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8. 

Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw. 

And let's throw in the fact that we don't know if Patton will play. Same with Jason McGee (some rumours on Hogan Stand that he might be done altogether!). Niall O'Donnell has also missed the past couple of games after playing a vital sub role in winning the Ulster final.

This is a 50-50 game to me, and if word DOES come through that Tyrone are doing the business against Cavan, I'd say both teams might very well ease off the intensity, whether or not that would result in a draw.

Why would both teams ease off?

Tyrone win is bad for Mayo.


Blowitupref

Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo  by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw

With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1

All injured?  That could be interesting, not just  for this weekend

A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.


If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.


Possible starting 15 if all six are out?

Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley  Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane  Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan


The actual Kerry team.  David Clifford named to start.


Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

thejuice

If we can't beat Louth or Roscommon when it matters I don't see us beating Kerry. They'll go up the gears if they need to if we cause them any trouble. I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
It won't be the next manager but the one after that Meath will become competitive again - MO'D 2016

BillyFlynnfromTrim

Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo  by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw

With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1

All injured?  That could be interesting, not just  for this weekend

A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.


If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.


Possible starting 15 if all six are out?

Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley  Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane  Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan

Meath are missing players also. All the talk about kerry missing midfielders Meath are down 4 midfielders. Meath will be playing with their third or fourth choice midfield. Meath are missing Ronan Jones, Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray missing all midfielders. Jones, Flynn,Kinlough are out for the rest of the year. Jack Flynn is Meath best midfielder, Ronan Jones is Meaths real leader around mid field area, only playet on team at his peak at 28. While kinlough who started ad third man midfielder in 8 games in a row the league and start of championship was excellent is also out. While Conor Gray who was outstanding in Tailtean cup winning campaign is coming back after three months in hospital pneumonia and injury after injury is only now able to take his place on bench. Meath will have three man midfield of veteran 34 year old Brian Menton who struggles to last 70 minutes and past his best. Adam O Neill will partner him who is defender basically a full back. Meath third man midfielder is 20 year old Conor Duke. No one mentioning Meath are missing best midfielders Flynn and Jones and another midfield starter on 40 kinlough. Not one mentioning in this media. Meath are down 4 midfielders and have to play defender at midfield.

J70

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 07:38:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 12, 2025, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 12, 2025, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone

I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.

But Donegal should win this.

With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.


Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago.  Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.

Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16.  Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8. 

Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw. 

And let's throw in the fact that we don't know if Patton will play. Same with Jason McGee (some rumours on Hogan Stand that he might be done altogether!). Niall O'Donnell has also missed the past couple of games after playing a vital sub role in winning the Ulster final.

This is a 50-50 game to me, and if word DOES come through that Tyrone are doing the business against Cavan, I'd say both teams might very well ease off the intensity, whether or not that would result in a draw.

Why would both teams ease off?

Tyrone win is bad for Mayo.



Fair point. Maybe if it was level with only a couple of minutes left you'd see both ease up.