FRC Feedback - poll on new rules - which do you like least?

[Captain Obvious]

Wish Gavin, his ego and the rest of the arseholes would go away and make a new sport, they're going to f**k Gaelic football.

Blame the coaches who have destroyed our game. Gavin and those other very intelligent thinkers who have been at the top of the game are trying to sort out the mess likes of McGuinness and Harte and coaches who copied them... including idiots managing clubs. . recycle, recycle,  pass it back fuc sake!

Jim Gavin the man who managed the least risk taking team of all time.

As I said the other day Jim Gavin's Dublin team was the most programmed,robotic team ever that apart from Jack McCaffrey lacked emotion. Any team that was rubbish defensively against them such as Tyrone in the 2017 All Ireland semi final it became boring mismatch.

Don't agree that's it's ok with tweaks for the league when such changes can make games not as high scoring as they were for the first five rounds and we have scoring difference deciding promotion and relegation.   

[onefineday]

I am starting to lose faith, I'm really trying to support the changes as the game truly needed change, but it seems that at every opportunity they are ignoring simplicity and choosing complexity.

Case in point is this variation of the 3 up rule 'we are not going to restrict keepers from going up the field', but we'll just add more complexity to make it unlikely.

There are a load of simple tweaks that could be made, the 2 pointer appears popular with the media and committee members, it's the most disliked change on here and it's seen as too cheap by many others I talk to. Simple change would be to make it from play only.

This new midfield mark rule seems unpoliceable, retention of the incredibly generous forward mark again seems like a mistake.

Unfortunately, this season is a write-off and really unfortunately, that may well undermine the retention of these rules when Congress decides next October. Not that I'm even sure I want any of them at this point!

To put just 1 possible counterpoint to you - no, it isn't that simple. If you just wipeout all frees in on or outside arc then teams will foul as a matter of course in that area. Makes sense in that case to just foul the likes of a Shane Walsh say, rather than let him shoot for 2.

Okay, I have a vested interest, I fecking hate the stupid 2 point score. There I've said it! It's an abomination. It has the potential to transform our game in unintended ways and to my mind we're seeing evidence of that.
It's a cheap, cheap score. It could only work when paired with a 4 point goal and whichever 'concerned delegates' to Congress made the frc abandon the (25%) increased goal value while retaining this have a very poor understanding of mathematics. This change doubles (100%) the value of a relatively straightforward score, something becoming clear as the season progresses. Goals are an afterthought, why try and work a low percentage scoring opportunity when a high percentage option, albeit worth 33% less, is more logical.

Maybe we should just go the whole hog and get rid of the crossbar and net, let the keeper be a full back or pocket back and make the point with 6 points.

So, rant over, I don't actually think that reducing free kick values back to 1pt would result in a rash of fouls around the arc. It might improve the game and free up space inside actually, if defenders felt there was an advantage to engaging outside the arc, they might push out. It could be monitored and tweaked of course!

[APM]

A number of posts saying this will ruin the game. My bet is that some of those saying that, don't remember much of the game pre- 2012. Others will be focused heavily on the breaking with tradition with the changed scoring system in particular.

People say this is a completely different game. The possession game we witnessed for the last 15 years was as far removed from the game of the 90s and 00s as these changes will make to last year's game. We are seeing a return to breaking ball, contested kickouts, which is great.

When there is no 12 v 11, will we see more direct football inside the opposition half as there's no over overload and no backward outlet.  Keepers like Rafferty tried to use the 12 v 11 very positively, but you could easily use it to run down the clock to defend a lead, or when on a black card or playing against the wind.

People complaining about Jim Gavin. But Gavin's Dublin team was all about control. This removes that control and brings the game closer to what went before 2012.

It needs to be given a chance.

[Rossfan]

If the mindsets of some here had been prevalent down the years we'd still be playing 21 a side, and have point posts etc etc.

Anything is better than the sterile games of chess played before a silent crowd that had become tge norm in recent years.

[bennydorano]

If the mindsets of some here had been prevalent down the years we'd still be playing 21 a side, and have point posts etc etc.

Anything is better than the sterile games of chess played before a silent crowd that had become tge norm in recent years.

You're always slabbering about how posters are pretty much a neanderthal of some sort across various topics yet you add f**k all to any discussion. Tiresome shite.

[Rossfan]

You have a nice day too

[trileacman]

If the mindsets of some here had been prevalent down the years we'd still be playing 21 a side, and have point posts etc etc.

Anything is better than the sterile games of chess played before a silent crowd that had become tge norm in recent years.

Except we still have long periods of sideways chess still being played. There's a slew of useful idiots who believe any change is good. If you can't accept the easily identifiable problems the new rules throw up you don't understand football.

I think we all wanted change to the rules but changes that were fair, simple and didn't radically change the structure of the games by lumping commandments on the referees.

[EoinW]

If the mindsets of some here had been prevalent down the years we'd still be playing 21 a side, and have point posts etc etc.

Anything is better than the sterile games of chess played before a silent crowd that had become tge norm in recent years.

Except we still have long periods of sideways chess still being played. There's a slew of useful idiots who believe any change is good. If you can't accept the easily identifiable problems the new rules throw up you don't understand football.

I think we all wanted change to the rules but changes that were fair, simple and didn't radically change the structure of the games by lumping commandments on the referees.

I wouldn't call them idiots.  They could be accused of not being gaelic football fans, therefore they should go watch hurling or some other sport.  They'd response that they are fans but the game has been spoiled over the past 2 decades.  Having only been a fan since 2012, I can't say they are right or wrong.

This all reminds me of the transformation which hit NCAA basketball in the 1980s.  The NCAA tournament retained the old rules until 1986, yet from early in the decade some conferences were experimenting with a shot clock or 3 point shot.  Thus it was several years of trial and error before the NCAA introduced the new rules for all competitions.

This is why I find what the FRC has done to be hasty and heavy handed.  It's like their ulterior motive is simply to leave their mark on the game so they will be remembered as saviours of the game fifty years from now.

I hate to suggest ulterior motive but when the GAA claim they want to give smaller counties more exposure then create a new championship format which kicks all those counties out of the championship, I have to wonder.  Especially when the 16 team Group stage gives Dublin three extra games!

My trust in authority is also low because I ask myself what was the most memorable provincial Final of the past fifty years?  Obviously it was the 1991 Leinster Final - with all the replays.

What does the GAA do?  They abolish replays in the provincial championships!  Who's going to remember Armagh losing penalty kicks to Derry or Donegal fifty years from now?

Their claim is that there isn't enough time for replays.  Yet they can find 3 weeks for group games to reduce the championship field from 16 to 12 teams!  Again it seems they're more concerned about creating extra games for their big Dublin market.

I might be a new fan but I'm traditionalist by nature.  GAA have broken trust with me.  Therefore I'm highly suspicious of anything the FRC change.

[trileacman]

One of the key drivers of interest in Gaelic football is not the quality of the game but rather the a more even distribution of success. The 90s and 2000s drove an exponential increase in the interest in football nationwide as more 2nd rank counties rose to competitiveness with the best. Tyrone, Westmeath, Laois, Fermanagh, Wexford, Sligo, Leitrim, Down, Antrim all went through periods of real success. The modern game has stripped that chance of success from all but 6 counties. The GAAs answer was to quarantine them off in a 2nd tier, where like hurling in Leinster or Ulster, they could let the game die off away from the attention of the national press.

The league needs to be changed to a 1A/1B structure again so that Kildare, Westmeath, Down, Monaghan, Fermanagh and Roscommon get regular exposure to top level tactics, S and C, skills so that they can close the gap between the top 6-8 and themselves. It's no coincidence that the development of a top 8 tier in football has occurred since the league structure was split in 4.

[David McKeown]

I am not sure there's cause and effect in play there and infact it likely is a coincidence.  The current system was introduced in 2008 I think and since then we have seen counties who were in Div 3 during that time win All Ireland's and teams who were in Div 4 win provincial titles. 

There is gap there but there are other factors at play.


Size of the playing population
Competition from other sports
Preparation levels
Coaching
Tactics
Outlying factors like golden generations etc

All of these have significantly more impact on the competitiveness of a county than the current structure of the league.

[Rossfan]

I don't buy into that Div 1A and B theory at all.
Anyway it's a non runner with  the present Championship qualification system.

Don't know why the poster included Ros in his list, we've been in D1 in 5 of the last 10 NFLs

[Truthsayer]

Not sure how these new rules could ruin football.. can you ruin something that was already ruined?
Is a default position with many to oppose any change, I can remember going right back to allowing frees and line balls out of the hands!
The last number of years have been horrendous. There are ideas being tried out and hopefully be changed or tweaked if need be. Due credit to the committee for taking on the mess left since 2011... Jimmy!

[GTP]

You don't have to be opposed to change to be against some of the rule changes, how they have been implemented, the number of rule changes and that some of the rules are being fundamentally changed as the season progresses.
I watched a challenge match today my understanding is that tomorrow the rules will change and the version of Gaelic football I saw today will never be repeated that cannot be a positive for any sport. The league has been treated as an expirement and club competition at all age groups appear an afterthought.

[Truthsayer]

You don't have to be opposed to change to be against some of the rule changes, how they have been implemented, the number of rule changes and that some of the rules are being fundamentally changed as the season progresses.
I watched a challenge match today my understanding is that tomorrow the rules will change and the version of Gaelic football I saw today will never be repeated that cannot be a positive for any sport. The league has been treated as an expirement and club competition at all age groups appear an afterthought.

Don't totally disagree with what you're saying but there are ones want NO change whatsoever. Seriously deluded.
As for league used as an experiment, that lies with the GPA who opposed pre-season competition.
There are pre-league club competitions.. in Tyrone anyway.
Football was watchable during the league albeit is more tweaks needed.
I'm a long time watching football and never seen game in such a bad state as recent years. Horrendous

[on the sideline]

You don't have to be opposed to change to be against some of the rule changes, how they have been implemented, the number of rule changes and that some of the rules are being fundamentally changed as the season progresses.
I watched a challenge match today my understanding is that tomorrow the rules will change and the version of Gaelic football I saw today will never be repeated that cannot be a positive for any sport. The league has been treated as an expirement and club competition at all age groups appear an afterthought.

Don't totally disagree with what you're saying but there are ones want NO change whatsoever. Seriously deluded.
As for league used as an experiment, that lies with the GPA who opposed pre-season competition.
There are pre-league club competitions.. in Tyrone anyway.
Football was watchable during the league albeit is more tweaks needed.
I'm a long time watching football and never seen game in such a bad state as recent years. Horrendous

Serious question - what did you think of the Tyrone Senior championship last year?