NFL Division 1 2025

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JoG2

Quote from: thebigfullforward on February 03, 2025, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 09:00:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2025, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 08:30:07 AMIt's incentivicising (I feel dizzy) long kicks into towards goal, in on top of the defence / keeper,  is that not what we want more of? It'll happen once in a blue moon. The attacker knows he has a free hit and the defender/s know they have to hit ...what's not to like?

This is what's being promoted, that it's desirable or admirable. A return to a true fundamental of Gaelic football.

Personally, I've absolutely no interest in seeing a 50/50 ball get hoofed into the square in the hope that someone might catch it.

The fact that it's '50/50' would make it interesting to most , whether it's caught cleanly or not....it's maybe the 1 passage of play that'll have the entire crowd's eyes fixed on
It's the same in hurling and that can get boring. It won't happen as much is the only thing. Remeber watching a Kilkenny game a few years back where there must have been at least a solid 3 minutes of play where both teams were playing hit and hope without a score. Kilkenny would hit the ball to the forward line, cut out by sweeper, sweeper hits the ball to forward line, cut out by KK defense. Horrid stuff

Of all people, I thought you'd be 100% in favour 🤔

JoG2

Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2025, 09:10:55 AMLet it be 50/50 then and let teams and players make their own choices.

Why should it be specifically be incentivised with this new mark rule?

It's another rule to coax teams / players away from the micro managed risk averse dungball we've had to endure a lot in the last decade

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 09:50:00 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2025, 09:10:55 AMLet it be 50/50 then and let teams and players make their own choices.

Why should it be specifically be incentivised with this new mark rule?

It's another rule to coax teams / players away from the micro managed risk averse dungball we've had to endure a lot in the last decade

but surely by restricting the numbers in there with 6 players not allowed in that half it means there will be more space to kick into, you dont really need any more incentive than that.

Spiderlegs

Quote from: JPO on February 01, 2025, 10:13:06 PMI watched all the games on tv so far under the new rules and at least there were some high catches by Armagh players as there was last year. Its obvious now with the longer kickouts that most players are incapable of fielding  a high ball. It shows the sorry state football is in.

High fielding in Derry/Kerry game was exceptional

JPO

High fielding by a few players. Most didnt jump for the ball.Not sure they know how to these days.

Mario

There is a lot of talk on the podcasts this week about whether the Derry Kerry game was the best national league game ever. In my opinion it wasn't even the best in the past 12 months. Last year's league final was better. Lots of people also comparing the Derry Kerry game to their AI qf last year, which admittedly was sh*t, but is everyone forgetting the AI SF  the year before between the same sides that was an absolute classic.

The media are dying to heap praise on the FRC without letting us see how it plays out. There were bad D1 games at the weekend and there were some very good games under the old rules.

tbrick18

Quote from: Mario on February 04, 2025, 10:47:36 AMThere is a lot of talk on the podcasts this week about whether the Derry Kerry game was the best national league game ever. In my opinion it wasn't even the best in the past 12 months. Last year's league final was better. Lots of people also comparing the Derry Kerry game to their AI qf last year, which admittedly was sh*t, but is everyone forgetting the AI SF  the year before between the same sides that was an absolute classic.

The media are dying to heap praise on the FRC without letting us see how it plays out. There were bad D1 games at the weekend and there were some very good games under the old rules.

Totally agree. There is a really obvious PR campaign, particularly with RTE, on the positives of the rule changes. High scoring doesnt mean better necessarily.
There is not the high fielding, or kicking games that were touted, albeit it is early days.
There's no way at this point that anyone could say the rules are for the best, or if they make things worse.
I think some of the rules are grand and others are not.

The Trap

Totally agree Mario and Tbrick. There is no doubt the derry kerry game was enjoyable to watch but it was a high scoring game with no edge to it. Like a game you would have seen at a pitch opening. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration but no yellow cards and some people saying they didn't care that they lost as long as they were entertained! Is that competitive sport? Those 2 points could be the difference between staying in division one or not.

Then you are hearing it was a wonderful weekend of football. Of the 7 division one games so far only this one was very good.

You could say Dublin v Mayo and Dublin v Donegal were decent games.

Tyrone v Derry not great though Tyrone played well.

Armagh v Tyrone not great though Armagh played well.

Galway v Armagh and Galway v Mayo were not great either though Galway look strong.

I would say there have been much better starts to the National League than this year most other years.

Not against what they are trying to do with the game but they are definitely going to far and the PR machine needs challenged as much as possible.

Ethan Tremblay

Still early days on the rules, teams still adopting.  It will be round 4 at least before we well and truly know how the rest of the year will pan out in terms of gameplay. 

From an Armagh perspective, it was slightly frustrating watching them kick the ball from a kickout into a 50/50 contest in the second half.  They were in a commanding lead and each kickout allowed Tyrone every chance to get back into the game. 

The middle of the pitch will become a scrum for possession.  The better placed players will cancel each other out for high fielding so it'll be a scramble for break ball each time.   

From a neutral that is what you want I suppose in a game like that, but what hope does Wicklow/Longford have in the summer when the meet Dublin in the championship.  Dublin score, Wicklow are forced to kick the ball to a 50/50, Dublin win possession, score, Wicklow kick to a 50/50. 

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Blowitupref

Quote from: Mario on February 04, 2025, 10:47:36 AMThere is a lot of talk on the podcasts this week about whether the Derry Kerry game was the best national league game ever. In my opinion it wasn't even the best in the past 12 months. Last year's league final was better. Lots of people also comparing the Derry Kerry game to their AI qf last year, which admittedly was sh*t, but is everyone forgetting the AI SF  the year before between the same sides that was an absolute classic.

The media are dying to heap praise on the FRC without letting us see how it plays out. There were bad D1 games at the weekend and there were some very good games under the old rules.

Yes in the media they are going out of their way with praise.  Needs to be a more balanced opinion and not try to ignore that we had good games under the old rules.  Right now is only a small sample size come the end of the league when teams are looking to reach a final,gain promotion or avoid relegation will be a real first good tester for the new rules.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

screenexile

Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 04, 2025, 12:06:16 PMStill early days on the rules, teams still adopting.  It will be round 4 at least before we well and truly know how the rest of the year will pan out in terms of gameplay. 

From an Armagh perspective, it was slightly frustrating watching them kick the ball from a kickout into a 50/50 contest in the second half.  They were in a commanding lead and each kickout allowed Tyrone every chance to get back into the game. 

The middle of the pitch will become a scrum for possession.  The better placed players will cancel each other out for high fielding so it'll be a scramble for break ball each time.   

From a neutral that is what you want I suppose in a game like that, but what hope does Wicklow/Longford have in the summer when the meet Dublin in the championship.  Dublin score, Wicklow are forced to kick the ball to a 50/50, Dublin win possession, score, Wicklow kick to a 50/50. 



With the keeper not an option for a pass it makes the short kickout pretty much impossible. Once you have a team penned in it is difficult to get the ball out and teams are going to have to come up with creative ways to make the extra man otherwise they'll get caught as Derry did at the weekend.

scout

Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 04, 2025, 12:06:16 PMStill early days on the rules, teams still adopting.  It will be round 4 at least before we well and truly know how the rest of the year will pan out in terms of gameplay. 

From an Armagh perspective, it was slightly frustrating watching them kick the ball from a kickout into a 50/50 contest in the second half.  They were in a commanding lead and each kickout allowed Tyrone every chance to get back into the game. 

The middle of the pitch will become a scrum for possession.  The better placed players will cancel each other out for high fielding so it'll be a scramble for break ball each time.   

From a neutral that is what you want I suppose in a game like that, but what hope does Wicklow/Longford have in the summer when the meet Dublin in the championship.  Dublin score, Wicklow are forced to kick the ball to a 50/50, Dublin win possession, score, Wicklow kick to a 50/50. 



Next step of gaelic football revamp is the removal of the provincials.

Imagine a competition in soccer based solely on geography (no matter the standard).

Like Liverpool being in a group with accrington stanley & tranmere.

armaghniac

Quote from: scout on February 04, 2025, 01:22:48 PMImagine a competition in soccer based solely on geography (no matter the standard).

Scottish league?

Local games create greater interest and people can travel easily to them. There were many Tyrone people in the Athletic grounds at the weekend, but not so many Cork people in Páirc Esler.
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scout

Yes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.

Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.

armaghniac

Quote from: scout on February 04, 2025, 01:59:39 PMYes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.

Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.

You picked Antrim/Fermanagh, but games against other Ulster counties are far from a foregone conclusion and even Antrim have to get off their knees eventually.
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