NFL Division 1 2025

Started by Blowitupref, January 15, 2025, 04:10:17 PM

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Who will win the Div 1 final

Kerry
2 (40%)
Mayo
3 (60%)

Total Members Voted: 5

Voting closed: March 29, 2025, 01:26:17 PM

blewuporstuffed

Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 26, 2025, 07:05:29 PMOf the Tyrone 15, I'd say only Morgan, McKernan, Kennedy, McCurry and Mattie Donnelly are nailed on starters. The rest had a season of senior football or are in and out of the team. It was an encouraging performance, especially with Morgan looking like he can give Tyrone such an advantage and so many more to come back and drier ground should also suit Tyrone. 
I'm not even sure McCurry is nailed on.
Will be great competition between him R. Canavan, Bradley, mcelhome etc.
Darragh and Mattie the only two nailed on forwards id say
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tbrick18

I know it's the first round of games, but I don't think there's any huge benefit to the new rules.
Still the same pattern of play, massed defence possession football with no risk taking.
The forced long kickout is just asking for break ball tactics, of the like we had in the 00s that resulted in teams adopting the hamdpass up the field tactic rather than risk losing possession.

I didn't see anyone really take advantage of the 3 players in a half at all times.

So far it feels like change for the sake of it.

JoG2

Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 26, 2025, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 26, 2025, 07:05:29 PMOf the Tyrone 15, I'd say only Morgan, McKernan, Kennedy, McCurry and Mattie Donnelly are nailed on starters. The rest had a season of senior football or are in and out of the team. It was an encouraging performance, especially with Morgan looking like he can give Tyrone such an advantage and so many more to come back and drier ground should also suit Tyrone. 
I'm not even sure McCurry is nailed on.
Will be great competition between him R. Canavan, Bradley, mcelhome etc.
Darragh and Mattie the only two nailed on forwards id say

McCurry would walk into any team in the country imo. Scores highly, serious work rate and is a game changer. More influential than Donnelly these days, again imo

Olly

The rules are fine an all but why not introduce thins that matter. When the teams run out,have fire blowers blowing fire up into the sky. I don't mean people, the machines, and then it's less liable in case the fire blowers get burnt by sucking in the flames. Then have ticker tape at the end of the games flying down from the sky.
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Truthsayer

Quote from: Olly on January 26, 2025, 11:41:43 PMThe rules are fine an all but why not introduce thins that matter. When the teams run out,have fire blowers blowing fire up into the sky. I don't mean people, the machines, and then it's less liable in case the fire blowers get burnt by sucking in the flames. Then have ticker tape at the end of the games flying down from the sky.
They have that sort of stuff for the All Ireland final, is enough. For every game it wouldn't be a novelty any more...

Armagh18

Quote from: Armaghtothebone on January 26, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTypical RTE  Sunday game.
Only one contentious moment.
The clothes line on Blaine,  not shown.

Was that contentious? Free and yellow card given not sure what else. More annoyed at the free against Forker when your man ran into him.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2025, 07:02:29 AM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on January 26, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTypical RTE  Sunday game.
Only one contentious moment.
The clothes line on Blaine,  not shown.

Was that contentious? Free and yellow card given not sure what else. More annoyed at the free against Forker when your man ran into him.

Forker stepped across, knew exactly what he was doing, should have been a penalty as it was inside.

That's why they took him off, couldn't afford him to be sent off and Lane bottled giving him another card
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Tyrone Dreamer

Quote from: tbrick18 on January 26, 2025, 11:29:13 PMI know it's the first round of games, but I don't think there's any huge benefit to the new rules.
Still the same pattern of play, massed defence possession football with no risk taking.
The forced long kickout is just asking for break ball tactics, of the like we had in the 00s that resulted in teams adopting the hamdpass up the field tactic rather than risk losing possession.

I didn't see anyone really take advantage of the 3 players in a half at all times.

So far it feels like change for the sake of it.

I don't know how you can say the rules aren't any benefit after one round of games in poor conditions in January. I can't see how they aren't going to improve things (bigger issue is how well they can be implemented at club level). Leaving 3 up will undoubtedly lead to more space in attacks leading to less recycling of the ball and will also lead to faster counter attacks as teams get used to them. I do like that the kickouts have to go further though there is an issue with so many players around the contest as everyone is staying outside of the arc.

Armagh18

Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 27, 2025, 07:38:38 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 26, 2025, 11:29:13 PMI know it's the first round of games, but I don't think there's any huge benefit to the new rules.
Still the same pattern of play, massed defence possession football with no risk taking.
The forced long kickout is just asking for break ball tactics, of the like we had in the 00s that resulted in teams adopting the hamdpass up the field tactic rather than risk losing possession.

I didn't see anyone really take advantage of the 3 players in a half at all times.

So far it feels like change for the sake of it.

I don't know how you can say the rules aren't any benefit after one round of games in poor conditions in January. I can't see how they aren't going to improve things (bigger issue is how well they can be implemented at club level). Leaving 3 up will undoubtedly lead to more space in attacks leading to less recycling of the ball and will also lead to faster counter attacks as teams get used to them. I do like that the kickouts have to go further though there is an issue with so many players around the contest as everyone is staying outside of the arc.
What's wrong with that? Will be some goal chances created if teams press up on kickouts and and break it towards the arc

twohands!!!

Quote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.

For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.

Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.

Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.

Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.

Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.

lurganblue

I only got watching the Armagh match this weekend.  First thoughts on the new rules are that I really like the solo and go.  That only works though, if you include the 50m penalty for obstructing the play after a free, so that is good too.  I'll reserve judgement on the 2 points, but I certainly dont like the opportunity for 2 from a 3v3 infraction.  Armagh didnt use the 2 point attempts well at all, especially in the 1st half when they were more dominant and seemed to have the wind with them (althoygh I wasnt at the ground so not 100% on that).  Like everyone else, theyve things to learn.

I posted a few weeks ago that I thought Armagh would go with Ethan as the 12v11 will be very important. Blaine performed well again though with good kickouts and saves.  I still think that one is well up for consideration.

Like every other Armagh supporter I was baffled how we didnt get a penalty, and instead awarded a free. Did the ref think that it was an advanced mark with no advantage gained? Either way, it was a horrific decision. Refs are learning too though and I suspect we will all have to have a lot of patience this year.

thebigfullforward

Quote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.

For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.

Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.

Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.

Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.

Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.

Christ that's a bit harsh. If you see a man running down the pitch your first instinct is going to be to run after them. It's the first week of the rules being properly enforced (couldn't see them being that strict in challenge games). Would love to see how it's handled at club level. Seen some people say they just need 2 more unbiased officials as if we aren't short on numbers as it is

Milltown Row2

Quote from: thebigfullforward on January 27, 2025, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.

For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.

Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.

Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.

Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.

Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.

Christ that's a bit harsh. If you see a man running down the pitch your first instinct is going to be to run after them. It's the first week of the rules being properly enforced (couldn't see them being that strict in challenge games). Would love to see how it's handled at club level. Seen some people say they just need 2 more unbiased officials as if we aren't short on numbers as it is

Games are stretched even more now, you have nearly double the games that would have been done 20 years ago, the huge numbers playing ladies football nowadays compared to 20 years ago is massive, they all need someone to step up, add in the juveniles and then the many senior and reserves games and the games a ref could be out each week is crazy, they could be doing 3 games at the weekend and a couple or more during the week, the drop off from the first year is big as well due to the abuse from players/sidelines/supporters..

Having extra officials at games would be brilliant, being mic'd up would also be great but lets see what happens early spring when the games start
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tonto1888

Quote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.

For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.

Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.

Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.

Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.

Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.


I have generally no issue with the penalty for the 3v3 infraction other than being allowed to take a 2 pointer

twohands!!!

Quote from: thebigfullforward on January 27, 2025, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.

For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.

Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.

Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.

Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.

Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.

Christ that's a bit harsh. If you see a man running down the pitch your first instinct is going to be to run after them. It's the first week of the rules being properly enforced (couldn't see them being that strict in challenge games). Would love to see how it's handled at club level. Seen some people say they just need 2 more unbiased officials as if we aren't short on numbers as it is

I mean the rules changes were approved two months ago and the 3v3 is one of the more notable changes so you'd think it would not exactly be difficult to remember.

Also I did see somewhere McGuinness say he brought in strict refs for their challenge games/training specifically to focus players minds on this rule.

From what I saw and read there were aleady a couple of games where there was no free given for a 3v3 infringement.

Honestly the more I think of it I'll be shocked if more than a handful of teams get caught with this rule over the course of the championship. You'd imagine any player who does get caught for breaking this rule is extremely unlikely to repeat their mistake any time soon given the punishment.