11th night bonfires

[LCohen]

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

Can you list their firm policy proposals and funding?

[seafoid]

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

In Government in the North they sign off on Tory austerity. . They are similar to Labour. Full of talk in opposition but do what they are told in government.
A SF government in the South would maintain 15% tax.
Being pro gay rights costs nothing. 

The problem with neoliberalism is that it is unstable. And when it crashes working class voters get shafted.

[Kilkevan]

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

In Government in the North they sign off on Tory austerity. . They are similar to Labour. Full of talk in opposition but do what they are told in government.
A SF government in the South would maintain 15% tax.
Being pro gay rights costs nothing. 

The problem with neoliberalism is that it is unstable. And when it crashes working class voters get shafted.

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point. Maintaining the 15% tax rate is necessary if Ireland wants to compete internationally. That's realpolitik, I don't like it and I suspect most in Sinn Féin don't but the country has to attract international employers if it wants to be successful.

The Great Unwashed Juche Front of Trotskyism or whatever they're calling themselves today want a society where nobody has any responsibilities whatsoever but only have rights. Real society doesn't function like that.

Name one single thing the likes of McCann, Carroll or Boyd Barrett have achieved other than saving the nation money in terms of soap and water (un)used in their offices.

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

Can you list their firm policy proposals and funding?

All in the alternative budget which they publish every year and are, in fact, the only party to do so:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/budget2017

[Owen Brannigan]

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point.

Wrong, SF and DUP worked against all others in Assembly to vote that welfare should be handed back to Tories in UK parliament to implement reforms. 

[Kilkevan]

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point.

Wrong, SF and DUP worked against all others in Assembly to vote that welfare should be handed back to Tories in UK parliament to implement reforms.

Not wrong, that came after a period of crisis to get the peace process back up and running.

Initially, Sinn Féin blocked it:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-31798766

Sinn Féin were backed into a corner where to do other than hand back welfare powers to London would have meant key elements of the peace process failed:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-34853112

[Owen Brannigan]

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point.

Wrong, SF and DUP worked against all others in Assembly to vote that welfare should be handed back to Tories in UK parliament to implement reforms.

Not wrong, that came after a period of crisis to get the peace process back up and running.

Initially, Sinn Féin blocked it:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-31798766

Sinn Féin were backed into a corner where to do other than hand back welfare powers to London would have meant key elements of the peace process failed:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-34853112

So, even as naive as you are in believing this nonsense you have written above, surely you would have worked out from your own logic as stated above that SF will do whatever is necessary for it's own good when "backed into a corner', even to submit the poorest in society in the North to the will of the Tories in their push for austerity for the weakest.  Anything to prevent SF appearing to the public and politicians in the 26 counties as being total hypocrites by implementing austerity, even by proxy, in the North while lambasting any government in the Republic that implemented its own cuts at the behest of the EU bankers.

So, what did you say above about SF only working for the good of the country and not party interests?

[seafoid]

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

In Government in the North they sign off on Tory austerity. . They are similar to Labour. Full of talk in opposition but do what they are told in government.
A SF government in the South would maintain 15% tax.
Being pro gay rights costs nothing. 

The problem with neoliberalism is that it is unstable. And when it crashes working class voters get shafted.

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point. Maintaining the 15% tax rate is necessary if Ireland wants to compete internationally. That's realpolitik, I don't like it and I suspect most in Sinn Féin don't but the country has to attract international employers if it wants to be successful.

The Great Unwashed Juche Front of Trotskyism or whatever they're calling themselves today want a society where nobody has any responsibilities whatsoever but only have rights. Real society doesn't function like that.

Name one single thing the likes of McCann, Carroll or Boyd Barrett have achieved other than saving the nation money in terms of soap and water (un)used in their offices.

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

Can you list their firm policy proposals and funding?

All in the alternative budget which they publish every year and are, in fact, the only party to do so:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/budget2017

15% tax and membership of the euro "are realpolitik".  I am not sure.  Because they' expose the country to an unstable system in which profits are privatised and losses are socialised.

Who paid to bail out Anglo? Did any company paying tax chip.in ? Or was it the people ?
What did SF do in the North to protect voters from the next crash ?

[Kilkevan]

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point.

Wrong, SF and DUP worked against all others in Assembly to vote that welfare should be handed back to Tories in UK parliament to implement reforms.

Not wrong, that came after a period of crisis to get the peace process back up and running.

Initially, Sinn Féin blocked it:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-31798766

Sinn Féin were backed into a corner where to do other than hand back welfare powers to London would have meant key elements of the peace process failed:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-34853112

So, even as naive as you are in believing this nonsense you have written above, surely you would have worked out from your own logic as stated above that SF will do whatever is necessary for it's own good when "backed into a corner', even to submit the poorest in society in the North to the will of the Tories in their push for austerity for the weakest.  Anything to prevent SF appearing to the public and politicians in the 26 counties as being total hypocrites by implementing austerity, even by proxy, in the North while lambasting any government in the Republic that implemented its own cuts at the behest of the EU bankers.

So, what did you say above about SF only working for the good of the country and not party interests?

Ah, so you'd prefer devolution collapsed in the North and direct rule came back in, thus leaving the peace process in tatters. Quare comfortable to be pontificating in the South eh? Sinn Féin did what was necessary for the people in general, not for itself. It kept the peace process moving forward even if it disagreed with how. Even now, all parties are continually negotiating on a return to power sharing because the alternative is not great. Yes, there are issues with the DUP, yes now is finally time to play hard ball but I still dont see anyone backing away from negotiations. Anywau, itd be a fair stronger argument if the gombeens in the South, and I'm southern myself, didn't vote in the usual sh1tehawk politicians. For God's sake, after 2007/2008, how can anyone with a conscience vote FF. And after FG policies damning the average person for a crash that wasn't our fault... Well, if we don't vote for an alternative now... And if someone can come up with a single example why I should vote for the Kim Jong Un Appreciation Society I'll be interested.

Let's be absolutely honest about things, any Irish person who doesn't back a 32 county republic is a traitor and there is only one party which wants to see that happen.

[Kilkevan]

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

In Government in the North they sign off on Tory austerity. . They are similar to Labour. Full of talk in opposition but do what they are told in government.
A SF government in the South would maintain 15% tax.
Being pro gay rights costs nothing. 

The problem with neoliberalism is that it is unstable. And when it crashes working class voters get shafted.

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point. Maintaining the 15% tax rate is necessary if Ireland wants to compete internationally. That's realpolitik, I don't like it and I suspect most in Sinn Féin don't but the country has to attract international employers if it wants to be successful.

The Great Unwashed Juche Front of Trotskyism or whatever they're calling themselves today want a society where nobody has any responsibilities whatsoever but only have rights. Real society doesn't function like that.

Name one single thing the likes of McCann, Carroll or Boyd Barrett have achieved other than saving the nation money in terms of soap and water (un)used in their offices.

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

Can you list their firm policy proposals and funding?

All in the alternative budget which they publish every year and are, in fact, the only party to do so:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/budget2017

15% tax and membership of the euro "are realpolitik".  I am not sure.  Because they' expose the country to an unstable system in which profits are privatised and losses are socialised.

Who paid to bail out Anglo? Did any company paying tax chip.in ? Or was it the people ?
What did SF do in the North to protect voters from the next crash ?

What's your alternative Pol Pot?

[seafoid]

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

In Government in the North they sign off on Tory austerity. . They are similar to Labour. Full of talk in opposition but do what they are told in government.
A SF government in the South would maintain 15% tax.
Being pro gay rights costs nothing. 

The problem with neoliberalism is that it is unstable. And when it crashes working class voters get shafted.

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point. Maintaining the 15% tax rate is necessary if Ireland wants to compete internationally. That's realpolitik, I don't like it and I suspect most in Sinn Féin don't but the country has to attract international employers if it wants to be successful.

The Great Unwashed Juche Front of Trotskyism or whatever they're calling themselves today want a society where nobody has any responsibilities whatsoever but only have rights. Real society doesn't function like that.

Name one single thing the likes of McCann, Carroll or Boyd Barrett have achieved other than saving the nation money in terms of soap and water (un)used in their offices.

On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

Can you list their firm policy proposals and funding?

All in the alternative budget which they publish every year and are, in fact, the only party to do so:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/budget2017

15% tax and membership of the euro "are realpolitik".  I am not sure.  Because they' expose the country to an unstable system in which profits are privatised and losses are socialised.

Who paid to bail out Anglo? Did any company paying tax chip.in ? Or was it the people ?
What did SF do in the North to protect voters from the next crash ?

What's your alternative Pol Pot?

I think you can do better than the Eurozone not having a bank bailout fund without needing to resort to genocide.
In 2006 56% of people in the South were members of a private pension scheme.  Today it''s 30%.
That is the system.

[Owen Brannigan]

Quare comfortable to be pontificating in the South eh?

Except some of us live in N.Ireland and know exactly what is being done to us and not in Kilkenny just across from their homeland in Wales.

Sinn Féin did what was necessary for the people in general, not for itself.

Yeah, hand over welfare reform to the Tories to hid behind their actions and then blame them for the result.

Even now, all parties are continually negotiating on a return to power sharing because the alternative is not great. Yes, there are issues with the DUP, yes now is finally time to play hard ball but I still dont see anyone backing away from negotiations.

What negotiations, there haven't been any serious negotiations, just calls from Adams for Mrs May to come over and sort out the problems.  Jobs are being lost, parents are losing uniform grants, construction firms going to the wall, etc after SF collapsed Assembly over RHI that it has forgotten and for an ILA that puts no bread on the table for the poorest families.

And if someone can come up with a single example why I should vote for the Kim Jong Un Appreciation Society I'll be interested.

Surprising how much the great leader and his family have in common with SF marxist ideology, economics, etc.

Let's be absolutely honest about things, any Irish person who doesn't back a 32 county republic is a traitor and there is only one party which wants to see that happen.

So, what is your solution to a country where, under your definition, less than 20% of the electorate are traitors.

[Rossfan]

Anyway what do the SDLP stand for nowadays?

[Applesisapples]

What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

The SDLP refused to countenance a deal, so Big Al has only himself to blame.

[Applesisapples]

The reality is Sinn Fein worried more about their patch and would do anything possible to push the SDLP out and is quite happy to be dealing with the extreme DUP on the other side, both tried their best to sink the moderate parties back in the late 90`s early 00`s to the point all when f**k all gets done.

The reality is that SF take a longer view, the SDLP could have put them on the spot and didn't. SF realise that the majority of Nationalists are beyond caring about Stormont or Westminster so for SF it is building towards a UI. Whether they achieve that or not is still in doubt but at least they have a game plan. The reasons the SDLP are where they are are many, but a lack of viable policies and a lazy approach at grassroots level and a disconnected and snooty attitude to the nationalist cause are prime issues for me.

[Applesisapples]

Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?

SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

This is a lazy assessment, the DUP and SF now represent the middle ground whilst holding on to those in their support with more extreme views. The more Unionists and the press demonise SF and their voters the stronger they will become.