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Re: 11th night bonfires
« Reply #300 on: July 16, 2017, 08:07:32 AM »
What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

With all due respect it serves no-one well distracting from the core issue. Emma Pengelly secured her seat , apparently on the back of her fully mobilising the loyalist vote(for obvious reasons) . The implication that Mairtín Ó'Muilleoir should have stepped aside to give Alastair McDonald a free-run, is an unfair assessment in that it would be viewed as a pan-nationalist front and would have mobilised a pan-unionist front. I think the future will involve those parties that favour equality and respect being brave enough to form an alliance. The biggest barrier to that happening is that apparently some in the SDLP have more antagonism towards Sinn Fein, than towards extreme unionism !

That is a mutual antagonism.  SF want to remove SDLP as a political entity and SDLP wants to survive.
The Sdlp were the architects of the peace process and Martin mcguinness delivered Sinn féin. The British government dragged unionism kicking and screaming into the process. But that was 20 years ago. The landscape has changed. An All-Island solution is now inevitable. The big question for the Sdlp is can they once again put a better future for all before party political interests . Are they prepared to drive a equality/respect agenda to challenge the unionist parties, as opposed to the continued antagonism towards sinn féin from some in their party?

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« Reply #301 on: July 16, 2017, 08:20:17 AM »
At what stage did SF decide to put country or even its people before party? The issue for SDLP is to decide who it represents and what they want that gives the party a distinctive characteristic which sets it apart from others. Good article in Saturday's Irish News by Patrick Murphy in which he describes 3 options for SDLP. They can slowly die, rebrand or merge and in two these they disappear. However, in these two they leave a significant number of the electorate, both voting and non-voting supporters, without representation.

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« Reply #302 on: July 16, 2017, 10:07:31 AM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
1 BIG CUP and 1 Cupeen so far....

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« Reply #303 on: July 16, 2017, 10:36:43 AM »
At what stage did SF decide to put country or even its people before party? The issue for SDLP is to decide who it represents and what they want that gives the party a distinctive characteristic which sets it apart from others. Good article in Saturday's Irish News by Patrick Murphy in which he describes 3 options for SDLP. They can slowly die, rebrand or merge and in two these they disappear. However, in these two they leave a significant number of the electorate, both voting and non-voting supporters, without representation.

Sinn Féin are extremely strong on an equality and respect agenda. Look at how strongly they've fought for gay marriage. They campaigned against the obscene gay blood issue and removed it. They have supported traveller rights. They have a very strong anti-racism agenda and are at the forefront against direct provision. They've also made brave decisions which could have alienated a part of their electorate by meeting royalty and attending various British Army remembrance events.

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« Reply #304 on: July 16, 2017, 11:05:51 AM »
At what stage did SF decide to put country or even its people before party? The issue for SDLP is to decide who it represents and what they want that gives the party a distinctive characteristic which sets it apart from others. Good article in Saturday's Irish News by Patrick Murphy in which he describes 3 options for SDLP. They can slowly die, rebrand or merge and in two these they disappear. However, in these two they leave a significant number of the electorate, both voting and non-voting supporters, without representation.

Sinn Féin are extremely strong on an equality and respect agenda. Look at how strongly they've fought for gay marriage. They campaigned against the obscene gay blood issue and removed it. They have supported traveller rights. They have a very strong anti-racism agenda and are at the forefront against direct provision. They've also made brave decisions which could have alienated a part of their electorate by meeting royalty and attending various British Army remembrance events.

They are certainly strong on calling for an equality and respect agenda but the actions are thin on the ground.  Only Martin McGuinness was brave enough to take a stand on meeting royalty, no sign of his successor making much inroads in this area. The first statement from the new SF leader of Derry & Strabane council was that he wouldn't attend such occasions.

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« Reply #305 on: July 16, 2017, 12:16:10 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip
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« Reply #306 on: July 16, 2017, 02:01:38 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

Nonsense, Sinn Féin are democratic socialist, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are neoliberal.

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« Reply #307 on: July 16, 2017, 02:24:34 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

Nonsense, Sinn Féin are democratic socialist, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are neoliberal.
Ff,Labour, FG, SF and the DUP all run the neoliberal agenda
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« Reply #308 on: July 16, 2017, 04:30:42 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

Nonsense, Sinn Féin are democratic socialist, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are neoliberal.
Ff,Labour, FG, SF and the DUP all run the neoliberal agenda

SF are the same as FF and FG; usual Trot bullsh1te.

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« Reply #309 on: July 16, 2017, 04:54:37 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

Nonsense, Sinn Féin are democratic socialist, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are neoliberal.
Ff,Labour, FG, SF and the DUP all run the neoliberal agenda

SF are the same as FF and FG; usual Trot bullsh1te.
Trots would support demand, not debt
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« Reply #310 on: July 16, 2017, 04:58:12 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

Nonsense, Sinn Féin are democratic socialist, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are neoliberal.
Ff,Labour, FG, SF and the DUP all run the neoliberal agenda

SF are the same as FF and FG; usual Trot bullsh1te.
Trots would support demand, not debt

You don't know what you're talking about; pure waffle.

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« Reply #311 on: July 16, 2017, 05:17:34 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

Nonsense, Sinn Féin are democratic socialist, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are neoliberal.
Ff,Labour, FG, SF and the DUP all run the neoliberal agenda

SF are the same as FF and FG; usual Trot bullsh1te.
Trots would support demand, not debt

You don't know what you're talking about; pure waffle.
Justify your argument then in 150 words
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« Reply #312 on: July 16, 2017, 05:32:47 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

Nonsense, Sinn Féin are democratic socialist, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are neoliberal.
Ff,Labour, FG, SF and the DUP all run the neoliberal agenda

SF are the same as FF and FG; usual Trot bullsh1te.
Trots would support demand, not debt

You don't know what you're talking about; pure waffle.
Justify your argument then in 150 words

Why? When it's you coming out with rubbish like SF are the same as FF and FG, SF support debt and Trot politics is about supporting demand (which I can only assume is a malapropism).

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« Reply #313 on: July 16, 2017, 06:37:35 PM »
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip

Nonsense, Sinn Féin are democratic socialist, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are neoliberal.
Ff,Labour, FG, SF and the DUP all run the neoliberal agenda

SF are the same as FF and FG; usual Trot bullsh1te.
Trots would support demand, not debt

You don't know what you're talking about; pure waffle.
Justify your argument then in 150 words

Why? When it's you coming out with rubbish like SF are the same as FF and FG, SF support debt and Trot politics is about supporting demand (which I can only assume is a malapropism).
Demand focus means paying attention to  the interests of people to support things such as payrises, investment in people, public investment in projects, bank regulation  and reducing income inequality. Neoliberalism is the opposite. It focuses on debt and the short term interests of companies.
The SNP is neoliberal. So is SF.
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« Reply #314 on: July 16, 2017, 07:02:41 PM »
On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.