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« Reply #285 on: July 14, 2017, 02:33:51 PM »
Its a complete disgrace, but maybe this is the start of the dampners being put on the bonfire, if this gains any traction.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40607144

It's about time. Thankfully it wasn't as a result of a Grenfell Tower situation. These big bonfires have gone unchallenged for far too long. If you want a big f**k off bonfire go an build it in the middle of nowhere where it doesn't impact anyone (tyres and all that aside). No one is stopping them doing that. But when it encroaches onto public property or private residences such as this and the taxpayer is left to pick up the tab then enough is enough. However godforbid that anyone should speak out about this as you are instantly an oppressor of the Protestant people and denying them their culture, which btw is not culture in any man or womans book. Time is horsesh1t was called out for what it is.

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« Reply #286 on: July 14, 2017, 03:03:06 PM »
Billy was financed by the Jews in Amsterdam. When he beat James, he brought the Jews into Britain. Up until then they were banned. When they got in, they set up the Bank of England.

Is that why loyalists fly the flag of Israel?
Israel is also chosen people, settler colonial, law and order, makey uppy , right wing and "f**k you" which appeals to loyalists.
If the playing field was Burma loyalists would be pro the generals.Re China they would be anti Tibet

Sure didn't they have links with Afrikaaner paramilitaries. They are another odd group of people. I've known a few and to a man they all claim not to be African but South African. Whilst they're correct in the latter, that's their nationality, but it also has a clue to the continent in the name of the country. Try explaining that South Africa is part of Africa to them though :-\.
In the 70s Israel supplied arms to the junta in Argentina that murdered 800 Jews. You couldn't make it up

World politics is full of that. Sure the Americans trained and equipped bin Laden (and I'd say it will take a long long time to get to the bottom of the cesspit behind Daesh).

Going down another road here, but the US pulled out of the Moscow Olympics in protest to Russia invading Afghanistan. The same country they blew the shit out of a few years later. And continue to. Again, you couldn't make it up.

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« Reply #287 on: July 14, 2017, 03:10:35 PM »
Billy was financed by the Jews in Amsterdam. When he beat James, he brought the Jews into Britain. Up until then they were banned. When they got in, they set up the Bank of England.

Is that why loyalists fly the flag of Israel?
Israel is also chosen people, settler colonial, law and order, makey uppy , right wing and "f**k you" which appeals to loyalists.
If the playing field was Burma loyalists would be pro the generals.Re China they would be anti Tibet

Sure didn't they have links with Afrikaaner paramilitaries. They are another odd group of people. I've known a few and to a man they all claim not to be African but South African. Whilst they're correct in the latter, that's their nationality, but it also has a clue to the continent in the name of the country. Try explaining that South Africa is part of Africa to them though :-\.
In the 70s Israel supplied arms to the junta in Argentina that murdered 800 Jews. You couldn't make it up

World politics is full of that. Sure the Americans trained and equipped bin Laden (and I'd say it will take a long long time to get to the bottom of the cesspit behind Daesh).

Going down another road here, but the US pulled out of the Moscow Olympics in protest to Russia invading Afghanistan. The same country they blew the shit out of a few years later. And continue to. Again, you couldn't make it up.

Would this be the same America who blew Iraq to sh1te, hanged its leader and left a huge power vacuum that was only ever going to be filled by a group like Daesh?

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« Reply #288 on: July 14, 2017, 03:27:35 PM »
Its a complete disgrace, but maybe this is the start of the dampners being put on the bonfire, if this gains any traction.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40607144

It's about time. Thankfully it wasn't as a result of a Grenfell Tower situation. These big bonfires have gone unchallenged for far too long. If you want a big f**k off bonfire go an build it in the middle of nowhere where it doesn't impact anyone (tyres and all that aside). No one is stopping them doing that. But when it encroaches onto public property or private residences such as this and the taxpayer is left to pick up the tab then enough is enough. However godforbid that anyone should speak out about this as you are instantly an oppressor of the Protestant people and denying them their culture, which btw is not culture in any man or womans book. Time is horsesh1t was called out for what it is.
Those areas are mostly west of the Bann which is full of Fenians
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« Reply #290 on: July 15, 2017, 02:47:52 PM »
A good article from the editor of the Newsletter:

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/ben-lowry-bonfires-can-be-a-fine-spectacle-but-unionists-should-have-spoken-out-about-the-risks-1-8057649

He's the deputy editor, don't promote the odious little twat any higher above his current station. A posh north Down bigot who wouldn't be seen dead in Sandy Row any other day of the year. Don't be fooled by the faux moderate tone, it is merely an attempt to deflect from the atrocious online poll that rag ran on Thursday (no doubt driven by Lowry) which asked the question: Was Arlene Foster right to condemn the placing of an effigy of Martin McGuinness on an Eleventh Night bonfire?

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« Reply #291 on: July 15, 2017, 03:10:24 PM »
A good article from the editor of the Newsletter:

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/ben-lowry-bonfires-can-be-a-fine-spectacle-but-unionists-should-have-spoken-out-about-the-risks-1-8057649

It's far from a "good article"
It mainly focuses on health and safety.
Politicians seem to be focussing on H&S also, and whereas safety is obviouly a serious issue, it's only part of the problem.
The "culture" of
Orangeism and it's sideshows , is the core problem.
It's pathological , aggressive, and unneighbourly to want to celebrate widely and frequently, the perceived victory of Protestantism over Catholicism/irishness from over 300 years ago. It stinks of domination tied up in sectarianism and anti-Irish racism. It should be unacceptable in any civilised democracy.
I would strongly promote protecting and respecting positive British culture, including Ulster Scots heritage and music, but it's unacceptable to try to Normalise the annual celebrating beating the neighbours , Which is by its very nature negative and aggressive. The civil and religious liberty argument baffles me....is there much evidence that protestants have been prevented from practicing their religion in recent years. Given that Protestantism is Christian , surely the annual hatred associated with the marching season , is in total conflict to those Christian values?
 I watched some of the linfield v Celtic match yesterday and then read a BBC ( state broadcaster) report which minimised the hatred surrounding the fixture. Booing from start to finish, with special emphasis on the likes of Scott Sinclair (black), Johnny Hayes ( Irish) . The reference to Scott Sinclair on the bonfire last week, perhaps reminds us of the problem caused by apologists here. I remember Such references to bananas being beyond the pale 40 years ago in English football , yet the response here to such racism , and indeed the  throwing of buckfast bottles at players , was muted . In fact it was suggested  that such behaviour also occurs in the Manchester derby.
The vast majority of the Protestant/unionist population in the north are appalled by this nonsense but are often afraid to speak out. They continue to vote  for unionist politicians however, as understandably they  value their Britishness and sense of identity.
We need real leaders on both sides , backed by Dublin and London , to challenge this  aggressive summer nonsense once and for all, and both legislate and enforce to try and bring us into line with most civilised societies.
And also spare us the false narrative that it's 50:50. Any similar behaviour on the "Irish side" should be met with equal vigour, but let's be honest most of the nonsense is coming from one direction. Portraying it as "6 of one, half a dozen of the other" is a fallacy . Whilst republicans should quite rightly be expected to reflect on their contribution to conflict and particularly the impact of the IRA campaign on their unionist neighbours, unionists must admit that the annual hatred associated with the marching season is unacceptable, and they must be pro-active in changing all negative aspects of this culture.
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« Reply #292 on: July 15, 2017, 05:50:24 PM »
Great post.
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« Reply #293 on: July 15, 2017, 05:52:22 PM »
Willy Frazier.

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Its entirely expected and acceptable that an effigy of a man who was directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths and torture of hundreds of citizens and the repeated bombing of many towns is placed on a bonfire. I simply wont say this was wrong, it happens all over the world with hate figures. McGuinness was a terrorist godfather, he wasn't just an ordinary Catholic, he was a man of extreme hate who's actions will continue to bring tears to a great many for many more years to come.

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« Reply #294 on: July 15, 2017, 05:55:01 PM »
+1.  As Cardinal O'Fiaich pointed out 99% of the bigotry comes from one section of the community.

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« Reply #295 on: July 15, 2017, 05:58:43 PM »
What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Sure it's grand. Bit of fun. Insurance will cover the damage ???


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« Reply #296 on: July 15, 2017, 07:09:24 PM »
What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

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« Reply #297 on: July 15, 2017, 10:07:01 PM »
What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

With all due respect it serves no-one well distracting from the core issue. Emma Pengelly secured her seat , apparently on the back of her fully mobilising the loyalist vote(for obvious reasons) . The implication that Mairtín Ó'Muilleoir should have stepped aside to give Alastair McDonald a free-run, is an unfair assessment in that it would be viewed as a pan-nationalist front and would have mobilised a pan-unionist front. I think the future will involve those parties that favour equality and respect being brave enough to form an alliance. The biggest barrier to that happening is that apparently some in the SDLP have more antagonism towards Sinn Fein, than towards extreme unionism !
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« Reply #298 on: July 15, 2017, 11:08:50 PM »
What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

With all due respect it serves no-one well distracting from the core issue. Emma Pengelly secured her seat , apparently on the back of her fully mobilising the loyalist vote(for obvious reasons) . The implication that Mairtín Ó'Muilleoir should have stepped aside to give Alastair McDonald a free-run, is an unfair assessment in that it would be viewed as a pan-nationalist front and would have mobilised a pan-unionist front. I think the future will involve those parties that favour equality and respect being brave enough to form an alliance. The biggest barrier to that happening is that apparently some in the SDLP have more antagonism towards Sinn Fein, than towards extreme unionism !

That is a mutual antagonism.  SF want to remove SDLP as a political entity and SDLP wants to survive.

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« Reply #299 on: July 15, 2017, 11:36:48 PM »
The reality is Sinn Fein worried more about their patch and would do anything possible to push the SDLP out and is quite happy to be dealing with the extreme DUP on the other side, both tried their best to sink the moderate parties back in the late 90`s early 00`s to the point all when f**k all gets done.