All Ireland Club Championships 2024

[Hoof Hearted]

Decent watch this in Sligo, some good scores, nearly all from play.

Love watching games like cause as an outsider you don't give a flying who wins.

Well done to coolera stranding, underdogs apparently.

[giveherlong]

Decent watch this in Sligo, some good scores, nearly all from play.

Love watching games like cause as an outsider you don't give a flying who wins.

Well done to coolera stranding, underdogs apparently.

Was a good watch surely. Very enjoyable

[DownFanatic]

Great game yesterday between Coolera and Pearses, especially from halftime onwards. Serious spirit in that Coolera side and tactically they were immense. Especially with the use of their keeper and the role played by their MOTM number 15. Pearses played too deep defensively for too long and failed to get the balance right. The tackling and intensity from both teams was top notch and despite a ropey surface, the game was highly enjoyable.

[Truthsayer]

The state of this:
Munster Intermediate Club Football Championship Final
Full Time
Austin Stacks 7-8(29)
Aherlow  0-2(2)

GAA needs to address what Kerry (and Cavan) are putting forward as Intermediate and Junior teams.
Top 8 in Kerry are senior apparently... a joke.
County like Tyrone is top 16... (not sure about other counties).

[shark]

The state of this:
Munster Intermediate Club Football Championship Final
Full Time
Austin Stacks 7-8(29)
Aherlow  0-2(2)

GAA needs to address what Kerry (and Cavan) are putting forward as Intermediate and Junior teams.
Top 8 in Kerry are senior apparently... a joke.
County like Tyrone is top 16... (not sure about other counties).

Dublin is the winner of 3rd tier. 33rd best team.

[Armagh18]

The state of this:
Munster Intermediate Club Football Championship Final
Full Time
Austin Stacks 7-8(29)
Aherlow  0-2(2)

GAA needs to address what Kerry (and Cavan) are putting forward as Intermediate and Junior teams.
Top 8 in Kerry are senior apparently... a joke.
County like Tyrone is top 16... (not sure about other counties).

The Kerry system is a joke. Most counties are top 16 in senior. Dublin and Cork maybe have even more i think. At least the Cavan model is justified in that you stay junior intil you win it etc

[gallsman]

The Leinster junior champions are the Offaly intermediate champions.

My understanding is that the logic is that with Senior A and Senior B, intermediate is their 3rd tier therefore it's ok for them to compete at junior in the province. They were 8 points up after 20 mins against the Meath champions who are far below the third tier. Craobh Chiarain were the Dublin champions and are like Division 6/7.

Dublin is the winner of 3rd tier. 33rd best team.

4th tier, excluding reserve teams from the bigger clubs. Senior 1, Senior 2 and Intermediate all have 16 teams, so at best they're the 49th best team in the county.

[twohands!!!]

The state of this:
Munster Intermediate Club Football Championship Final
Full Time
Austin Stacks 7-8(29)
Aherlow  0-2(2)

GAA needs to address what Kerry (and Cavan) are putting forward as Intermediate and Junior teams.
Top 8 in Kerry are senior apparently... a joke.
County like Tyrone is top 16... (not sure about other counties).

It's not just a Kerry issue - there are two main reasons for this - Cork call their 1st and 2nd tier football competitions senior and both their 3rd and 4th tier competitions intermediate. The second main reason is the importance and the standard of the intermediate and junior football competitions in Tipperary, Limerick, Clare and Waterford. For pretty much all the teams that play intermediate and junior football in these counties, football is in a clear second place to hurling. For the clubs playing intermediate and junior in these counties football is close enough to being an after-thought. Any club were there is a chance of football being higher priority than hurling is playing senior championship. By comparison the intermediate and junior competitions in Kerry are of massive importance to the clubs playing in them.

Cork putting their 3rd tier team into the Munster Intermediate and their 5th tier into the Munster Junior has a serious affect on the competiveness of the Cork football teams in Munster in the intermediate and junior. If they put the winners of their 2nd into the intermediate and 3rd tier into the junior it would definitely affect Kerry's record in Munster. If Croke Park forced Cork to do this, it would have an immediate significant effect on the competiveness of Munster.
As regards what could be done for the poor quality of the other 4 counties intermediate and junior championship, the counties should really look at reducing the number of teams in their senior tiers some bit. However they are always going to be fighting an uphill battle given the importance placed on hurling over football in these counties.
Tipperary did cut down the number of senior teams last year from 15 to 13 but the clubs in these counties seem more interested in being able to call themeselves senior or intemediate than have a realistic chance in the Munster Intermediate and Junior competitions.

Also Kerry are increasing the number of senior sides in their county championship to 10 from next year. 

Unless Cork are forced to change the tiers they put forward for Munster, the competiveness of the Kerry teams in Munster isn't likely to change much.

Number of clubs in each competition 2024

Senior        Intermediate    Junior Tipperary                    13          11            7 Limerick                      12          12            12 Waterford                    9            7            9 Clare                          12          12            12 Cork                            24          24            43 Kerry                          8            16            16

Strenght of team playing in the Munster Championship

Senior        Intermediate    Junior Tipp                  1                14                25 Limerick            1                  13                25 Waterford          1              10                17 Clare                    1              13                  25 Cork                    1              25                  49 Kerry                  1                9                  25

[gallsman]

Cork have it right. Premier Senior, Senior A, Premier Intermediate, Intermediate A etc. albeit they have to accommodate the sheer number of clubs. The "A" champions don't go into the province. I don't think anyone will be looking to "force" them to do anything of the sort.

I know a few Newcestown boys who did the Senior A double in Cork last year, so playing Premier Senior hurling and football this year. If they'd been in the Munster intermediate, as the second tier champions, they'd have handed out plenty of hockeyings.

[twohands!!!]

Cork have it right. Premier Senior, Senior A, Premier Intermediate, Intermediate A etc. albeit they have to accommodate the sheer number of clubs. The "A" champions don't go into the province. I don't think anyone will be looking to "force" them to do anything of the sort.

I know a few Newcestown boys who did the Senior A double in Cork last year, so playing Premier Senior hurling and football this year. If they'd been in the Munster intermediate, as the second tier champions, they'd have handed out plenty of hockeyings.

Cork can keep their structure in the county - just put forward the winners of their 2nd and 3rd tiers into th Munster . It's not as if the Cork teams that they are putting forward for the intermediate and juniot are having all that much success in Munster.

Personally I think adding a 4th (and possibly 5th) tier to the provincial and All-Ireland series would help make things much more fair. it seems somewhat mad for instance that Waterford has 5 tiers of football levels - Senior/Intemediate/Junior A/Junior B/Junior C while the provincial and All-Irelands only have 3. When you see how big the intermediate and junior competitions are for clubs who do get to take part in them, I think having more tiers at provincial and All-Ireland level is a nobrainer.

[gallsman]

Counties should split their clubs equally between senior, intermediate and junior. Within each grade, it can be further sub divided as required. Top tier of each grade are the provincial representatives. Manage exceptions on a case by case basis. E.g. Kilkenny club football teams. Their senior champions currently play Leinster intermediate, and have no business being there.

There are something like 70 clubs in Kerry. The fact the 9th best team currently play provincial intermediate is madness

[armaghniac]

Cork have it right. Premier Senior, Senior A, Premier Intermediate, Intermediate A etc. albeit they have to accommodate the sheer number of clubs. The "A" champions don't go into the province. I don't think anyone will be looking to "force" them to do anything of the sort.

I know a few Newcestown boys who did the Senior A double in Cork last year, so playing Premier Senior hurling and football this year. If they'd been in the Munster intermediate, as the second tier champions, they'd have handed out plenty of hockeyings.

Cork can keep their structure in the county - just put forward the winners of their 2nd and 3rd tiers into th Munster . It's not as if the Cork teams that they are putting forward for the intermediate and juniot are having all that much success in Munster.

Personally I think adding a 4th (and possibly 5th) tier to the provincial and All-Ireland series would help make things much more fair. it seems somewhat mad for instance that Waterford has 5 tiers of football levels - Senior/Intemediate/Junior A/Junior B/Junior C while the provincial and All-Irelands only have 3. When you see how big the intermediate and junior competitions are for clubs who do get to take part in them, I think having more tiers at provincial and All-Ireland level is a nobrainer.

However, it is complicated by the strength of hurling or otherwise in a county. In a hurling county a club may have a football team but not take it too seriously, hence a lot of Junior Bs etc.

[Wildweasel74]

Kerry long by, taking the piss,they got 64 club teams, 8 Senior? What's in Fermanagh senior championship with just over a 1/3rd the no.of the clubs compared to Kerry.

[gallsman]

They can structure their championship whatever way they want. It's pretending that the first team outside the top 8 is "intermediate" in some way comparable to other counties. Same for junior.

[Truthsayer]

Must be no appetite in Kerry to sort out this anomaly... Sean Kelly has even called it out.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41047505.html