GP's & Hospitals - What is going on

Started by Hereiam, April 23, 2024, 12:51:49 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Tones

I had similar issue about a year later and made up symptoms to see a GP as if I had of mentioned chest pain they wouldn't have seen me, how ridiculous is that.

Applesisapples

Quote from: RedHand88 on April 23, 2024, 03:31:27 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on April 23, 2024, 12:51:49 PMThe school rang my wife yesterday about our 12 yr old son who was saying he didnt feel well and said his chest was sore. Teacher said his heart rate was pretty fast. He hadn't been running about or anything. Long story short he was lifted from school and the wife thought she would call into the GP Surgery in our small town. She said the car park to the surgery was empty (this was around 2pm) and when she went to the reception she could see they waiting room was empty and they told her that there were no free appointments available and to ring this number.

She rang the number and explained what was going on and was told to be at Craigavon for 6pm.
Went up and got a ECG done which showed nothing out of the ordinary and said that it might be best to get a chest xray and sent her over to the A&E department.
My wife said it was crazy, the place was packed with only standing room and she just came home as she would probably be still waiting.

Before COVID you could ring the GP surgery and get an appointment the same day, Why are GP's not back to seeing patients, is everything just been sent to the A&E departments. What are they actually doing?

We are not ones who run every time to the doctors if one of us has have a sniffle and the last time I was we were at a hospital was when our last was born which was 8 years ago.

Surly this can go on like this as staff at the hospitals couldnt work under them conditions.

Sorry for the long post.
 



Few points on this.
No you generally could not see a GP the same day before COVID. Routine appointments were handed out a month in advance. Slots would be reserved for emergency stuff on the day but for the most part, you had to wait a few weeks at least.

In fact, more people are seen "on the day" than ever before. The move to a day to day triage service has ensured that calls can be triaged and redirected to the appropriate person (GP, pharmacist, a&e, etc).
There are more consultations per day now than before COVID, and that's with less staff. To the point where safety concerns have very raised by the BMA.

There are a few reasons why surgeries are ridiculously busy at the minute. A shortage of doctors like I said, but as well as that the amount of people on waiting lists for secondary care is growing, leaving these people essentially going to their GP to treat symptoms whilst they wait for expert assessment. An aging population and increased rates of obesity, T2DM etc also contribute.
This is correct, ad to that the amount of money GP practices receive to provide services has not increased in a long time meaning that all staff wage increases and the normal cost of living increases have been taken out of the GP's pocket so it is becoming harder to retain GP's.

Applesisapples

Quote from: Tones on April 23, 2024, 02:38:10 PMMy friends aunt was up from the South, needed to see a doctor, paid £75 quid to see one in a private clinic in Armagh ran by an ex Tyrones missus, the doctor she saw is the doctor I would see if I ever got an appointment!
That Doctor is in all likelihood taking those shifts because his or her practice can not give them any more shifts. Not the fault of the GP but the system.

bennydorano

Quote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Tones on April 23, 2024, 02:38:10 PMMy friends aunt was up from the South, needed to see a doctor, paid £75 quid to see one in a private clinic in Armagh ran by an ex Tyrones missus, the doctor she saw is the doctor I would see if I ever got an appointment!
That Doctor is in all likelihood taking those shifts because his or her practice can not give them any more shifts. Not the fault of the GP but the system.
I dont think so. Went part time (or just left) NHS to go into the private sector.

Applesisapples

Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2024, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Tones on April 23, 2024, 02:38:10 PMMy friends aunt was up from the South, needed to see a doctor, paid £75 quid to see one in a private clinic in Armagh ran by an ex Tyrones missus, the doctor she saw is the doctor I would see if I ever got an appointment!
That Doctor is in all likelihood taking those shifts because his or her practice can not give them any more shifts. Not the fault of the GP but the system.
I dont think so. Went part time (or just left) NHS to go into the private sector.
[/quote
GP Practices have a limited number of sessions, even if they decided to go part time it would not impact on the number of appointments available at your practice. Most Doctors who leave HSC GP work do so because they can no longer put up with the insane work load.

Tones

Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2024, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Tones on April 23, 2024, 02:38:10 PMMy friends aunt was up from the South, needed to see a doctor, paid £75 quid to see one in a private clinic in Armagh ran by an ex Tyrones missus, the doctor she saw is the doctor I would see if I ever got an appointment!
That Doctor is in all likelihood taking those shifts because his or her practice can not give them any more shifts. Not the fault of the GP but the system.
I dont think so. Went part time (or just left) NHS to go into the private sector.

In a nutshell.

armaghniac

The NHS in the 6 counties is underfunded, and it is not going to improve much. In the 26 counties it is an honest proposition, we'll charge you unless you are in the poorer half of the population. In the 6 counties the proposition is that everything is free, but we won't see you anytime soon. 
MAGA Make Armagh Great Again

Armagh18

Can you blame gp's taking a private job? Handier hours and better £ sure why wouldn't they?

Tones


Puckoon

Quote from: Tones on April 23, 2024, 06:20:15 PMYeah f**k you jack I am OK.

You're putting the blame at the GPs door for taking on a legal practice activity? What moral obligation do they have to get f**ked by a broken system?

Successive Prime Ministers, Health Ministers drove the place into the ground. Some moral obligation to be the last violinist on the Titanic.

Tony Baloney

#25
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 04:55:14 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2024, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Tones on April 23, 2024, 02:38:10 PMMy friends aunt was up from the South, needed to see a doctor, paid £75 quid to see one in a private clinic in Armagh ran by an ex Tyrones missus, the doctor she saw is the doctor I would see if I ever got an appointment!
That Doctor is in all likelihood taking those shifts because his or her practice can not give them any more shifts. Not the fault of the GP but the system.
I dont think so. Went part time (or just left) NHS to go into the private sector.
GP Practices have a limited number of sessions, even if they decided to go part time it would not impact on the number of appointments available at your practice. Most Doctors who leave HSC GP work do so because they can no longer put up with the insane work load.
Insane workload? 9-6 with a few hrs off for paperwork and calls in my local surgery. As you have said the GPs have limited availability which hasn't changed despite the massive uptick in need so how is their workload insane? The biggest complaint the seem to have is that they were being taxed too highly on their pension fund.

Milltown Row2

Are people just more sick? More people and less doctors?

Living longer, as I've said many times is a curse.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

thebigfella

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 23, 2024, 08:25:49 PMAre people just more sick? More people and less doctors?

Living longer, as I've said many times is a curse.

Yeah but why are we all so sick


Milltown Row2

Quote from: thebigfella on April 23, 2024, 08:39:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 23, 2024, 08:25:49 PMAre people just more sick? More people and less doctors?

Living longer, as I've said many times is a curse.

Yeah but why are we all so sick



Cause we've no will power, we over indulge and realise that life's for living

Fixing it is easy, moderate exercise smaller plates, moderate intake of carbs protein fewer drinks and natural sugars.

All that said the fittest man in the world can have a heart attack
The healthiest eating person in the world can get cancer

I've known plenty that aren't with us anymore who were some of the above.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Tony Baloney

Quote from: thebigfella on April 23, 2024, 08:39:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 23, 2024, 08:25:49 PMAre people just more sick? More people and less doctors?

Living longer, as I've said many times is a curse.

Yeah but why are we all so sick


Eating carbs