The far right

Started by seafoid, March 28, 2024, 09:32:00 PM

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Itchy

Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated

Enforce existing laws

Deport people whose claims are denied

Rigorous background checks on new arrivals

Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)





Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?

Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests

Rossfan

And who is funding them.

One of them goes about roaring about protecting children. Yet a Court has banned him from any contact with his children. And he has drug dealing convictions to boot.
Another has a foreign wife who belched on a bank loan.

Reynolds and Barrett who both claim to be leaders of "The National(sic) Party" are standing in the North/West Euro constituency.
I wonder will they get more votes than Jamie Bin Lid 167.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

whitey

Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated

Enforce existing laws

Deport people whose claims are denied

Rigorous background checks on new arrivals

Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)





Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?

Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests

Great

So we're in agreement then. More rigorous checks on incoming applicants are a good thing.

So we don't end up with a shambolic situation like the one highlighted last week where a guy (convicted sex offender) denied asylum in 3 separate countries can get in having destroyed a fake Swedish passport

And he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation



Kidder81

As a rule I wouldn't let anyone from countries like Somalia in, one of the least developed countries in the world and fair to say they have fairly different views to us. Oh and seem to like to carry knives.

Truthsayer

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Quote from: Kidder81 on May 11, 2024, 11:52:25 AMAs a rule I wouldn't let anyone from countries like Somalia in, one of the least developed countries in the world and fair to say they have fairly different views to us. Oh and seem to like to carry knives.
Was going to say bit of subtle racism there but it isn't even subtle.. just throw it out on social media that Somalians 'like to carry knives' - is how the far right works to instil fear and animosity towards migrants. Do u have evidence to support this?

Itchy

Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated

Enforce existing laws

Deport people whose claims are denied

Rigorous background checks on new arrivals

Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)





Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?

Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests

Great

So we're in agreement then. More rigorous checks on incoming applicants are a good thing.

So we don't end up with a shambolic situation like the one highlighted last week where a guy (convicted sex offender) denied asylum in 3 separate countries can get in having destroyed a fake Swedish passport

And he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation




I asked you a question,  you afraid to answer it

whitey

Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 02:31:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated

Enforce existing laws

Deport people whose claims are denied

Rigorous background checks on new arrivals

Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)





Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?

Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests

Great

So we're in agreement then. More rigorous checks on incoming applicants are a good thing.

So we don't end up with a shambolic situation like the one highlighted last week where a guy (convicted sex offender) denied asylum in 3 separate countries can get in having destroyed a fake Swedish passport

And he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation




I asked you a question,  you afraid to answer it

Your "question" makes absolutely no sense and is actually irrelevant as to whether rigorous background checks should be carried out on people seeking international protection (some of whom have no id)

So you're in agreement with me on these rigorous checks......thats fantastic!

If you want to start a separate thread about "legal Irish residents" who have criminal convictions, and what activities, they should and shouldnt be allowed to partake in go right ahead. There are laws already in place and I would think (and hope) they are being fully enforced.  If theyre not....then they should be

Itchy

Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 02:31:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated

Enforce existing laws

Deport people whose claims are denied

Rigorous background checks on new arrivals

Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)





Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?

Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests

Great

So we're in agreement then. More rigorous checks on incoming applicants are a good thing.

So we don't end up with a shambolic situation like the one highlighted last week where a guy (convicted sex offender) denied asylum in 3 separate countries can get in having destroyed a fake Swedish passport

And he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation




I asked you a question,  you afraid to answer it

Your "question" makes absolutely no sense and is actually irrelevant as to whether rigorous background checks should be carried out on people seeking international protection (some of whom have no id)

So you're in agreement with me on these rigorous checks......thats fantastic!

If you want to start a separate thread about "legal Irish residents" who have criminal convictions, and what activities, they should and shouldnt be allowed to partake in go right ahead. There are laws already in place and I would think (and hope) they are being fully enforced.  If theyre not....then they should be

As usual too much of a shite to answer a question. Away with ya

whitey

I seriously don't know what your question is

Are you saying that people (legal Irish Residents) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) shouldn't be allowed (on principal) to lead protests or are you saying that people (legal Irish citizens) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) should be legally prohibited from leading protests?

In some jurisdictions  you can be prohibited by a court of law from associating with "known criminals" as part of a sentencing agreement. If that, or similar processes are in place in Ireland, then I would expect and demand that the Gardai fully enforce it

gallsman

Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMAnd he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation




Not your taxes though.

Pretty common right wing trope there

whitey

Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMAnd he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation




Not your taxes though.

Pretty common right wing trope there

Doesn't make it any less true

PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMAnd he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation




Not your taxes though.

Pretty common right wing trope there

Doesn't make it any less true

your tax dollars spent destabilising most of the countries of the ME and North Africa..

gallsman

Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMAnd he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation




Not your taxes though.

Pretty common right wing trope there

Doesn't make it any less true

All sorts of meaningless things are true.

Itchy

Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 03:33:04 PMI seriously don't know what your question is

Are you saying that people (legal Irish Residents) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) shouldn't be allowed (on principal) to lead protests or are you saying that people (legal Irish citizens) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) should be legally prohibited from leading protests?

In some jurisdictions  you can be prohibited by a court of law from associating with "known criminals" as part of a sentencing agreement. If that, or similar processes are in place in Ireland, then I would expect and demand that the Gardai fully enforce it


Let's start with my 1st Question...


Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone.

Rebel84

Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 03:33:04 PMI seriously don't know what your question is

Are you saying that people (legal Irish Residents) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) shouldn't be allowed (on principal) to lead protests or are you saying that people (legal Irish citizens) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) should be legally prohibited from leading protests?

In some jurisdictions  you can be prohibited by a court of law from associating with "known criminals" as part of a sentencing agreement. If that, or similar processes are in place in Ireland, then I would expect and demand that the Gardai fully enforce it


Let's start with my 1st Question...


Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone.

What war are the Georgians fleeing from?